Ionization & Water Fuel

[sucahyo]

Now you turn back? You whant burn water?? .

No. I just mentioning that it is possible. I see no one here interested or doing experiment in making the water to actually burn.

I do not have plan to do research or experiment on this.

Burnable water I am talking about here is NEVER patented. The process is done with water always in liquid form. Never in vapor/gas form, never exceed room temperature.

[tutanka]

Please explain what you mean with this?


stevie

Stevie,
Meyer reaction created special molecule not NH3 as oneminde wrote for that I advise you that meyer reaction is very DANGEROUS. Needed attention to start tests.. Regards

[stevie1001]

Now you turn back? You whant burn water?? However if you have in mind to start experiments oriented on nitrogen and water please attention because is very dangerous for your life.. Meyer isn't dead for poison as is written on internet.

Please explain what you mean with this?


stevie

[tutanka]

Ok, thanks for the suggestion. I will try dry process first.

Burning water is possible, although our knowledge is not there yet. I regret I don't have recorder when they play the show. Some would say that the show is not scientifict, but I strongly believe that what shown is once a human knowledge. Besides, Viktor Schauberger already describe the process on how to make water burnable. Two confirmation from different sources is good enough for me. I believe what Steve Ryan have is real.

But, for us I still think onboard NH3 production is the most viable solution.

Now you turn back? You whant burn water?? However if you have in mind to start experiments oriented on nitrogen and water please attention because is very dangerous for your life.. Meyer isn't dead for poison as is written on internet.

[Oneminde]

Tutanka wrote; FIRST TO START MEYER EXPERIMENT WITH IONIZATION, ELECTROLISYS, ETC..

Not electrolysis, but voltrolysis. That is entirly different - no current, only potential differance in the positive and negative regions.

[sucahyo]

Hey Sucahyo. I like what u building. I think u into natural events? If so check out salt.

Ok, thanks for the suggestion. I will try dry process first.

AND YOU ARE SURE THAT ONLY WATER IS USED INSIDE (MAYBE SOME ALCOOL IS MIXED)?

Burning water is possible, although our knowledge is not there yet. I regret I don't have recorder when they play the show. Some would say that the show is not scientifict, but I strongly believe that what shown is once a human knowledge. Besides, Viktor Schauberger already describe the process on how to make water burnable. Two confirmation from different sources is good enough for me. I believe what Steve Ryan have is real.

But, for us I still think onboard NH3 production is the most viable solution.

[Aaron]

efficent motors for ammonia fuel

Richie,

Here are two threads for efficient engines for ammonia/water fuel:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5318-efficient-motors-nitrogen-hydroxide.html

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5353-turbojet-engine-gas-turbines-diy.html

[Richie_asg1]

I applaud all of the development efforts I read on on here, But I can't help thinking there may be a better Mechanical design to using the result of your efforts.
The Internal combustion engine is not very efficient, due mainly to it's reciprocating nature. I do like the Honda engine, but don't know it's efficiency, and beyond that we're into turbines.

The American military did run tests with using basic water mist injection in their generators, and were able to get up to 75% reduction in fuel, but the main problems they had were of condensation and increased wear. The water basically steam-cleaning the cylinder bores, and ending up in the sump.

I still think that it is posible to burn a sugar syrup in an IC engine with a plasma spark, as there will be enough carbon in there, more oxygen and hydrogen for it to combust. Add a little Alcohol to the mix - and it will thin down again and look more like water (and rather tasty!)

There is no real reason why plasma spark ignition could not be rolled out right now, the concept is already proven, and modification minor.

Even if it comes out from testing that it is possible - then it would be another viable fuel to use in vehicles and generators.

[tutanka]

[QUOTE=stevie1001;90872]Thats a nice video.
I wonder how fake it might be..[/QUOTE

THAT'S SURELY AN FAKE VIDEO! AND YOU ARE SURE THAT ONLY WATER IS USED INSIDE (MAYBE SOME ALCOOL IS MIXED)? ONLY ONEMINDE CAN SEND AN SIMILAR VIDEO.. NOW YOUR WAY IS USE PLASMA?? ATTENTION.... FIRST TO START MEYER EXPERIMENT WITH IONIZATION, ELECTROLISYS, ETC.. YOU NEED TO STUDY BETTER REACTIONS GENERATED FROM PROCESS.. THESE CAN BE VERY DANGEROUS FOR YOUR LIFE. REGARDS

[stevie1001]

YouTube - water powered bike (plasma spark)

Thats a nice video.
I wonder how fake it might be..

[Oneminde]

Watch this.

YouTube - water powered bike (plasma spark)

[sucahyo]

How inert is nitrogen

I am curious to know if it is true that NOx will form first before NH3 when all of them are mixed together.
Nitrogen and Oxygen | TutorVista.com

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The NH3 require much lower energy to form compared to NO. Anyone think otherwise, please post link to NOx vs NH3 reaction.

I also curious to know whether nitrogen molecule is really unbreakable/inert:
Heat Changes During Chemical Reactions

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Ionization Energy

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WebElements Periodic Table of the Elements | Nitrogen | bond enthalpy data
the energy needed to break N2 is just twice required for OO. I don't see why an overpowered ionizer will not ionize N2 aswell.

[sucahyo]

OK Sucahyo, I am finally on the same page as u. I read all your theory and looked at the ancient Meyer stuff again. What exactly are u trying to accomplish? If u r going too keep asking me questions it would be a lot easier for me to help u if I understood your goal.

Making a HV powered tube with construction similar to meyer pipe:


If heating and vortexing is possible, maybe it can be built without HV, or just part of them will be charged with hv


Progress will be very slow. What ever come out from this device should provide answer.

[chasson321]

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[bussi04]

Thanks Damian. I'm amazed u found that.

OK Sucahyo, I am finally on the same page as u. I read all your theory and looked at the ancient Meyer stuff again. What exactly are u trying to accomplish? If u r going too keep asking me questions it would be a lot easier for me to help u if I understood your goal.

Tutanka? Why is Meyers being discredited here? Why on earth would anyone in their right mind create a false patent? It totally defeats the purpose. U know that?

Why discrediting a dead man having gone so far on his way to success?
Meyer produced and showed results. Noone else here did the same, did he?
Discussions make sense as long as leading to practial results. Tutanka claims to have gotten a result http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post89826