The bistander thread

[bistander]

bi,
I welcome criticism from ANYONE who has replicated what I have shown. It doesn’t have to be 10 coils. A rotor and a couple coils wound as shown will do. But I have NO patience and NO respect for anyone who claims to know better than me what the machine sitting in front of me is doing when they have NOT replicated it and have NOT seen it run. Don’t tell me it doesn’t work when I have been looking at it running (off and on) for ten years. You are entitled to your doubts and opinions, and I am entitled to believe what I see with my own eyes. So when you say I am a liar, a con man and a fraud, I have no respect for that kind of cowardice. Because failing to face me like a man is absolutely the act of a coward who hides in the dark.

And don't tell us a 12 Volt LiFePO4 battery has 6 cells and insist it is true because you are looking at it on your bench. That was a lie. It is untrue. That battery did not have 6 two-volt LiFePO4 cells as you claimed. Your generator does not output 2000 watts of real power while using only 300 watts as you claim. That is a false statement from you. It is false regardless of what you think you see on your bench. It is false regardless of what you believe. It is false regardless of who I am. False statements are lies. Any reasonable person would have said he thinks that he has witnessed extraordinary behavior and attempt to verify and explain it. But you? No. You just make the bold extraordinary claim of free energy which amounts to perpetual motion, which men have been searching for over a 1000 years, and offer no proof, and argue for years, telling everybody else to prove you wrong. Absurd. History proves you wrong. That is the truth until you change it with proof of your claim.
bi ____

[Turion]

bi,
I welcome criticism from ANYONE who has replicated what I have shown. It doesn’t have to be 10 coils. A rotor and a couple coils wound as shown will do. But I have NO patience and NO respect for anyone who claims to know better than me what the machine sitting in front of me is doing when they have NOT replicated it and have NOT seen it run. Don’t tell me it doesn’t work when I have been looking at it running (off and on) for ten years. You are entitled to your doubts and opinions, and I am entitled to believe what I see with my own eyes. So when you say I am a liar, a con man and a fraud, I have no respect for that kind of cowardice. Because failing to face me like a man is absolutely the act of a coward who hides in the dark.

[bistander]

Well Mr. bi, I always seek with the other users it is a respectful dialogue and debate, for a long time I read all your comments, you have good comments, as well as bad comments, and attack comments or whatever you want to call them, hence I know how debate, when I started to comment on your link, it was to have an advance in the description of the phenomena that occur in power generation, everything was fine, but you say that you do not disrespect, if you do, and then change his dialogue and denies what he said, when he did say it.






The problem started because I did not agree with you on the analysis and evaluation of Mr. Dave's proposal, when I agree with you, I will let you know, it may be from this project or from others, but you began to disqualify, other than saying no I agree for this, for that, etc.



This last paragraph illustrates me as a fanatic, excuse me neither of sects, nor of religions, nor of the users of this forum, it is the way that determines the situations, it is not like that, Mr. Bi, what I can tell you that I value all the information from Mr. Dave and Mr. Mike, they have a long time making their prototypes, contributing information, experimenting, making videos, looking for better power generation prototypes, their proposals, they can be right or wrong , and each of us can agree with them on something and disagree, and debate respectfully, I remember that with Mr. Mike in one of the links about Morin, I commented that Morin was not right, he did not agree, I also remember a debate of you Mr. Bi, with Mr. Aron, and thus, from the debates you learn, and you also advance, when something does not coincide in the theoretical field, I better go to the experimental practice, if it is within reach of me and I can perform the experiment.

We can make mistakes, make mistakes, misjudge a study result or phenomenon, even in large scientific study circles it happens.
But continue, you have the right to express your views and assessments, but with respect, the events and phenomena that occur in nature will not stop due to mistakes, the phenomenon is there, for us to study and value, and in which we it can benefit, in that it can contribute to our development.
Nothing happens ahead, only that we do not agree on something, if you think I am ironic, pulp, I will try to take better care of my writings, but the saying also says it is wise to recognize that mistakes.

Alex,

I value truth and respect.

To start, I compared your statement to that which Turion often does to me.... Misquote, or claim that I have said something which I certainly did not say. Like this:

... when there are fewer cores, there is less consumption, and when there are more cores there is more consumption, you say that it is irrelevant at the nominal speed.

I never said what you claim that I said. I had said numerous times that cogging is irrelevant at speed, but you insinuate that I say core loss is irrelevant at speed which is far from the truth. I was surprised to see that from you. In my opinion, claiming that others have said things which they have not is a falsehood or lie. Show me a quote by me where I say what you claim I say. There is not one to find.

If there was a misunderstanding about this and you were not attempting to belittle me by falsely accusing me of saying that, I apologize.

As for the rest of it, you certainly appear to kiss Mr. Dave's butt way too often. Mostly you ignore me. Similar to how I ignore BroMikey. Big deal. I realize long ago, not everybody has to like everybody else. But be polite and respectful by just ignoring them. Why do Turion and BroMikey ridicule me, lie about me, insult me and call me names? Especially when all I try to do is help them understand what is really occurring, deal with facts and see the truth?

It is unfortunate these forums don't do better at sharing. I share a lifetime of knowledge and experience, but others won't share a simple experiment or data. I thought when you posted on this thread that you might be receptive to work together. But it appeared to degenerate into attacking me in the manner of those two. I'm sorry if it is just misunderstanding and I hope you are sincerely objective and not a Turion zealot.

bi

[alexelectric]

Well Mr. bi, I always seek with the other users it is a respectful dialogue and debate, for a long time I read all your comments, you have good comments, as well as bad comments, and attack comments or whatever you want to call them, hence I know how debate, when I started to comment on your link, it was to have an advance in the description of the phenomena that occur in power generation, everything was fine, but you say that you do not disrespect, if you do, and then change his dialogue and denies what he said, when he did say it.

You're as bad as Turion. I never said that. At least you may use language translation as excuse.
bi

Mr. Alex,
By the way, it is obvious whose side you're on. You love Mr. Turion and despise me. But truth knows no favorites. Must you test everything to know it? Is the earth flat? What's the tallest mountain on earth? Is arsenic poisonous? Or do you accept some things as true, or facts?
bi

You're as bad as Turion. I never said that. At least you may use language translation as excuse.
bi

The problem started because I did not agree with you on the analysis and evaluation of Mr. Dave's proposal, when I agree with you, I will let you know, it may be from this project or from others, but you began to disqualify, other than saying no I agree for this, for that, etc.

Although I am never rude or insulting to you, you follow your fan club and ridicule me. Why? Does that make you feel like one of the fanboys? Sad.

Thanks a lot.
bi

ps. Turion and BroMikey couldn't be more wrong about me.

This last paragraph illustrates me as a fanatic, excuse me neither of sects, nor of religions, nor of the users of this forum, it is the way that determines the situations, it is not like that, Mr. Bi, what I can tell you that I value all the information from Mr. Dave and Mr. Mike, they have a long time making their prototypes, contributing information, experimenting, making videos, looking for better power generation prototypes, their proposals, they can be right or wrong , and each of us can agree with them on something and disagree, and debate respectfully, I remember that with Mr. Mike in one of the links about Morin, I commented that Morin was not right, he did not agree, I also remember a debate of you Mr. Bi, with Mr. Aron, and thus, from the debates you learn, and you also advance, when something does not coincide in the theoretical field, I better go to the experimental practice, if it is within reach of me and I can perform the experiment.

We can make mistakes, make mistakes, misjudge a study result or phenomenon, even in large scientific study circles it happens.
But continue, you have the right to express your views and assessments, but with respect, the events and phenomena that occur in nature will not stop due to mistakes, the phenomenon is there, for us to study and value, and in which we it can benefit, in that it can contribute to our development.
Nothing happens ahead, only that we do not agree on something, if you think I am ironic, pulp, I will try to take better care of my writings, but the saying also says it is wise to recognize that mistakes.

[Turion]

And I am not a liar, fraud or con man, so YOU could not be more WRONG about me.

[bistander]

Case study: research object, bi





Simply here is the reason, Mr. Bi, better show your project, with your conclusions, I imagine that it will be a whole laboratory..y experiment, with your illustrious knowledge, in particular I am not interested in showing us your results, it is not me If your data is necessary, we already know how to proceed, but go ahead and prove yourself.

Well, I consider myself fairly proficient in comprehending the written word, but you lost me. Taking inference from the quotes above your paragraph, you form a fan club to Mr. Turion beside Mr. BroMikey and a few others, blindly following and accepting all he says, no matter how ridiculous and counter to proven scientific fact. Sad. You won't lift a finger to challenge him when he blatantly contradicts Newton's laws of motion or universal definitions of work and energy. Sad. You won't even consider my input even though I offer it to help you.

You say for me to "prove yourself". I am not the one making an extraordinary claim refusing to back it up with proof.
What I post is tried and true, proven scientific knowledge universally available to those who would look. I try to often supply references. I'm serious when I write "look it up".

Although I am never rude or insulting to you, you follow your fan club and ridicule me. Why? Does that make you feel like one of the fanboys? Sad.

Thanks a lot.
bi
ps. Turion and BroMikey couldn't be more wrong about me.

edit: I am pasting Turion's reply here:

And I am not a liar, fraud or con man, so YOU could not be more WRONG about me.

Time will tell.

[alexelectric]

Thanks. But why won't you show me your experiment and data?
bi

Case study: research object, bi

It's ok guys. bi will look at ANYTHING you show him and see nothing. He is paid NOT to see anything, NOT to agree and paid to DETRACT and DISCREDIT. Anyone who can look at that video and claim there is nothing to see of importance is either incapable of understanding simple concepts or a shill. He has probably already done the simple test, but will NEVER share the results of that because then he will be exposed.

I told you that years ago, but we use him in place of the average college dumb dumb who has paid to have a wool baggie tightly pulled over their heads and tied. Dumbed down to stupid and loving their doldrum. Can't walk and chew gum.

Simply here is the reason, Mr. Bi, better show your project, with your conclusions, I imagine that it will be a whole laboratory experiment, with your illustrious knowledge, in particular I am not interested in showing us your results, it is not me If your data is necessary, we already know how to proceed, but go ahead and prove yourself.

[Turion]

Quantum, this is something I have talked about before, so I have no problem sharing. When you have windings in parallel and you just connect all the beginnings together and all the ends together, you will need the highest RPM to see the speed up under load or “ neutral reaction. If you are using a motor controller you slowly turn up the voltage with the coil under load and at some speed you will either get the effect, or it is out of your range without adjusting your wires. You will see the motor suddenly speed up, and will have to back it off a bit to get neutral. If the effect was out of your range you have to change your wiring configuration. So now you take a wire and connect the end of it to the beginning of the next wire so you have two in series. You do this six times and are left with six beginnings and six ends. Put all the ends together and all the beginnings together and starting at 0 volts, slowly bring the voltage up and go through the same process. You can try it with 3 in series, 4 in series 6 in series and 12 in series. At some point, you will see the effect.

Remember, coils wound in parallel and connected in series cause the motor to draw more amps in an unloaded condition with the rotor just spinning by them than monofilar coils do. The speed up under load effect simply allows the motor to get back to the amp draw it WOULD have cost if the same amount of wire had been in a single strand. So there IS NO MAGIC here except for ONE THING. If you are at a stable acceptable amp draw with the coils UNLOADED, when you connect them to a load, the amp draw suddenly drops and the RPM goes up.

With my machine I add two unloaded coils and the amp draw goes up and the RPM goes down. I adjust my neutralization magnets and the amp draw goes back down to what it was, and the RPM goes back up. I repeat this process for as many pairs of coils as I have. Some machines have five pair and some have six. Once everything is adjusted THEN I add loads and the amp draw drops and the RPM goes up.

[bistander]

Mr. Bi, Do the project, orient yourself from the videos of Mr. Mike, Mr. Dave. and of the enough documentation that there is in this forum
How good you say that you are already gathering the materials to take the test, good luck.

Thanks. But why won't you show me your experiment and data?
bi

[Quantum_well]

Turion the main thing I need to know is winding and connection. You have twelve strands, how do you put them on a bobbin? When the wire is wound you'll end up with 24 ends which will all be tagged with reference to how they were put onto the bobbin. Then its a case of what goes where. If you don't want to disclose how it's done then I'm fine with that.

[alexelectric]

You can't read, can you? Where did I say that I believe Alex? I never did.
bi

Why not show me your test and data, the one you asked me to comment about where you said "we" were using cores only? In the mean time I am collecting some parts to test cores and magnets like I said I might. But you keep telling me to build and test, show me what you have. I never said I didn't believe you. Just show me the test and data. What's wrong with that?
bi

Mr. Bi, Do the project, orient yourself from the videos of Mr. Mike, Mr. Dave. and of the enough documentation that there is in this forum
How good you say that you are already gathering the materials to take the test, good luck.

[Turion]

Quantum,
As I have said many many times, this whole idea of outrunning lenz is based on TWO things. Capacity of the coil and Frequency

How do you control capacity of the coil?
Length of wire
Number of strands in parallel connected in series
OR a capacitor in parallel
Kind of core material
Mass of core material

How do you control frequency?
Number of magnets on the rotor
RPM of the rotor/ motor

Change ONE thing and it affects what you have to do with another

My coils are made of 12 strands of # 23 each 253 feet long. Four strands are connected in series. My core is soft iron and the mass is that which is required to fill a standard 3 1/2 x 3” bobbin. My rotor has 22 magnets on a 10 1/2” rotor and MUST spin at 1800 RPM to get the effect.


That’s why I asked you what size rotor you have and how many magnets. What’s the operating RPM of the motor you will be using. What core material will you be using and what size bobbin? Only THEN can we figure out your “coil”.

[bistander]

SO you believe Alex, but I say the same thing and you call me a liar, a fraud, and a con man. ...

Another lie from you. I did not call you a liar, a fraud, and a con man for saying "the say thing" as Alex.
bi

[bistander]

Oh, I get it. This is another one of the examples of you talking out of both sides of your mouth at the same time.

It is another instance where you misinterpret something plainly visible, or lie.

Ironic that you of all people bring up believability.
bi

[Turion]

I never said I didn't believe you.
bi

Oh, I get it. This is another one of the examples of you talking out of both sides of your mouth at the same time.