Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[blackchisel97]

I agree, if a strand configuration doesn't work, as in your case blackchisel, it may be that you need a different configuration. I'm having much luck with 7 strands, but Romero's drawing was for 5. A 10 wire loony monitor coil has behaved differently than my 2 other 7 strand versions. My rotors are tiny compared to a full Muller build and that has been personally noted.
If a 'ringing' current lock condition exists, then it's harmonic frequencies would be different for the loads and powerings of each machine. Simple non proven theory but thanks Steve220 for putting me on to that thought. In that light, an oscilloscope would prove out much, before during and after powering a coil.

I found two multifilar coils from TV's. One was 7 strands the other 5. 7 strands was only 2m long . I decide to make my own, just enough to test one coil set. Due to the wire avail. I made 6 filar and filled both coils, fitted with ferrite cores and connected strands as described in previous posts. I also hooked up second pair of single strand and doubled FWBR. Now I have both FWBR's in parallel plus 22,000uF across DC. There is more current to the load but slightly less rpm with second bridge connected. I didn't measure anything yet, just visual and scope.
Also, just for fun, I connected small transformer, 12V output paralleled with stator coil and 110V leads out to the bridge. Connecting transformer had no effect on current draw or rpm and I got 95V DC. This reminds me my earlier replication of Bit's Voltaic Amplifier with center tap transformer pulsed on low side.
Back to the bench.


V

[yx630514]

toranarod: very good experiment!
I have been following you and "Slider2732" experiment.

I want to know:
You do not connect the load speed how much?
When connecting load speed is much?

Thank you very much!

[Slider2732]

I agree, if a strand configuration doesn't work, as in your case blackchisel, it may be that you need a different configuration. I'm having much luck with 7 strands, but Romero's drawing was for 5. A 10 wire loony monitor coil has behaved differently than my 2 other 7 strand versions. My rotors are tiny compared to a full Muller build and that has been personally noted.
If a 'ringing' current lock condition exists, then it's harmonic frequencies would be different for the loads and powerings of each machine. Simple non proven theory but thanks Steve220 for putting me on to that thought. In that light, an oscilloscope would prove out much, before during and after powering a coil.

Say Penno, i'll draw a circuit up and probably start a new thread if the solid state neon thing works out. The circuit was built, tried out and doesn't work the same as the known way it does on the FanGen. However, i'm using a U18 Hall sensor and, while Bi-polar switching the same as a DN6851, isn't doing it the same...was just the one I have that isn't fitted to a pulse motor already. The point we look for for best switching, where the Hall is to one side of the next magnet and the coil is right behind the face of a magnet is how the setup sits statically. Such that, the switching placement is spot on all the time. The triggering is coming from the AC line ripple of the powering wall adapter. The circuit is merely a transistor switch, Base to Hall sensor, neon across the back of the coil but with a 104 ceramic cap between 1 leg of the neon and one side of the coil. Both neon legs glow well at 6V.
It should also be noted that a Bedini SSG would likely switch a neon when stationary, but I don't have one. What I mean is, I might just be rediscovering the wheel.
Just took the case fan out of my PC (eek huh) because it was disconnected and found the Hall to be a 4 legged '277 042F' non SMD...now what in the world is one of those ?
The 4 leggers are normally SMD and in the smaller Pentium III processor fans.

By the way N8 - great to hear you got some valuable components from the TV. It's the best feeling when you casually wonder about the prices of parts for an experimental but free to build machine and work out $30 or something

[toranarod]

A nice little write up posted by Nul Points at OU. Like I have said, there are many interesting things to be said about playing with strands...

http://home.comcast.net/~onichelson/VOLTGN.pdf

I have completed winding a 4" by 3/4" diameter coil, using Romero's 7 strands and I wound the coil directly onto the ferrite. This increases your wattage gain considerably.

Over the next several days, I will begin to test it. It is 15.3 ohms, and 116 mH.

Cheers,

Bruce

Here is something for stands.

looks a bit of a mess. it has given the best figures so far.
I only need a few more watts to go 1:1 ratio.

I like litz wire because it is versatile for research

[blackchisel97]

I'm still trying to replicate the original setup. I read (for the first time) through 250+ pages on OU and took notes of every post by the Romero. I found strange that multistrand purpose (being used in bifilar fashion) didn't surface for so long. Anyway, I wound couple more coils to replace my existing one's. I have 1 set of gen single strand #26, full bobbins and 1 set of multistrand in bifilar, full bobbins as well.
It was late when I took measurements but they should be correct.
I have FWBR doubled with 1N4001, 22,000uF across and I used 12V/5W load. Just a basic setup, no shorting, no other caps connected with coil. Input 12V DC .
Measurements taken from one coil set:

No load
AC scoped at FWBR 25.8V
Input draw 0.19A
rpm 3350

With load
AC scoped at FWBR 11.8V
Input draw 0.29A
rpm 2560
load current 0.19A
Coil set L = 2mH, 1.7 Ohm

Multistrand in bifilar configuration didn't give better performance, actually, AC was less then single strand.
I can see the effect of core magnet on the output and rpm. I'm going to put two more coils (1 set) and try to tune. After that I'll connect both FWBR's together and measure again. Is there something I don't understand and should?

Thanks
V

[penno64]

Hi Slider,

You're right into it eh!

Circuit please. Hand drawn and take a pic is ok.

Penno

p.s. I have spent a couple of spare hours I had today, trying to recreate your
lighting the neon. No luck so far. But you say you place the neon directly
across the coil. Is this correct ?

p.p.s I've noticed Romerouk has been lurking. Careful now.

[Slider2732]

Unless of course a badger can run around on a Muller rotor forever and give us OU in a lot simpler way

Been sidetracked over here with HV and generating coils, It's related, but not, at the same time (more along the lines of a solid state Muller).
At the moment am building a solid state HV generator...though it's not quite solid state, the magnet vibrates from wall adapter 50/60Hz. If the Hall sensor isn't in the equation it doesn't work, if a magnet is positioned just right on the front of a coil it does work, via that vibrating mains Hz leaking through (even with a FWBR and cap to smooth the wall adapter being always in place).
A 104 little ceramic cap is working superbly for a smooth AC voltage such that both legs on a neon light from 6V input.
Presumably it's not a new thing though and is it just a reversal of a standard transformer ?...what is it ?

[Bruce_TPU]

A nice little write up posted by Nul Points at OU. Like I have said, there are many interesting things to be said about playing with strands...

http://home.comcast.net/~onichelson/VOLTGN.pdf

I have completed winding a 4" by 3/4" diameter coil, using Romero's 7 strands and I wound the coil directly onto the ferrite. This increases your wattage gain considerably.

Over the next several days, I will begin to test it. It is 15.3 ohms, and 116 mH.

Cheers,

Bruce

[Bruce_TPU]

I agree totally! I will "ignore" any further badgering.

[Neight]

Good question. No it wasn't...the core ferrite sits about 2mm forward of the magnet and ends just at the end of the coil. It's thought that the small distance away from ever touching the core assists flux within the core. Unproven though, but would further explain Romero's washers.

Here's a quick vid taken just now. I was experimenting with the FanGen and noted something highly unusual - AC carries on with a large skin effect past a FWBR.
Tesla tower experiments will see the wireless field extend right back through any circuit and up to the wall if a wall adapter is used. But, how about AC when it should be rectified ?
The demo shows that effect and points to more AC being available than 1 FWBR extracts...it's not a clean job that they do.
Large caps (such as the 40000uF in the Muller) dampen the HV and the effect isn't seen, but without caps, it seems clear that all is not becoming DC.
(In the vid I say that you were wondering about the solar circuit, but I intended to say you were wondering about the coils and the picture showed the solar circuit).

YouTube - ‪HV carries on through a FWBR !‬‏

[Bruce_TPU]

Bruce,

I have hundreds of builds. Check out my youtube site Zebok3. You claim you can gain power by attaching rewired Litz to a bridge rectifier, some wires in series and others in paralell. You need a flux transformer to match the voltages.

You get what's called a virtual short when you hook wires up your way, not overunity. How come you haven't sent your overunity coil to Stephan yet? All you did was drop the project and take a holiday to Coral Castle.

You're nothing but a big phony, trying to pass yourself off as a super futuristic inventer with secret knowledge.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP BRUCE!

LOL Whatever makes you feel good. And actually, my holiday was to the Bahamas, Coral Castle was just a side trip. Nothing dropped. Family first!

[synchro]

Bruce's OU Claims.

Bruce,

I have hundreds of builds. Check out my youtube site Zebok3. You claim you can gain power by attaching rewired Litz to a bridge rectifier, some wires in series and others in paralell. You need a flux transformer to match the voltages.

You get what's called a virtual short when you hook wires up your way, not overunity. How come you haven't sent your overunity coil to Stephan yet? All you did was drop the project and take a holiday to Coral Castle.

You're nothing but a big phony, trying to pass yourself off as a super futuristic inventer with secret knowledge.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP BRUCE!

[Steve220]

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Here's a quick vid taken just now. I was experimenting with the FanGen and noted something highly unusual - AC carries on with a large skin effect past a FWBR..

Hi Slider,
May be this is why R UK used extra diodes across his FWBR.
He said it worked better this way.
Normally this is not done, but R UK did.
You may have found something important.
May be there are harmonics within the coil that generate a high frequency current along with the normal current.

Great work.

I made a coil with four strands @ 200 ft each coil 26 Ga shorted back through the coil, using iron wire for a core, but I don't have all the right parts yet, so no progress here.

I went to a recycle company to find some old CRT monitors, but they just take them in, break them up and then sell the copper wire to a refiner for melt down recycle.
So I am still looking for old monitors. Seems scrap metal prices are high now so not as many laying around as there used to be.

Steve

[Slider2732]

Thanks, hopefully this applies to the Muller too, in that more power can be extracted....I don't know enough.

It could be noted that RFI is very present too. The LED's of the solar circuit shown above and in the video respond when the FanGen is running. The lights speed up and do all sorts of weird things when close to a 27000uF 15V large capacitor that I now have in the output circuit !
The capacitor is many inches away from the magnets of the rotor, which was initially thought to be causing the effects.

[Bruce_TPU]

Good question. No it wasn't...the core ferrite sits about 2mm forward of the magnet and ends just at the end of the coil. It's thought that the small distance away from ever touching the core assists flux within the core. Unproven though, but would further explain Romero's washers.

Here's a quick vid taken just now. I was experimenting with the FanGen and noted something highly unusual - AC carries on with a large skin effect past a FWBR.
Tesla tower experiments will see the wireless field extend right back through any circuit and up to the wall if a wall adapter is used. But, how about AC when it should be rectified ?
The demo shows that effect and points to more AC being available than 1 FWBR extracts...it's not a clean job that they do.
Large caps (such as the 40000uF in the Muller) dampen the HV and the effect isn't seen, but without caps, it seems clear that all is not becoming DC.
(In the vid I say that you were wondering about the solar circuit, but I intended to say you were wondering about the coils and the picture showed the solar circuit).

YouTube - ‪HV carries on through a FWBR !‬‏

Hi Slider,

As a friend of mine shared with me some time ago, you need a "PI Circuit" on the end. This should pick up and change the rest of the HF AC into DC.

Cheers,

Bruce