Ionization & Water Fuel

[jonabel1971]

Water molecule behavior in an electric field.

Sounds like Aaron is having trouble with a number of researchers.

Here's a laymen's article, describing a journal paper on modelling water molecule's behavior in an electric field.

Physics - Water Molecules, Unite!

Enjoy people. I will continue to point others to some of the real scientific research that has been published.

Oh, here's my latest video. New water fuel technology. I had moisture in my flow-guage, but, it's been fixed. This is an induction cooktop - converting and transferring 2 frequencies to a Tesla pancake coil. This is very similar to Meyer's work.

1st GEGENE demonstration - making hydrogen. - YouTube

I got the idea from Naudin's site - The JLN Labs home page

Every time I point people to this stuff, however, Aaron calls me a fraud - and then points to his OWN BOOKS as proof that I am a fraud. As you can see above - he uses HUGE fonts to get his point across.

Nitrogen, indeed.
Stan talked about air-tight systems that didn't need ambient air in his videos.

Nitrogen mixed with Oxyhydrogen is going to create ammonia (NH3) and Nitrous Oxides (NOx). Liquid and gaseous pollutants.

Nitrogen is not needed. Water has the only 3 parts that are needed in an air-tight system.

1. Hydrogen - the burnable gas
2. Oxygen - the oxidizer
3. Water vapor or steam - the buffer

That's all you need.

Aaron is simply mad that I give away better information then the useless mis-information that he sells.

He isn't trying to be a scientist. He isn't doing research. He's simply selling books with "Secrets" in the title. Ooooo, secrets!

Folks, it's the internet. The days of secrets are over, unless Aaron is making up his own.

He has a degree in natural health - he doesn't appear to have much of a background in ANY of this tech.

Money motivations are the real drivers of fraud. How does giving it away make someone a fraud?

Legally, Aaron has many things to worry about. I don't sell anything, so, I can say that.

If the mentality of most of the people here is to "sell, sell, sell", then I have a book to sell, too - and a bridge. (just kidding)

Aaron needs to become a minister, not a quack. It appears he is posing as different users on his own forum, as well - to make it look like he has a backing.

Ugh, disgusting.

[jonabel1971]

Aaron, your font isn't big enough yet for everybody to see it. Bigger. Make it much bigger. People won't know I'm a fraud unless you make it HUGE!

The proof of my fraudulent claims is your OWN BOOK? That YOU are selling? I cannot keep a straight face when you say those things.

Nature boy, you must realize the circular logic in that argument?

You are essentially saying to people, "Don't believe ME that Jon Abel is fraudulent, believe my book!" -

Which leads to, "Come buy my book, to prove Jon's a fraud."

Why are you trying to sabotage your own threads? That doesn't make sense.

Look at it this way - trying to convince you of your lack of knowledge and research is similar to arguing with a 7 year old.

So, yes, "Nature Boy" is perfect for you.
Stick with homeopathics. Then, you might be able to convince people.

Well, maybe....

Since this thread is all about ionization and water fuel, this needs to be posted as a record of someone spreading disinformation about Meyer.

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Jon Abel's claims:

"Discussioners" are wondering why your members have such poor replication success rates. It's because the last two replications were killed by talks of Nitrogen technology that doesn't exist. "

"As for Aaron's advice, you will not find any "Nitrogen technology" by Stan Meyer online."

It looks like twice he had tried to kill discussion of Meyer's Hydrogen technology - by deflecting attention to Nitrogen gas - and then not elaborating on the technology. Aaron is full of crap - he is paid for the lies and abuse he spews. Argon gas was one of the non-combustible gases that Stan spoke of"

When Aaron offers suspect information about Nitrogen, ask him if he is willing to show the proof. If "No.", then that's lying. As far as I am concerned, Aaron has not read a sentence of Stan Meyer literature."

Why should I respect the things you have to say about an alleged Stan Meyer Nitrogen Machine? Nobody else can verify your claim, either."

It's funny how you guys make a big deal about adding ambient air."

"Besides nitrogen-oxides, I have not seen Nitrogen mention in Stan Meyer's documentation."

PROOF THAT JON ABLE IS MAKING FRAUDULENT CLAIMS ABOUT WHAT MEYER DID OR DID NOT SAY OR HAVE IN HIS PATENTS: Water Fuel Secrets

[Aaron]

disinformation agent warning

Since this thread is all about ionization and water fuel, this needs to be posted as a record of someone spreading disinformation about Meyer.

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Jon Abel's claims:

"Discussioners" are wondering why your members have such poor replication success rates. It's because the last two replications were killed by talks of Nitrogen technology that doesn't exist. "

"As for Aaron's advice, you will not find any "Nitrogen technology" by Stan Meyer online."

It looks like twice he had tried to kill discussion of Meyer's Hydrogen technology - by deflecting attention to Nitrogen gas - and then not elaborating on the technology. Aaron is full of crap - he is paid for the lies and abuse he spews. Argon gas was one of the non-combustible gases that Stan spoke of"

When Aaron offers suspect information about Nitrogen, ask him if he is willing to show the proof. If "No.", then that's lying. As far as I am concerned, Aaron has not read a sentence of Stan Meyer literature."

Why should I respect the things you have to say about an alleged Stan Meyer Nitrogen Machine? Nobody else can verify your claim, either."

It's funny how you guys make a big deal about adding ambient air."

"Besides nitrogen-oxides, I have not seen Nitrogen mention in Stan Meyer's documentation."

PROOF THAT JON ABLE IS MAKING FRAUDULENT CLAIMS ABOUT WHAT MEYER DID OR DID NOT SAY OR HAVE IN HIS PATENTS: Water Fuel Secrets

[tutanka]

Hi Alex, how is your research going?

Last summer you showed photos of your interesting, and complicated, parts for your device. It looked like a lot of work with many custom made parts.

What else needs to be done? Any update on fueling the electric generator set?

Cheers,
Mike

You want run an electric generator?

You need:

Air sucked from heated positive ionizer
1LPM of hho gas without filter water vapour (controlled by circuit)
plasma ignition (lower energy)

[adurer]

Conclusions

Deleted. Wrong post.

[Aaron]

plasmatron

My Plasmatron:

Time to test it.

Mybe connect it between the PCV Valve and Intake Manifold..

Dave

Dave, did you ever test it?

Were you simply pulsing an ignition coil at high speed?

[MonsieurM]

i posted this originally in the water spark plug thread, but i think this could be interesting for you guys...

Hello

thank you Aaron for the link on water ionization, one more info i would like to add to the discussion; it is a link which i would highly recommend you watch. The water properties created by this researcher made me think of your water spark plug, and fits perfectly for what you guys are looking for, i think

link:

YouTube - Top Secret Water - 2005 Documentary

starts at 9:53 min.

hope it is a nice add on to a plasma spark plug

let me know what you think...

[BillyHydrogen]

This thread sure died,anyone surprised?

[vrand]

All is based on frequency.. you can use RF or HV .. you don't need only right frequency but also an stable frequency in the time if you want that your system work.. don't understand?? ok.. photo is attached.. need more infos? Im here ..

Hi Alex, how is your research going?

Last summer you showed photos of your interesting, and complicated, parts for your device. It looked like a lot of work with many custom made parts.

What else needs to be done? Any update on fueling the electric generator set?

Cheers,
Mike

[Vickers]

Hey Tutanka... Try non earthed rain water. Ie rain captured in a non conductive vessel. Its the best. ENERGIZED my friend. I mix it with ethanol 50/50 with great results.

[tutanka]

So i need the right frequincy and a steady dc sorce ? Is that straight dc or what. And i assume you mean in the reactor.

In fact don't exist right frequency because you are conditioned from your mechanical parts. An fixed frequency don't help you! You must think about that

[willy]

Help

So i need the right frequincy and a steady dc sorce ? Is that straight dc or what. And i assume you mean in the reactor.

[wolf234]

tutanka and Michael John Nunnerley I have to thank you for being you in this issue brought a little light a lot I think about it and still studying plasma arc while I completely misunderstood
Plazma: Jevy v plazmatu

[tutanka]

Tut are you not sharing info with us any more,did someone piss you off or are you taking a break. Maybe you have decided not to disclose any more information. What ever the case I am still holding my breath on this thread, it was great and I want to know more on your system. Please tut I want to no more,teach me, show me, I beg of you. I am not out to make a buck off your work, Im just an old mechanic with four kids and only one income. I want to save gas money and power my household.

All is based on frequency.. you can use RF or HV .. you don't need only right frequency but also an stable frequency in the time if you want that your system work.. don't understand?? ok.. photo is attached.. need more infos? Im here ..

[willy]

Where is Tutanka

Tut are you not sharing info with us any more,did someone piss you off or are you taking a break. Maybe you have decided not to disclose any more information. What ever the case I am still holding my breath on this thread, it was great and I want to know more on your system. Please tut I want to no more,teach me, show me, I beg of you. I am not out to make a buck off your work, Im just an old mechanic with four kids and only one income. I want to save gas money and power my household.