Ionization & Water Fuel

[chasson321]

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[aljhoa]

HI Tim,
I have answer today about that.. "not only ammonia (NH3) is released from the reaction".. however THERMAL EXPLOSIVE ENERGY is effectively released from final reaction.. it is a my supposition that the patents of meyer have been modified for preserve the secret.. I have posted the complete meyer injection system, I have suggested to Aaron to see that image every day because I'm sure that to the end the solution comes outside.. Regards

[tutanka]

Tutanka,

I have been going through all your posts mainly focusing on your posts in the Stan Meyer Explained thread. It is interesting reading, everybody should read it.

Before you and h2opower started butting heads, one can see you asked many questions of him and he tried to answers all those he could. Here is one post of yours.

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I'm an italian private researcher... As many peoples I was focalized on standard ho cells but when I have read thred of H2OPOWER my mind has been illuminated. The way for obtain high amount of energyu is work in this direction but I think isn't present only one solution.. Importat is understand concept of functionality.... after is only question of intuition.. For it I think that isn't needed complicated circuits .. in nature don't exist anything of complicated.. all is simple.. and for this concept must be created an water system energy... simply using HV fields and imagination.. Regards


It is correct that I do not understand your process.

Just to be sure, is the end result of your process the production of Nh3?

There are other post of yours in that thread which you state both ways would work. Do you still hold that position? I'll will find thoses posts if you would like.

Aaron made a dare and h2opower seems to have answered that dare, for when I read his reseach on Stan Meyers work it all seems very clear to me and the patent makes sense when before reading his work it did not. Please if you would just answer the questions I have, all of them to including the ones on energy content concerning the graph. From what I can tell people get made at him for he is a very slow builder of things he talks about, but he is building at his own pace and I can respect that.

Just trying to understand it all.

Tim

HI Tim,
I have answer today about that.. "not only ammonia (NH3) is released from the reaction".. however THERMAL EXPLOSIVE ENERGY is effectively released from final reaction.. it is a my supposition that the patents of meyer have been modified for preserve the secret.. I have posted the complete meyer injection system, I have suggested to Aaron to see that image every day because I'm sure that to the end the solution comes outside.. Regards

[chasson321]

"Stan Meyer Explaned" Thread-Focus Tutanka's posting

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[tutanka]

I have questions regarding all these theories on Stanly Meyer's work.
After reading everything the first theory was N2O, then it went to NO2, then to N(OH)2 and now NH3. I know some of these questions may get some people mad but these question have to be asked so forgive me if I make anyone upset. Remember I am no body just a man with questions.

Now the first question I have is just where is the NH3 going to be produced and what would be the energy content of the NH3 produced? If you can plot it on this graph or make a similar one just like in the same units that would be helpful. H2opower says that the conditions are: Engine at idle, air flowing through the intake system is approximately 32ft./sec, and the water temperature is around 60-90 degrees C.

Second question is given such a short time frame can any of you show the events as they take place for all of us for I am sure I am not the only one with questions so I can see what you are purposing works? This should not give any secrets away just show a time table of the events as then take place so we all can see what is taking place as h2opower did. This would go a long ways on clearing things up in the minds of many reading all of this. Remember I am no one, just a man with questions.

Thanks for not getting mad,
Tim

[chasson321]

I have questions

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[Michael John Nunnerley]

I know someone that this has happened

[QUOTE=stevie1001;90061]Mike,

On what basis is your "advise" based?
Did you have any practical experience with this?
Or is this some kind of counter attacking action thing.....

For your info:
An engine runs perfect on HHO with ambient air and when you use in the proces an ionizer, you end up with an even better running engine.
That you all can have from my personall experiments.

Everybody: Please continue with your experiments. I know its wort it.

Stevie1001
I am sorry but if you continue running an engine WITH PISTONS FOR COMPRESSION, some time or other you will bow it up and maybe you. If you mix it with petrol or another carbon fuel then the risk is less.

H1 is so thin that it will pass the rings and end up in the sump, one good spark and bang. I am talking H1 not H2, what comes from electrolysis is H1 to start with, but in a very small space of time it will combine H1+H1=H2, but if some gets through as H1 look out
Mike

[Slovenia]

Unfortunate

These are all references, which I yanked out of a very lengthy paper that I wrote up and have decided I am not going to release anymore.

Hi Aaron,

It's unfortunate for us all that you have decided not to release your paper now. It's unfortunate because you are a very good teacher. You have a way of simplifying even the most difficult processes so that anyone can follow and understand them.

Anyway, we appreciate all the things which you have shared with us. Many in this forum are very silent but I think that most of us including the silent ones appreciate all your hard work and what you have shared with us. Thanks so much for what you have shared!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[Slovenia]

Mike is one of the good guys!!

Mike,

On what basis is your "advise" based?
Did you have any practical experience with this?
Or is this some kind of counter attacking action thing.....

For your info:
An engine runs perfect on HHO with ambient air and when you use in the proces an ionizer, you end up with an even better running engine.
That you all can have from my personall experiments.

Everybody: Please continue with your experiments. I know its wort it.

Stevie1001


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Stevie1001,

Mike is one of the good guys. He has much experience and he is not a trouble maker.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[stevie1001]

Hi All

This is just a bit of advice, If you run your engine on HHO "ONLY" you run the risk of blowing up the engine, why?, if the H is H1 "atomic" on compresson it can pass the rings and end up in the sump, and what can happen? well I will leave that up to the imagination!!!!!!!!!!!

Mike

Mike,

On what basis is your "advise" based?
Did you have any practical experience with this?
Or is this some kind of counter attacking action thing.....

For your info:
An engine runs perfect on HHO with ambient air and when you use in the proces an ionizer, you end up with an even better running engine.
That you all can have from my personall experiments.

Everybody: Please continue with your experiments. I know its wort it.

Stevie1001

https://www.ionizationx.com

[Aaron]

thank you!

You are very much appreciated. Thanks for sharing with us. You have put a lot of time and effort into this.

Thank you!

I will always give credit to a very small group of dedicated and brilliant folks
that paved the way and they're all here in the forum except for for Meyer.

[Aaron]

progress

You make a very good point. Perhaps more of us will be able to connect all the dots soon.

For many, the simply reality that nh3 can be made on demand must be
realized and for them, until they do, they're going to be chasing magic
potions.

These old references I just posted are not showing this method, but it
should open some minds as to the reality that nh3 can be created out
of thin air, literally, with some water and electricity - and once this fact
becomes a reality in their mind, it should be easier to swallow the facts.

The sad thing is that the die hard Meyer believers - (the ones that believe
what he says word for word) - could be the greatest allies and supporters
of the real method but unfortunately, too many of them are more
interested in finding things that support their pre-conceived ideas instead
of being teachable enough to swallow their pride that they may have been
wrong about their perceptions all along. I don't see why it is so hard for
some people to simply let go of what they have believed if something else
comes along that makes more sense. It is one of the few ways I have ever
made progress in my life. Not getting attached to illusions that I created
for myself.

I believed mostly like what H2Opower and the others believed, but it was
several years back that I stopped on that path because it became
overwhelming common sense that it was NOT about producing as much
HHO as possible to run an engine. I knew there was something missing with
the ionization and "non-combustible gases". When the water spark plug
circuit came around, that was the first breath of fresh air because it was
obvious of the implications of a real plasma ignition with water fuel systems.

When Tutanka started to allude to some things in h2opower's thread,
I had no idea he has been posting for almost a year at that point. I just
happened to glance in that thread and saw a few of his posts that alluded
to something that I could feel was exactly what I was looking for and that
was missing from Meyer's explanations.

Some of the Meyer believers had called me the closed-minded one, yet
I was able to transition over to the chemistry and method that actually
did make sense as going by what Meyer says has more holes than a fishing
net. And over a couple weeks of starting this thread, there was more
truth about the water fuel system than any other single thread on the
entire internet. It is just unfortunate that not only do they not see it, it appears
they actually have no desire to see it.

Mike brought up that atomic hydrogen will just go past the rings and
create a serious hazard. This was brought up before and was mentioned
that a bigger molecule was needed that won't create the hazard of working
with just hho - that ought to be a serious common sense clue that hho
only is NOT the way and the Meyer believers that think it is about creating
masses of HHO cannot get around this issue, but of course they'll probably
look the other way, pretend it isn't an issue and will simply post references
to back their beliefs that it MUST be like what they thought it was all
along.

Here's the last thing I'm saying about it - is that anyone interested
should go through this thread and read every post about nitrogen being a
natural EEC - Good luck to everyone and their experiments!

[Slovenia]

Thank You For The Favor!!!

Nascent Hydrogen. The doctrine of the nascent state has been developed, for the most part, in terms of hydrogen. Davy noticed in 1807 that electrolytic hydrogen will combine with nitrogen in the presence of water, while ordinary hydrogen will not.

The Nascent State, J. H. Reedy and E. D. Biggers, J. Chem. Educ., 1942, 19 (9), p 403, DOI: 10.1021/ed019, p403, Publication Date: September 1942.


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Below are several excerpts from a paper showing the synthesis of ammoniaThe following is an account of experiments on the rate of production of ammonia from nitrogen and hydrogen as a function of the energy of thermions used to activate molecules and atoms.

Heidemann described the production of ammonia even at the lowest voltages, but subsequent work by Andersen and Storch and Olson did not confirm this. They detected no combination until the molecular ionization potential of N2 (circa 17 V) was reached, after which the reaction rate increased abruptly every 4-7 V. The mechanism proposed was that H2+ and N2+ appearing at 16 V and 17V respectively gave H and N atoms on collision, and that later increased combination was due to the activation of H by 4 V electrons N2 + 2N, the nitrogen atoms then combining with H2 or H produced by the reaction N2 + H2 2N + 2H; white at 23 V the voltage at which N+ begins to appear, NH3+ is obtained in the same way.

As regards dissociation at the filament, Langmuir has shown that hydrogen molecules are dissociated by tungsten at temperatures above about 1,300.

These results demonstrate conclusively that combination to form ammonia takes place between H atoms and N2 molecules both in the presence of the nickel and platinum anodes and in the presence of 13 V electrons.

N2 + H at the surface of platinum or nickel.

N2+ in the bulk at 17 volts,

N+ in the bulk at 23 volts,

The Combination of Nitrogen and Hydrogen Activated by Electrons, A. Caress and E. K. Rideal, Proc. R. Soc. Lond. A 1 August 1927 vol. 115 no. 772 684-700, In mixtures of H2 with N2, evidence was obtained which indicates that the ultraviolet band of ammonia, associated with the 22.5 volt critical potential, is due to a molecule NHx, where x is probably 3, and that the Schuster band is emitted only in the presence of oxygen and is due to a molecule NxHyOz, possibly NH4OH. This band was observed only at voltages higher than the critical voltage for "active nitrogen,

Characteristics and Spectra of Low Voltage Arcs in H2, N2 and in Mixtures of H2 with Hg and N2The Mechanism of Ammonia Synthesis in Low-Voltage Arcs. The formation of ammonia from gaseous mixtures of nitrogen and hydrogen by means of slowly moving electrons was studied by Storch and Olson. They determined the rate of the reaction by pressure methods and the products of the reaction by chemical indicators. From their experiments ammonia forms where the applied potential is 17 volts, the rate of formation then remains constant until the potential reaches 23 volts, at which point an abrupt increase in ammonia synthesis occurs.



It should not be blatantly obvious that under various circumstances, nitrogen can easily bind to hydrogen in order to form NH3 or Ammonia, especially when the hydrogen comes from electrolysis and there is moisture present.

Stanley Meyer was producing ammonia water fuel from water, air and electricity. The nitrogen also serves another purpose other than just binding to hydrogen to form ammonia.

The Mechanism of Ammonia Synthesis in Low-Voltage ArcsDOI:

NHThree is a company in Washington state where a process to form ammonia from air, water and electricity was developed. It is called Solid-State Ammonia Synthesis (SSAS). They have also applied for patents regarding their process: Method and Apparatus for Anhydrous Ammonia Production. WO2008/097644A1 and US2008193360A1.

Now that we understand that ammonia can indeed be produced with nothing more than air, water and electricity at low temperatures and pressures, lets look at the application as it relates to a water fueled Internal Combustion Engine (ICE).

Haber-Bosch Process

Solid-State Ammonia Synthesis, Powerpoint presentation in PDF format.

Method and Apparatus for Anhydrous Ammonia Production, WO2008/097644A1

Method and Apparatus for Anhydrous Ammonia Production, US2008193360A1


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I even give you links to the abstracts... so you can go copy what you can. The full articles
are available for free around the net, some aren't - you just have to search. If anyone finds
the other free full articles, please post them if you want to return the favor.

Aaron,

You are very much appreciated. Thanks for sharing with us. You have put a lot of time and effort into this.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[sucahyo]

Sucaho. Regarding your question. Carbon dioxide + hydrogen = methane.

If the "Open flame assy" do not have carbon then what the result is? It is not stated that the flame need to have carbon and it is not stated that carbon is needed.

It is mentioned that this principle is implemented in WFC. Are you suggesting that you need carbon source in your WFC implementation?

But, if you insist that "Open flame assy" is alcohol flame I won't argue anymore. Since I assume it could be anything including hydrogen that do not have carbon component.

[Slovenia]

Good Point

There are about 5 others here that know the deal and a couple have
already had the results. One had results over 20 years ago. He/they are
"the man" - when it comes to the water fuel.

I still think Meyer's is also "the man" when it comes to this and I can see
he wasn't stupid enough to reveal his process in his patents but just cover
the claims.

You make a very good point. Perhaps more of us will be able to connect all the dots soon. It needs to happen before the Cap & Trade Bill gets past and our utility bills go though the roof.