Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[toranarod]

just the wiring to do

all coils in place

[toranarod]

@everyone

The more I think about this phase shift, the more I understand that it is real. I have an MS in computer architecture, and have studied all of this stuff in the university, They seemed to call this apparent or reactive power, and not real power, but it is real, that was a misconception. It is generated from the vacuum, that is why they did not understand it. They model it like it being stored in the inductor and then released to the load. Because the voltage will be developed in the load, after the current is released to it. But that voltage is about 90 degrees out of phase from the voltage of the source supply, thus the source does not provide that power directly, it is provided by the inductor from the vacuum, as I see it.

The inductor induces back emf to the applied voltage and then releases the current to the load with a 90 degree lag so that the source doesn't see it. The voltage of the load will be delayed too, and it will be out of phase with the source.

As I think that reality works in symbols and behaves in strange ways such as I posted my understanding about Iron = Fe = Free Energy.

Now take this one:


The digaram above shows the applied voltage to the coil, and its delayed counterpart voltage (E_si) which is 180 degrees in lag to the applied voltage (E_a).

That is the infinity symbol isn't it! And the current is generated between it! I take that as a confirmation. Thank you universe!

Elias

for me elias?
every electron that flows out of a generator where does it come from?

I believe we are taught a misconception about energy right from the word go.

As i see it. we move the electrons from a piece of copper wire by pushing them out with a magnetic field. the magnetic field does not make electricity
it just moves the electron in the out shell of the atom from one atom to the next. the Atom then stabilizes its self by replacing the electron.
My big question? Where does the new electron come from?
all they will tell you at university is it come from the adjacent atom.
So where did that one get its electron from and so on. If one coil of copper wire in a generator can supply all the power for a city where is the power coming from?
Its this concept I have driving me for the last 20 years in this world of unlimited power.

In my mind the magnetic field is only a pump. just as a fuel pump in a cars fuel tank is only the pump. you still need there to be fuel in the tank.
that's how is see the electrons in the copper wire.

[qvision]

Yes i did the baseline cases over here (i am DeepCut) :

DELAYING LENZ LAW ...

It shows what one would expect as far as the core is concerned, it adds drag.

[quantumuppercut]

According to my results it's nothing to do with the speed that the magnet passes the coil, myself and others have the effect at low RPM's where there is no way the magnet is going fast enough.

I think it's all to do with the coil, in which case a transformer would be an easier device than a pulse-motor to take advantage of the effect.

I think the regeneration is always there as long as you load the coil, it is just the matter of more or less. There are many good responds on the subject on various forums so I combine them all to make a possible analysis of what may be going on. I posted a graph showing the losses.

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The total input would be core losses and load. I also think majority of core loss is hysteresis.

total input = core losses + load

Let's say you run the rotor without a core, then core loss and load is zero. There will be input but we offset it to zero as baseline. Now you introduce a core and open coil. The total input would be just core loss as the graph shown. When you load the coil with high resistance, core losses go down but then load go up since we don't delay Lenz too much. Notice that if you add core loss and load for this case, the input would be more than just core. This is conventional. If we keep lowering L/R, then core loss continue to go down and load continue to go down till they reach a value equal to just core loss. This is where no speed change is observed when you load. If we continue to further delay lenz, we will reach a point where core loss and load will be almost zero. This is where speed up observed. However, carefully notice that this a situation with no core, or a baseline case.

[qvision]

@ Shadesz, yes i agree, we can control the phase relationship, it's just getting power out of it after that stage that is difficult.

Don't we have anyone here that really knows their stuff, like an electrical engineer ?

Again i link this video, noone has commented on it yet so i am assuming noone has watched it but it's all about reactive power :

RE-partI.mpg - YouTube

[Shadesz]

Phase angle difference - YouTube

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ - Does this video get you thinking about how we can control the phase shift under variable loads?


Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this proof that we can control, to some extent, the timing of current flow in the pickup coil thus the timing of lenz? That would be great information if my understanding is correct!

[Shadesz]

I don't know if I would write it off that quickly. Your math doesn't consider the hysteresis loop of the core material. As I have been stating, I feel this will also effect delay time. Especially if you are using same pole faces and magnets that are not strong enough to saturate the core.

Ok, here is an example. Talking about transformers with steel cores we learn...

A steel core's magnetic hysteresis means that it retains a static magnetic field when power is removed. When power is then reapplied, the residual field will cause a high inrush current until the effect of the remanent magnetism is reduced, usually after a few cycles of the applied alternating current.

There is a little more to it than that (which is why I started the hysteresis loop thread; I will get to the idea as I have time). But basically it is like the above quote states. If your core has a fat loop (the steel core above), it will retain some flux (at the expense of power) when your magnet leaves the core. However, just like a fat loop core on an electrically induced transformer will cause an in-rush of current, a fat loop core on your magnetically induced transformer will cause an in rush of the next magnet (while ignoring lenz at the same time). This is one reason I think most speedup effects are observed while using steel bolt cores.

I don't want to crowd this thread but figured I would at least give you guys the basic idea.

If you want something to relate this to, think of it as the same exact thing as using a biasing magnet. Functionally, they are the same thing. I however feel that using the proper core is more desirable than using biasing magnets, and probably cheaper.

[Shadesz]

Sorry for not getting back sooner, no, the coil plate is fixed, though I like your idea of having less RPM, It would be complicated to build that way, I just didn't draw the mount. The bearing in the middle of the coil plate is just to support the magnet rotor shaft because of the rotors design. Holding that roror stable at RPM would be hard to do with just one bearing. I"ll try to explain my thoughts better, The coils on the coil plate are turned 180 to each other for their pick up location. the outer ring of magnet's coils used in repulsion mode, the inner ring in attraction. Wouldn't this serve to offset lenz?, especially since the outer magnets are on the longer arm with torque?

I'm not sure

[Shadesz]

Since Bismuth is diamagnet, would it make a good shield material?

Actually the pull force relies on a shield that uses a high permeability (it doesn't really shield it so much as shorts it). Thus any diamagnet would be counterproductive. Does that make sense?

[Shadesz]

According to my results it's nothing to do with the speed that the magnet passes the coil, myself and others have the effect at low RPM's where there is no way the magnet is going fast enough.

I think it's all to do with the coil, in which case a transformer would be an easier device than a pulse-motor to take advantage of the effect.

Results :

AUL EFFECT 0.5 VOLTAGE RANGE TEST.xls

DSC01433.JPG

I don't know if I would write it off that quickly. Your math doesn't consider the hysteresis loop of the core material. As I have been stating, I feel this will also effect delay time. Especially if you are using same pole faces and magnets that are not strong enough to saturate the core.

[Rubberband]

Bismuth?

you should check out this vid...looks interesting


syncopetra's Channel - YouTube

Part 2 The evolution process to the source of Murray's ultra efficiency - YouTube

Since Bismuth is diamagnet, would it make a good shield material?

[Rubberband]

Not Exactly

Interesting idea. I'm not sure I grasp your idea completely so if I don't please continue to elaborate. Mechanics are hard to convey in text and 2d image format.

Essentially are you suggesting spinning the magnets in one direction and the coils in the opposite direction? That's a great idea!! It is more mechanical in nature, and will be difficult for testing stages, but once this generator is fully understood you could design a generator requiring half the RPM by spinning the magnets and coils in opposite directions! It would need brushes, etc, but with a good design I think it would help us achieve lenz tricking with half the RPM (danger). Nice!

Another thing this would do is allow you to mechanically time the firing and load time of each coil. You could do this by designing your mechanical brush switches carefully. I think there is potential with this idea in the future!

As far as phase shifting, the phase shift we are looking for is only within the generator coil itself. Essentially we are trying to control the time from when the magnet creates a changing field around the coil to the time that the coil receives the magnetic field and generates an electrical current to the time that the new electrical current creates a counter magnetic field in reverse of the one the magnet is creating. Changing coil location wont help this, but it can help us reduce the magnet bypass time!

Sorry for not getting back sooner, no, the coil plate is fixed, though I like your idea of having less RPM, It would be complicated to build that way, I just didn't draw the mount. The bearing in the middle of the coil plate is just to support the magnet rotor shaft because of the rotors design. Holding that roror stable at RPM would be hard to do with just one bearing. I"ll try to explain my thoughts better, The coils on the coil plate are turned 180 to each other for their pick up location. the outer ring of magnet's coils used in repulsion mode, the inner ring in attraction. Wouldn't this serve to offset lenz?, especially since the outer magnets are on the longer arm with torque?

[qvision]

According to my results it's nothing to do with the speed that the magnet passes the coil, myself and others have the effect at low RPM's where there is no way the magnet is going fast enough.

I think it's all to do with the coil, in which case a transformer would be an easier device than a pulse-motor to take advantage of the effect.

Results :

AUL EFFECT 0.5 VOLTAGE RANGE TEST.xls

DSC01433.JPG

[quantumuppercut]

Great book Farmhand! Thanks for the link!

@all,

It appears too much to explain my phase shifting theory today. On that same note, it appears like we may actually be talking about two different phase shifts.

Traditionally the phase shift relates to voltage and current in an inductor. Right now I am working on a power point to post that will explain my theory on that.

But more importantly there appears (at least I hope) to be a different phase shift. This isn't so much a phase shift as a sinewave time delay from the primary coil to the secondary coil. IE, if the current is measured on each the primary and secondary and is compared, there should be a delay time on the secondary.

Can anyone PLEASE confirm suggestion this? It has great application if we can figure out how to delay the current wave by say 90 or 180 degrees.

Ps, I will post the powerpoint (would you like it as a pdf instead?) when I finish it up.

I've always think this Lenz delay in term of force and mass. Force is voltage, velocity is current. When the mass is stationary and you apply a force, the greatest force is experience by the mass initially and as the mass go up in speed, the force drop. Now assume a force F is acting for time t, to stop the mass, you will require an opposite force F acting for a time t. The product Fxt is such that equal to to the original Fxt to cancel out momentum, hence fly back EMF on inductor discharge. We just trying to do it fast enough to beat friction (resistance).

[qvision]

@ MonsieurM
@ Farmhand

Brilliant links, thankyou both