Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[toranarod]

Pulse capacitor discharge

Wow Rod it sounds like you are really going heavy duty with your generator set up.

I wonder when you had the torque up, if your coil setup could run that way as a rotor booster like slider did on his first video, and then use a "normal" pickup coil as a generator coil to collect power from?

I guess what I am saying is, your new coil setup may work better as a rotor booster coil than a generator coil.

If you could boost your rotor speed and torque with a booster coil or coils, then it really would not really matter if you canceled out Lenz or not, you could just power right through Lenz with the booster coil and produce excess power in normal generator coils.
The way it looks to me anyway.

Thanks for the update.

Steve

Hello Steve220. High voltages is where I want to direct my research.

I am going to move on to some ideas I have wanted to work on for a while

I keep going back to High voltages and discharging caps into coils to produce shock magnetic fields. So this is what my new post will be about.

I am going to start a new thread dedicated to this subject as it has no place here.

I will keep my Romero motor running and tinker any time I get a idea or there is a post about a break through.


Cheers

[ZeropointEnergy]

HV spike on SSG

Hi Penno,
The FanGen does it all the time, but the clear plastic box motor doesn't. Am aiming at seeing exactly what is different on both. Does a Bedini SSG light a neon at rest ? that would answer much.
In fact, however, the FanGen tester motor runs much better if the PC fan driving circuit is disabled, found that out by accident the other day.

The coil is connected as normal, but the neon just sits on the back too, in parallel with the coil wires. I just soldered it there and figured it would show if I was getting 90V and above back out. Being as there is no filament it doesn't bother the DC going in, but reacts to the HV going out

Great idea Rod for splitting the coil work ! Driving one from the other is something I can't wait to hear the results of

Hey Slider,

On a single bifilar coil Bedini SSG you can have the neon light if use run the unit with a heavily sulfated battery or I unhook an output lead
However, when I did experiment with this, the Pot, resistor and neon blew
only lasting 10mins and 1hr for each circuit respectively.
After 2 circuits I stopped investigating this and hooked up an undamaged battery, the primary was collecting 16V in a 12V battery untill I burned out the circuit. (So I assume large HV spikes that caused mutual induction in the pot and these arcs destroyed the potentiometer)

Regards
Zero

[Steve220]

Wow

Wow Rod it sounds like you are really going heavy duty with your generator set up.

I wonder when you had the torque up, if your coil setup could run that way as a rotor booster like slider did on his first video, and then use a "normal" pickup coil as a generator coil to collect power from?

I guess what I am saying is, your new coil setup may work better as a rotor booster coil than a generator coil.

If you could boost your rotor speed and torque with a booster coil or coils, then it really would not really matter if you canceled out Lenz or not, you could just power right through Lenz with the booster coil and produce excess power in normal generator coils.
The way it looks to me anyway.

Thanks for the update.

Steve

[toranarod]

RF

Hello
I experimented with the 7 strand litz wire coil today.

All the coils in the yellow diagram are the one coil of litz wire.

Using the one coil as seen in the diagram. I setup 3 strands as attraction and 4 in repel. Using 2 drive circuits and two hall sensors it was possible to energize the coil as the magnet approached. Then energize the coils as the magnet passed by, pushing the magnets on there way out.

This worked well and produced a lot of torque; it also created a magnetic felid conflict if you allowed the switching from one polarity to another to get to close. There was a drop in current as the two magnetic fields collided. This needs a bit more looking into and I will document it for later.

What I wanted to try was collecting the high voltage from the repulsion 4 strand sides of the circuit, and switch the attraction 3 strand side. Engaging 300 volts from a 1500 400 volt capacitor created a burst of acceleration and an EMF spike so high it collapsed the electrical system. To my surprise it even stopped my wireless net work system and our internet went down while it was running. That really surprised me at first when other members of the family complained about the internet going down I had no idea it was my motor.

At the moment I have very little data to report because the test was very unstable.
It so hard to keep things stable long enough to get watts and current measurements.
Some diodes brunt out and I lost a MOSFET.
The currents at that load is very high . I go back to it tomorrow and make changes to shielding and so on.

[Steve220]

Video

I hope there will be a video showing the coil operating as this is a rather strong claim to make.

Steve

[synchro]

Syncro I challenge you to wind a wire onto a coil form in the shape of a solenoid where the center point of the winding is returned to the center of the coil form and you end up with multiple strands in parallel and in series.

If it was as simple as a single winding it could be wound straight from one spool to the coil form, however that is impossible.

The coils are wound multi stranded "Litz" and then connected in series and parallel. Forget about the terms and just accept it.

The coil is wound with multiple strands, "LITZ" after that point you can play soccer with your's if you want, but it is still a coil of "LITZ" wire.

And it can be connected however people want to connect them. You can live by whatever of you're own rule's you wish.

The terms are used here for the purpose of the mutual understanding of the coil, if the understanding is acheived then the purpose of the term is realised. It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.

Cheers

@FARMHAND,

What do you make of this comment from Bruce TPU?



"Today I have successfully created power on parallel wires!!!!!! Complete success, and EASY. Right there in front of everyone the whole time!

Today, I have taken a coil with wire 56' long, producing .3 watts, and I have amplified that to 1.8 watts using only HALF the strands! LOL

I am going to un wind some length to make it easier to work with!!!!!!

And just like Steven Mark said, connect them in series, and you get more voltage, connect them in parallel and you get more amperage!!!!

Starting coil, 3.5 volts, 100 ma

Four strands wired in series, 14.1 volts, 100 ma YIPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

And next week I will have a discovery just as huge to report!!

We can take a coil, with 200 strands and multiply the power by 200 times!!!!!!! YIPEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!"

Cheers,

He goes on to say he's building a larger Litz coil to run his house, and follows that up with a request for half the overunity prize money! He just reported a gain in watts about 5 messages back. Do you sense perhaps the hint of a recurring pattern of deciet?

[Steve220]

#767

I can see where there could be some confusion in Rods posting.

The wires shown in yellow rectangle, are all on located in just one coil.

The seven parallel strands shown in the yellow rectangle are all run together on one bobbin, but the single strands are conected at the ends as shown in the schematic.

Seven wires out of one end of the coil, seven wires out the other end of the coil, fourteen wires total.
There is only one coil involved.

Steve

[Farmhand]

This coil was not built useing multi strand or LITZ wire!

Syncro I challenge you to wind a wire onto a coil form in the shape of a solenoid where the center point of the winding is returned to the center of the coil form and you end up with multiple strands in parallel and in series.

If it was as simple as a single winding it could be wound straight from one spool to the coil form, however that is impossible.

The coils are wound multi stranded "Litz" and then connected in series and parallel. Forget about the terms and just accept it.

The coil is wound with multiple strands, "LITZ" after that point you can play soccer with your's if you want, but it is still a coil of "LITZ" wire.

And it can be connected however people want to connect them. You can live by whatever of you're own rule's you wish.

The terms are used here for the purpose of the mutual understanding of the coil, if the understanding is acheived then the purpose of the term is realised. It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.

Cheers

[synchro]

I wont read that again, but



Do you understand what TWO WINDINGS Mean? No Matter, if they are in Serie or Parallel connected ??
That means you HAVE 2 Strands. And NO MATTER, If this 2 Strands have the same Size.
Windings mean, You Place Wire OVER or CLOSE to eachother.

They get the Idea, but sorry, You dont.

And not matter, how they Call it, violating Lenz or Ohms Law, its both realated.
Even when you it Magnetic Resistance, not Lenz Law, well he describes it with his Law.
And a Resistance in a Circuit creates allways Back Electro Magnetic Force,
no matter, how you create it, over a Phyiscal Resistance, like a Neon Bulb
and the Wire in there, or with a additional Coil, where the Current runs opposite, or you short it.

That may even would work with a simple Coil with a lot Windings with Thicker Wire on it,
and a smaller Wire inside, or at one End from this Coil.

This coil was not built useing multi strand or LITZ wire! Never are there any two seperate strands in either of these test coils. A single wire attaches to a single wire in series to form a longer single wire that merely folds over on itself. Two seperate wires would constitute a multi strand. There is only one wire end to end in both these test coils of Null Points. Nowhere are there two seperate wires. That's why Ohm's law is permisable. If you twisted a second wire over either of them, it would violate Ohm's law to cross the factors. This is the mistake Bruce TPU made to falsely calculate his coil power. That's why it's an issue.

[toranarod]

Ah well that's cool..the solid state HV thing of an idea makes more sense. I'd agree about high hFE, the D667 is rated at 320 max, nothing brilliant but higher than many others.
What happens with MOSFET's ? as I read it, they don't have hFE ?
Of the IRF630 and IRFz46N tested so far, the 630 is much stronger in terms of oscillations within a multi-strand coil. Both enable the same speed at any voltage running though, same as transistors.

the faster you can switch off the transistor the higher the voltage will be from your back EMF.
This why i like MOSFETS they make better switches. without all that current on the base.

[Xenomorph]

Ah well that's cool..the solid state HV thing of an idea makes more sense. I'd agree about high hFE, the D667 is rated at 320 max, nothing brilliant but higher than many others.
What happens with MOSFET's ? as I read it, they don't have hFE ?
Of the IRF630 and IRFz46N tested so far, the 630 is much stronger in terms of oscillations within a multi-strand coil. Both enable the same speed at any voltage running though, same as transistors.

MOSFETs won't work for feedbacks like that, because the gate is voltage controlled.

Keep it up, nice experiments so far.

[Slider2732]

Ah well that's cool..the solid state HV thing of an idea makes more sense. I'd agree about high hFE, the D667 is rated at 320 max, nothing brilliant but higher than many others.
What happens with MOSFET's ? as I read it, they don't have hFE ?
Of the IRF630 and IRFz46N tested so far, the 630 is much stronger in terms of oscillations within a multi-strand coil. Both enable the same speed at any voltage running though, same as transistors.

[Zooty]

We can get the neon to light w/o the motor spinning on a basic SSG as well as SS SSG of course, which is only slightly different. easy to put in self osculation.

Patrick

Yep i agree here, just increase base resistance and it will light the neon nice and bright stationary. Also, high HFE transistors make this happen easier. The amount of transistors i have blown doing this is not even funny. I'll say it again, i think sliders increase in RPM is due to using the transient spike rather than letting it go back through the coil and neon. The same thing happens in a standard SSG, just not so pronounced but then, the energy from the spike is being passed to a battery with an SSG and not back to the coil pushing the rotor.

[minoly]

We can get the neon to light w/o the motor spinning on a basic SSG as well as SS SSG of course, which is only slightly different. easy to put in self osculation.

Patrick

[Neight]

Hi Penno,
The FanGen does it all the time, but the clear plastic box motor doesn't. Am aiming at seeing exactly what is different on both. Does a Bedini SSG light a neon at rest ? that would answer much.
In fact, however, the FanGen tester motor runs much better if the PC fan driving circuit is disabled, found that out by accident the other day.

The coil is connected as normal, but the neon just sits on the back too, in parallel with the coil wires. I just soldered it there and figured it would show if I was getting 90V and above back out. Being as there is no filament it doesn't bother the DC going in, but reacts to the HV going out

Great idea Rod for splitting the coil work ! Driving one from the other is something I can't wait to hear the results of

the SSG does not light neon when the magnets are not moving past the core. if the rotor is at rest and the magnet is in line with the core, it sits quietly until the magnet is moved away.
helping where i can
N8