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[ibpointless2]

Ibpointless2,
I have already done that, in fact it had nothing until you add water.But that was not what I was asking, I was asking if you could see the bubbles. I understand about the big cell because we have that too. It is easy to run a digital clock (Cmoss) but that does not show the importance of the current to run circuits that needs it. I do understand what your looking for but for all that matters you could do the same thing with wheel bearing grease. My question is why that, and not because it repels water, because you need it to make voltage and current. and the mixture does contain water so you really can't get around that, it's not dry. The cell without water runs Cmos solid state easy without current, but it wont run discreet solid state circuits of any current. I might be missing something here in what your trying to say . Why am I wasting my time trying to figure out "The Hydrates" if it is that easy, I would just go to the store and buy the shelf of Vaseline and run my house. You might be happy running your clock but I'm not, I want to run real circuits with real cells that run for a very long time. So I don't know what I'm missing here? Better yet what is the discovery with this type of cell? And I did your experiments and did notice I did not have anything but Micro Volts until I added the water, yes the potential is seen and that is all. The cell I put together with the copper tube is real dry and it has nothing but Pico Volts. So please what am I missing here?
John B

If you only got microvolts than you did not do the experiment correctly. The water is only needed to dissolve the two salts, apply this to paper and allow to dry. This is how my glue cell works, mix Elmer's Glue all with Salt substitute and Epsom salt, the glue contains water and that's important. Once the salts are combined you can allow it to dry and it will never need water again to get voltage.

Vaseline is not key to the working of the cell, i don't need it. I only use it because it protect the metals of the cell from corrosion.


I'm not worried about powering TTL or CMOS chips, I know that even though the cells i make give 1.4 volts with only 10uA of current. I'm not thinking of these cells as batteries anymore but instead as a component. Sure I could make hundreds of these cells to light a LED or I could make a few and put them in a circuit to help boost the power of the circuit. I could use a capacitor at one end that runs a LED through a pulse circuit that also charges another capacitor at the other end that is in parallel with the crystal cells. The cell will supply the energy loss through the circuit and even more to give you more power than what you started with.


Creating a cell that doesn't need water to keep it alive is the great discovery, why? because the books say you can't. Water corrodes the metal and Galvanic theory is based on the fact the metals corrode when exposed to water and gives off a electron but if my cell don't use water than it shows that water is not needed to get power. The very reason why metals corrode is due to water. Galvanic's have never been the reason why metals corrode, just water is the reason. If you use water in your cell yes it will give you more power but at a cost. the magnesium will corrode. it doesn't matter if the magnesium is 120% magnesium it will still corrode. Using a big block of magnesium will take longer to corrode. And if the metals corrode than we have nothing more than a AA battery. I want to build cells that are not AA batteries and if they only give me a few micro amps now it won't mean i'll have the same thing in the future.

[redrichie]

@lid
stubblefield patent describes a make and break system. Seems you just showed that in one of your last videos. The cell running a pulse motor.

[John_Bedini]

What am I missing

Ibpointless2,
I have already done that, in fact it had nothing until you add water.But that was not what I was asking, I was asking if you could see the bubbles. I understand about the big cell because we have that too. It is easy to run a digital clock (Cmoss) but that does not show the importance of the current to run circuits that needs it. I do understand what your looking for but for all that matters you could do the same thing with wheel bearing grease. My question is why that, and not because it repels water, because you need it to make voltage and current. and the mixture does contain water so you really can't get around that, it's not dry. The cell without water runs Cmos solid state easy without current, but it wont run discreet solid state circuits of any current. I might be missing something here in what your trying to say . Why am I wasting my time trying to figure out "The Hydrates" if it is that easy, I would just go to the store and buy the shelf of Vaseline and run my house. You might be happy running your clock but I'm not, I want to run real circuits with real cells that run for a very long time. So I don't know what I'm missing here? Better yet what is the discovery with this type of cell? And I did your experiments and did notice I did not have anything but Micro Volts until I added the water, yes the potential is seen and that is all. The cell I put together with the copper tube is real dry and it has nothing but Pico Volts. So please what am I missing here?
John B

[ibpointless2]

Ibpointless2,
The water is already in the salts epically the Epsom Salts 7 to be exact,
just pointing this out to you. So yes you heat it the water is present until the Epsom Salts can not produce any more. A better way to look at this is, the mixture is agents the electrodes surrounded by the jelly.

The next question is, does the mixture ever dry out or does it get warm and melt?
Can you poke around and see if you have water chambers in the jelly because the Epsom Salts will release water?

Better yet just take cooking oil, or mineral oil and add your mix to it see what happens, should be easy to do so you can see if bubbles form.

John B

Just because a cell contains Epsom salt does not mean it uses the water in the Epsom salt to give it voltage, if that was the case than we could just stick our electrodes in a cup of Epsom salt and get voltage but it doesn't work that way.

John I knew this mixture would work because I've made hundreds just like it. I take petroleum jelly and i sprinkle some Epsom salt and salt substitute on top of it. The Jelly will turn into a hot liquid which heats the Epsom salt than the Epsom salt release its water. The Epsom salt and salt substitute combine into the water to form a new salt. This combining of Epsom salt and salt substitute in water to form a new salt is key, once combined, water is never needed again. This new salt allows for ion exchange without water needed and thus we get power. As for the jelly it is water repelling and the new salt falls into it so what we get is a conductive protective jelly. The very nature of petroleum jelly is to protect metal from water or even you skin from water. I have made dry cells that use paper that had salt sub and epsom salt put onto it with water and allowed to dry. It doesn't matter if you let the cell dry for a day or a year you'll get voltage from the dry cell with no water needed. I have a 5 foot tall dry cell that powers my LCD clock for me for months now, no water needs to be added and the cell was allowed to dry for days before the magnesium ribbon was put on it.

John take some paper and get it wet, rub some salt substitute and Epsom salt on to the wet paper. Allow to dry. Once dry place electrodes on top of the dry paper and notice you'll get voltage and no water was needed.

[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

Higher amp output with cycling

The real trick here is to see if your cells output more with time. If you add little water, let it dry out and repeating this process it will grow the crystal structure of the cell and eventually if not automaticaly gives you higher each time. This is the only thing you can do to see if you have the right mixture imho..Both Johns are the winners and the only thing we can do for now is to replicate closely and build big, very big next!

[John_Bedini]

Water is already in the salts

John it only builds up gas when water is present, since Petroleum jelly is water repelling no gases form.

I consider having a voltage of 1.4 a great achievement when you consider that I use no water to get it. I know its little to no current now, but you must keep in mind that I build "test" cells that use small electrodes that will for sure give little to no amps. I do have some hope for this cell because when it was hot i was getting over 4mA, this cell is a great heat activated cell.

Ibpointless2,
The water is already in the salts epically the Epsom Salts 7 to be exact,
just pointing this out to you. So yes you heat it the water is present until the Epsom Salts can not produce any more. A better way to look at this is, the mixture is agents the electrodes surrounded by the jelly.

The next question is, does the mixture ever dry out or does it get warm and melt?
Can you poke around and see if you have water chambers in the jelly because the Epsom Salts will release water?

Better yet just take cooking oil, or mineral oil and add your mix to it see what happens, should be easy to do so you can see if bubbles form.

John B

[ibpointless2]

Ibpointless2,
Have you considered that the gases will build up on the electrodes and cause a non conducting junction. Yes it may show potential but you will have no current. The honey if you would have burnt it to form carbon would have worked far better as an electrode, the trick would have been to coat the copper wire with the sticky carbon. The magnesium you cant do anything with except to use chemicals that will not attack it.
Just and opinion here.
John B

John it only builds up gas when water is present, since Petroleum jelly is water repelling no gases form.

I consider having a voltage of 1.4 a great achievement when you consider that I use no water to get it. I know its little to no current now, but you must keep in mind that I build "test" cells that use small electrodes that will for sure give little to no amps. I do have some hope for this cell because when it was hot i was getting over 4mA, this cell is a great heat activated cell.

[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

Using soft iron with the copper (Without magnesium)

Hi, I found out that with magnesium the results were limited to a point and I decided searching for other materials for the negative. I grabbed a part of soft iron and placed it with copper in water. There was over 1.2 volts in potential difference! With the magnesium, it was not over 1.1 volts and was very slow to climb to this voltage but with soft iron, in no time at all! I just have Rochelle salt and alum for the moment and I can tell you that rochelle salt rocks!!! The coating on the copper seems to expend and there is a dark coating thats forms on the iron too. I have a couples of these cells in series and it puts out a constant amperage. No drop at all! I don't think that the iron will corode because there was no apparent corrosion on the magnesium since the beginning of these experiments a long time ago (couple weeks, loll). I think hutchison cells were made that way too (iron-steel/copper).

[John_Bedini]

petroleum jelly

Ibpointless2,
Have you considered that the gases will build up on the electrodes and cause a non conducting junction. Yes it may show potential but you will have no current. The honey if you would have burnt it to form carbon would have worked far better as an electrode, the trick would have been to coat the copper wire with the sticky carbon. The magnesium you cant do anything with except to use chemicals that will not attack it.
Just and opinion here.
John B

[jehdds]

Interesting thing about corals on the importance of ratios of constituent materials in the environment and what the corals do and what is made
Corals switch skeleton material as seawater changes
Aragonite: Aragonite mineral information and data.
Jim

[Lidmotor]

Stubblefield and Leedskalnin

By any chance did Nathan stubblefield figure out a crystal battery using iron wire and copper wire and a crystal electrolyte? The surface area of that much dissimilar metal in a very large coil would be tremendous. The wires were wrapped in cloth that could easily soak up the hydrates and dry to a crystal. Put in the ground and let the earth flow through the now tapped crystals might be interesting.

@ Redrichie & Phinine

It is odd that you would mention this because I have been doing experiments with sea coral and carbon and think that perhaps Ed Leedskalnin may have discovered a crystal cell by accident. Stubblefield may have also made one with his burried coil and not known what he was doing.

@IB

I use petroleum jelly on my boat on all the electrical connections to keep the corrosion off. This looks like another cell that I should try.

Lidmotor

[phinine]

By any chance did Nathan stubblefield figure out a crystal battery using iron wire and copper wire and a crystal electrolyte? The surface area of that much dissimilar metal in a very large coil would be tremendous. The wires were wrapped in cloth that could easily soak up the hydrates and dry to a crystal. Put in the ground and let the earth flow through the now tapped crystals might be interesting.

There are always these mysteries with certain people like tesla, Stubblefield, leedskin with what exactly they discovered? The concept of a design with a mix of a Stubblefield and crystal cell that would sit in ground would be interesting. Nature would naturally hydrate it in the soil and you would make make some kind of shell like a rock to protect it but allows moisture to penetrate

[ibpointless2]

I got a cell working with Petroleum jelly, salt substitute, and Epsom salt. The great thing about petroleum jelly is that it is corrosion resistant, and also repels water. I figure it could help to protect the cells electrodes. Jelly Crystal Cell - YouTube


Petroleum jelly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
" petroleum jelly is a non-polar hydrocarbon hydrophobic (water-repelling) and insoluble in water,"
"It can be used to coat corrosion-prone items such as metallic trinkets, non-stainless steel blades, and gun barrels prior to storage as it serves as an excellent and inexpensive water repellent. "

I'm figuring that since petroleum jelly is water repelling it could be used somehow combined with the crystals to form water repelling channels that help protect the metal. So if one wants to add water they won't have to worry since the petroleum jelly will keep the water focused on the salts and not on the metals and thus no corrosion,.I could place these cells in cylinders and apply pressure and water according to get more amps. When the cell was heated i was getting over 4mA, so i figure i could get that when i add drops of water to the cell but I don't need to worry about the metals as they're protected by the jelly.

[redrichie]

By any chance did Nathan stubblefield figure out a crystal battery using iron wire and copper wire and a crystal electrolyte? The surface area of that much dissimilar metal in a very large coil would be tremendous. The wires were wrapped in cloth that could easily soak up the hydrates and dry to a crystal. Put in the ground and let the earth flow through the now tapped crystals might be interesting.

[Lidmotor]

Hydrate Crystal Cell --update

@ John, Chuck & All

I have been testing the Hydrate Crystal Cells that I made and they are working like I had hoped. Here is a short video showing them doing work.

Bedini Hydrate Crystal cell ----working with solar cell. - YouTube


Lidmotor