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  • alexelectric
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    Well Mr. bi, I always seek with the other users it is a respectful dialogue and debate, for a long time I read all your comments, you have good comments, as well as bad comments, and attack comments or whatever you want to call them, hence I know how debate, when I started to comment on your link, it was to have an advance in the description of the phenomena that occur in power generation, everything was fine, but you say that you do not disrespect, if you do, and then change his dialogue and denies what he said, when he did say it.

    Originally posted by bistander View Post
    You're as bad as Turion. I never said that. At least you may use language translation as excuse.
    bi


    Originally posted by bistander View Post
    Mr. Alex,
    By the way, it is obvious whose side you're on. You love Mr. Turion and despise me. But truth knows no favorites. Must you test everything to know it? Is the earth flat? What's the tallest mountain on earth? Is arsenic poisonous? Or do you accept some things as true, or facts?
    bi

    Originally posted by bistander View Post
    You're as bad as Turion. I never said that. At least you may use language translation as excuse.
    bi


    The problem started because I did not agree with you on the analysis and evaluation of Mr. Dave's proposal, when I agree with you, I will let you know, it may be from this project or from others, but you began to disqualify, other than saying no I agree for this, for that, etc.

    Originally posted by bistander View Post
    Although I am never rude or insulting to you, you follow your fan club and ridicule me. Why? Does that make you feel like one of the fanboys? Sad.

    Thanks a lot.
    bi
    Originally posted by bistander View Post
    ps. Turion and BroMikey couldn't be more wrong about me.
    This last paragraph illustrates me as a fanatic, excuse me neither of sects, nor of religions, nor of the users of this forum, it is the way that determines the situations, it is not like that, Mr. Bi, what I can tell you that I value all the information from Mr. Dave and Mr. Mike, they have a long time making their prototypes, contributing information, experimenting, making videos, looking for better power generation prototypes, their proposals, they can be right or wrong , and each of us can agree with them on something and disagree, and debate respectfully, I remember that with Mr. Mike in one of the links about Morin, I commented that Morin was not right, he did not agree, I also remember a debate of you Mr. Bi, with Mr. Aron, and thus, from the debates you learn, and you also advance, when something does not coincide in the theoretical field, I better go to the experimental practice, if it is within reach of me and I can perform the experiment.

    We can make mistakes, make mistakes, misjudge a study result or phenomenon, even in large scientific study circles it happens.
    But continue, you have the right to express your views and assessments, but with respect, the events and phenomena that occur in nature will not stop due to mistakes, the phenomenon is there, for us to study and value, and in which we it can benefit, in that it can contribute to our development.
    Nothing happens ahead, only that we do not agree on something, if you think I am ironic, pulp, I will try to take better care of my writings, but the saying also says it is wise to recognize that mistakes.
    Last edited by alexelectric; 03-10-2021, 03:41 AM.

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  • Turion
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    And I am not a liar, fraud or con man, so YOU could not be more WRONG about me.

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  • bistander
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    Originally posted by alexelectric View Post


    Case study: research object, bi





    Simply here is the reason, Mr. Bi, better show your project, with your conclusions, I imagine that it will be a whole laboratory..y experiment, with your illustrious knowledge, in particular I am not interested in showing us your results, it is not me If your data is necessary, we already know how to proceed, but go ahead and prove yourself.
    Well, I consider myself fairly proficient in comprehending the written word, but you lost me. Taking inference from the quotes above your paragraph, you form a fan club to Mr. Turion beside Mr. BroMikey and a few others, blindly following and accepting all he says, no matter how ridiculous and counter to proven scientific fact. Sad. You won't lift a finger to challenge him when he blatantly contradicts Newton's laws of motion or universal definitions of work and energy. Sad. You won't even consider my input even though I offer it to help you.

    You say for me to "prove yourself". I am not the one making an extraordinary claim refusing to back it up with proof.
    ​​​​​What I post is tried and true, proven scientific knowledge universally available to those who would look. I try to often supply references. I'm serious when I write "look it up".

    Although I am never rude or insulting to you, you follow your fan club and ridicule me. Why? Does that make you feel like one of the fanboys? Sad.

    Thanks a lot.
    bi
    ps. Turion and BroMikey couldn't be more wrong about me.

    edit: I am pasting Turion's reply here:
    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    And I am not a liar, fraud or con man, so YOU could not be more WRONG about me.
    Time will tell.
    Last edited by bistander; 03-10-2021, 03:15 AM.

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  • alexelectric
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    Originally posted by bistander View Post
    Thanks. But why won't you show me your experiment and data?
    bi

    Case study: research object, bi

    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    It's ok guys. bi will look at ANYTHING you show him and see nothing. He is paid NOT to see anything, NOT to agree and paid to DETRACT and DISCREDIT. Anyone who can look at that video and claim there is nothing to see of importance is either incapable of understanding simple concepts or a shill. He has probably already done the simple test, but will NEVER share the results of that because then he will be exposed.


    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
    I told you that years ago, but we use him in place of the average college dumb dumb who has paid to have a wool baggie tightly pulled over their heads and tied. Dumbed down to stupid and loving their doldrum. Can't walk and chew gum.


    Simply here is the reason, Mr. Bi, better show your project, with your conclusions, I imagine that it will be a whole laboratory experiment, with your illustrious knowledge, in particular I am not interested in showing us your results, it is not me If your data is necessary, we already know how to proceed, but go ahead and prove yourself.
    Last edited by alexelectric; 03-10-2021, 12:17 AM.

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  • Turion
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    Quantum, this is something I have talked about before, so I have no problem sharing. When you have windings in parallel and you just connect all the beginnings together and all the ends together, you will need the highest RPM to see the speed up under load or “ neutral reaction. If you are using a motor controller you slowly turn up the voltage with the coil under load and at some speed you will either get the effect, or it is out of your range without adjusting your wires. You will see the motor suddenly speed up, and will have to back it off a bit to get neutral. If the effect was out of your range you have to change your wiring configuration. So now you take a wire and connect the end of it to the beginning of the next wire so you have two in series. You do this six times and are left with six beginnings and six ends. Put all the ends together and all the beginnings together and starting at 0 volts, slowly bring the voltage up and go through the same process. You can try it with 3 in series, 4 in series 6 in series and 12 in series. At some point, you will see the effect.

    Remember, coils wound in parallel and connected in series cause the motor to draw more amps in an unloaded condition with the rotor just spinning by them than monofilar coils do. The speed up under load effect simply allows the motor to get back to the amp draw it WOULD have cost if the same amount of wire had been in a single strand. So there IS NO MAGIC here except for ONE THING. If you are at a stable acceptable amp draw with the coils UNLOADED, when you connect them to a load, the amp draw suddenly drops and the RPM goes up.

    With my machine I add two unloaded coils and the amp draw goes up and the RPM goes down. I adjust my neutralization magnets and the amp draw goes back down to what it was, and the RPM goes back up. I repeat this process for as many pairs of coils as I have. Some machines have five pair and some have six. Once everything is adjusted THEN I add loads and the amp draw drops and the RPM goes up.

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  • bistander
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    Originally posted by alexelectric View Post



    Mr. Bi, Do the project, orient yourself from the videos of Mr. Mike, Mr. Dave. and of the enough documentation that there is in this forum
    How good you say that you are already gathering the materials to take the test, good luck.
    Thanks. But why won't you show me your experiment and data?
    bi

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  • Quantum_well
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    Turion the main thing I need to know is winding and connection. You have twelve strands, how do you put them on a bobbin? When the wire is wound you'll end up with 24 ends which will all be tagged with reference to how they were put onto the bobbin. Then its a case of what goes where. If you don't want to disclose how it's done then I'm fine with that.

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  • alexelectric
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    Originally posted by bistander View Post
    You can't read, can you? Where did I say that I believe Alex? I never did.
    bi


    Originally posted by bistander View Post
    Why not show me your test and data, the one you asked me to comment about where you said "we" were using cores only? In the mean time I am collecting some parts to test cores and magnets like I said I might. But you keep telling me to build and test, show me what you have. I never said I didn't believe you. Just show me the test and data. What's wrong with that?
    bi


    Mr. Bi, Do the project, orient yourself from the videos of Mr. Mike, Mr. Dave. and of the enough documentation that there is in this forum
    How good you say that you are already gathering the materials to take the test, good luck.

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  • Turion
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    Quantum,
    As I have said many many times, this whole idea of outrunning lenz is based on TWO things. Capacity of the coil and Frequency

    How do you control capacity of the coil?
    Length of wire
    Number of strands in parallel connected in series
    OR a capacitor in parallel
    Kind of core material
    Mass of core material

    How do you control frequency?
    Number of magnets on the rotor
    RPM of the rotor/ motor

    Change ONE thing and it affects what you have to do with another

    My coils are made of 12 strands of # 23 each 253 feet long. Four strands are connected in series. My core is soft iron and the mass is that which is required to fill a standard 3 1/2 x 3” bobbin. My rotor has 22 magnets on a 10 1/2” rotor and MUST spin at 1800 RPM to get the effect.


    That’s why I asked you what size rotor you have and how many magnets. What’s the operating RPM of the motor you will be using. What core material will you be using and what size bobbin? Only THEN can we figure out your “coil”.

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  • bistander
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post

    SO you believe Alex, but I say the same thing and you call me a liar, a fraud, and a con man. ...
    Another lie from you. I did not call you a liar, a fraud, and a con man for saying "the say thing" as Alex.
    bi

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  • bistander
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post

    Oh, I get it. This is another one of the examples of you talking out of both sides of your mouth at the same time.
    It is another instance where you misinterpret something plainly visible, or lie.

    Ironic that you of all people bring up believability.
    bi

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  • Turion
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    Originally posted by bistander View Post

    I never said I didn't believe you.
    bi
    Oh, I get it. This is another one of the examples of you talking out of both sides of your mouth at the same time.

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  • bistander
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post

    SO you believe Alex, but I say the same thing and you call me a liar, a fraud, and a con man. And you hide in the dark while you are doing it.
    That is why I say YOU are a COWARD.
    You can't read, can you? Where did I say that I believe Alex? I never did.
    bi

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  • Quantum_well
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    It's all very well going on about neutralisation. Here's a little story, we had four kids in five years, the wife and her doctor came up with a plan. Get him neutralised they said and I was duly carted off to the neutralisation clinic. Result, I just fire blanks and that's what I fear for your generators.
    I could do with a bit of advice on the type of coil winding and connection. I've come across bifilar relays and low capacitance resistors made bifilar but never a generator.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by Turion View Post
    It's ok guys. bi will look at ANYTHING you show him and see nothing. He is paid NOT to see anything,
    I told you that years ago, but we use him in place of the average college dumb dumb who has paid to have a wool baggie tightly pulled over their heads and tied. Dumbed down to stupid and loving their doldrum. Can't walk and chew gum.

    So let me take this opportunity to say that I have been looking over the black beauty and that box is a real winner. With help from a guy like that is making you look great. It is time to sell a few in the near future. I may buy one.

    Keep working out the bugs

    Battling over the University Plug. It's all mine brain freeze, Bye and his buddies




    Last edited by BroMikey; 03-09-2021, 11:39 AM.

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