Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[toranarod]

Hi Rod

Thanks for the nice words, I will do anything I could to push these developments forward.

To date I only see coil shorting the best possible method to extract energy from such a system. How is your work going on?

As I found out the longer the coil, the better the lenz delay performance.
I will quote Tesla Again, Tesla used this method to phase delay the current in his two phase motors, and make them work as expected:



I see this design closely resemble Watsons coils, really long coils. Maybe long cone type cores will be even better.

Yes the Watson coils. As soon as i heard the coil length was the way to wind
a better coil for lower resistance and higher inductance. it seemed so clear.
I didn't see that coming. Happy to get more good results.
The funny thing I was getting better results with my long coils to.
But I thought i should get better results with the fatter rounder type.
When I couldn't i was looking for other causes, should always try to see the obvious. sometimes the simplest answer is the right one.
great work guys
things are really falling into place



its time to start think about putting all that everybody has contributed together.
if we put ever refinement into one design. It might just go OU
I have documented every thing we have learned. is time to write a PDF file?

[elias]

Great results
once again its pointing to the Muller design

this is a good set of test. Thank you. you have just saved other a lot of work
we ow you some compensation I think.

Hi Rod

Thanks for the nice words, I will do anything I could to push these developments forward.

To date I only see coil shorting the best possible method to extract energy from such a system. How is your work going on?

As I found out the longer the coil, the better the lenz delay performance.
I will quote Tesla Again, Tesla used this method to phase delay the current in his two phase motors, and make them work as expected:

The coils which are included in that energizing circuit which is to have the higher self-induction are made of coarse wire, or a conductor of relatively low resistance, and with the greatest possible length or number of turns.

Mr. Tesla employs in the self-induction circuit cores much longer than those in the other or resistance circuit.

I see this design closely resemble Watsons coils, really long coils. Maybe long cone type cores will be even better.

[toranarod]

The part where he inserts the Iron core is important as it shows that Iron itself induces delay to the magnetic field, And that is what we actually need to exploit. A cap cannot be used to further the delay of the current. I think that we should consider 90 degrees of phase shift as an optimum which causes coil neutrality. The phase shift of the core material added to the 80 degrees of phase shift for example will decide that the rotor will accelerate or not.

@Rod
Thanks for your new experiments!
Please also tell us how your rotor behaves without the coil near your rotor.
I think that long coils are better for delaying lenz, as Tesla quoted above also did suggest that.

I have made five coils for testing purposes:




coil #1: This coil is about 400 turns of 0.7 wire on 16mm laminates:


coil #2: This one is about 700 turns of 0.7 wire on a 10mm ferrite core. This yielded the best performance in delaying Lenz.


coil #3: This one is about 700 turns of 0.7 wire, but unlike the previous case it is fatter instead of being longer, this one really dragged the rotor while shorting.


coil #4: This one is about 150 turns of 2mm wire, this one also behaved nicely under short but not as good coil #2, but also had better current capability.


coil #5: This one is two coils one wound above the other, the both have same amount of turns, and interestingly the second one which was wound above the other, dragged the rotor much more under short, because of the more resistance it had.


Elias

Great results
once again its pointing to the Muller design

this is a good set of test. Thank you. you have just saved other a lot of work
we should get you some compensation I think.

[MonsieurM]

Rod, have you ever tried these type of coils (not refering to the set up) especially Felix Ehrenhaft coil



compare with




Felix Ehrenhaft: Magnetic Current --- 9 articles

[elias]

Phase angle difference - YouTube

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ - Does this video get you thinking about how we can control the phase shift under variable loads?


Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this proof that we can control, to some extent, the timing of current flow in the pickup coil thus the timing of lenz? That would be great information if my understanding is correct!

The part where he inserts the Iron core is important as it shows that Iron itself induces delay to the magnetic field, And that is what we actually need to exploit. A cap cannot be used to further the delay of the current. I think that we should consider 90 degrees of phase shift as an optimum which causes coil neutrality. The phase shift of the core material added to the 80 degrees of phase shift for example will decide that the rotor will accelerate or not.

@Rod
Thanks for your new experiments!
Please also tell us how your rotor behaves without the coil near your rotor.
I think that long coils are better for delaying lenz, as Tesla quoted above also did suggest that.

I have made five coils for testing purposes:

coil #1: This coil is about 400 turns of 0.7 wire on 16mm laminates:


coil #2: This one is about 700 turns of 0.7 wire on a 10mm ferrite core. This yielded the best performance in delaying Lenz.


coil #3: This one is about 700 turns of 0.7 wire, but unlike the previous case it is fatter instead of being longer, this one really dragged the rotor while shorting.


coil #4: This one is about 150 turns of 2mm wire, this one also behaved nicely under short but not as good coil #2, but also had better current capability.


coil #5: This one is two coils one wound above the other, the both have same amount of turns, and interestingly the second one which was wound above the other, dragged the rotor much more under short, because of the more resistance it had.


Elias

[elias]

Im sorry I'll not derail this thread, take a look at http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...-crystals.html, its a long read but you will see how I came to this conclusion with help from MonsieurM.
Please take a look
Dave

Truth emanates from that thread.

[toranarod]

That is beautiful!

I have acceleration under dead short circuit condition. one coil at a time.
I have not tried all coils simultaneously. that will be the tester.
I will do a video and post up on you tube. this thing really hammers out the RPM

[Dave45]

Im sorry I'll not derail this thread, take a look at http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...-crystals.html, its a long read but you will see how I came to this conclusion with help from MonsieurM.
Please take a look
Dave

[Dave45]

Well Dave I am speechless, so what you are saying is all this work in electromagnetic's is for nothing? I am not disagreeing with you just not convinced to give up my current line of research based on evidence I have to the contrary. How do you suggest we exploit this vector field?

There are many ways Don Smith was doing it, I dont blame you for not giving up, you are a serious researcher Iv followed your work for a long time, but just give the models I posted a serious look, look into Don's devices think about how the electric field is coupling with the magnetic field, please take a good look, someone with your knowledge and experience could do it, it can be done with just one coil.
Dave

[toranarod]

The magnetic field is a neutral field thats why it passes through everything, its only when it is coupled by the vector field (electrical field) that it has charge, when a magnet moves past a coil it creates a magnetic field in the coil(induction) this also creates a vector field around the coil, when it passes past the coil the vector field callapeses into the coil(bemf)
A magnet motor is not the way to free energy you need to collect the vector field before it couples with the magnetic field.
If you can understand this you will find unlimited energy, this is the way a galaxy works, this is the way our planet works.
This is very very important please please look and understand.

Well Dave I am speechless, so what you are saying is all this work in electromagnetic's is for nothing? I am not disagreeing with you just not convinced to give up my current line of research based on evidence I have to the contrary. How do you suggest we exploit this vector field?

[Dave45]

it sounds like those little thingies are really spinning....

The magnetic field is a neutral field thats why it passes through everything, its only when it is coupled by the vector field (electrical field) that it has charge, when a magnet moves past a coil it creates a magnetic field in the coil(induction) this also creates a vector field around the coil, when it passes past the coil the vector field callapeses into the coil(bemf)
A magnet motor is not the way to free energy you need to collect the vector field before it couples with the magnetic field.
If you can understand this you will find unlimited energy, this is the way a galaxy works, this is the way our planet works.
This is very very important please please look and understand.

[Shadesz]

just the wiring to do

all coils in place

That is beautiful!

[Rubberband]

wow

Good grief people wake up

The magnetic field is a neutral field until it is coupled by the electric field.

it sounds like those little thingies are really spinning....

[Dave45]

Where do electrons come from


Good grief people wake up

The magnetic field is a neutral field until it is coupled by the electric field.

[Rubberband]

Where electrons come from...

for me elias?
every electron that flows out of a generator where does it come from?

I believe we are taught a misconception about energy right from the word go.

As i see it. we move the electrons from a peace of copper wire by pushing them out with a magnetic field. the magnetic field does not make electricity
it just moves the electron in the out shell of the atom from one atom to the next. the Atom then stabilizes its self by replacing the electron.
My big question? Where does the new electron come from?
all they will tell you at university is it come from the adjacent atom.
So where did that one get its electron from and so on. If one coil of copper wire in a generator can supply all the power for a city where is the power coming from?
Its this concept I have driving me for the last 20 years in this world of unlimited power.

In my mind the magnetic field is only a pump. just as a fuel pump in a cars fuel tank is only the pump. you still need there to be fuel in the tank.
that's how is see the electrons in the copper wire.

I was taught they come from an energized source, if it's not a battery, then it is from the materials being energized. That's why not all materials make a good conductor. With all the atoms in constant movement in copper, which is an unstable element and why it will corrode is because of this instability. These electrons aren't used up, they are recycled. Your "source" is the tank, electrons can not move unless there is a " hole" for them to move to in their path, from the negitive to a more positive source, it's using their energy by a moderated load that allows us to create force without burning out the path and cause a hole (or many holes) in the concuctor for the electrons to jump in....