Ionization & Water Fuel

[Aaron]

nh3

1. One of the main things many of the fans of Meyer is hyped about.
Tim: "Meyers 4th level Oxygen" yep!

2. The sheer volume of nitrogen over oxygen.

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It has been repeated multiple times in this thread that the focus was
on the wrong element. So if the goal is some NH3, then... it should
be common sense.

[tutanka]

YouTube - Oxygen - Periodic Table of Videos

And? You are every focalized on ionization of oxygen? that video show liquid oxygen.. now meyer create that?? Explain ...

[chasson321]

Meyers 4th level Oxygen

last edit...

[tutanka]

The probability of them in a same distance to the "free" electron is 0%, almost impossible. I think it is quantity and position that matters, not quality. What often happen is N vs O, N vs H, O vs H, and among same atom. Also important is the source of ion. If it is O2 then it should be O+ and O-, maybe.

You are go in a closed way.. Meyer start from wfc and go to injection.. what has uncovered? and ionization isn't the same for first and second method used.. in final system ionization have an simple explanation.. Regards

[Aaron]

rethink it

That's cute Steve, but it doesn't account for 2 very important things.

1. One of the main things many of the fans of Meyer is hyped about.
2. The sheer volume of nitrogen over oxygen.

What I said is my last few posts is accurate. Oxygen loses.

Break the Meyer paradigm.

[stevie1001]

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[Aaron]

n vs. o

• A single bond has a bond order of 1.
• a double bond has a bond order of 2.
• A triple bond has a bond order of 3.

In a given pair of atoms, a higher bond order results in a shorter bond length and a higher bond energy. A shorter bond is a stronger bond.



*Information from Chapter 9 in Silberberg's CHEMISTRY: The Molecular Nature of Matter and Change. 4 Ed. pp 341 - 342.

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If the above is understood and ionization is understood, there is no mystery
as to what wins out.

[sucahyo]

I am a member of an energy related research group and also made some experiments to research the explosion and implosion of HHO.
The experimental setup can be found here:

Nice implosion experiments . This deserve an own thread.

I hope you don't mind I post your explanation:
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[sucahyo]

I said: take free electrons. Take an electron seeking single oxygen atom and take a single nitrogen atom.
Both missing 1 electron in orbit.
Who wins?

The probability of them in a same distance to the "free" electron is 0%, almost impossible. I think it is quantity and position that matters, not quality. What often happen is N vs O, N vs H, O vs H, and among same atom. Also important is the source of ion. If it is O2 then it should be O+ and O-, maybe.

[Aaron]

the answer

the bonding between 2 oxygen atom and 2 nitrogen atoms you are right.

The answer is right there Steve.

[stevie1001]

Quite honestly, everyone should forget what Meyer says because he is lying
by omission - this is a fact.

According to your explanation, the bond between O2 should be stronger
than the bond between N2 by virtue of the mass of both oxygen atoms,
which is incorrect.

I just spelled out what he omitted.

Well, Meyer maybe questionable.

About your statement on the bonding between 2 oxygen atom and 2 nitrogen atoms you are right.
However, thats not what i wrote here.
I said: take free electrons. Take an electron seeking single oxygen atom and take a single nitrogen atom.
Both missing 1 electron in orbit.
Who wins?


I also think that you are missing my point here. Feed free floating electrons in the gasmix. Fill both nitrogen and oxygen up with electrons, so the leave the hydrogen atom in peace.
Lesser oxidizer, lesser burn velocity. Matching burnrates of petrol..

[Aaron]

bonds

What i learned by them is that the biggest mass wins.

Quite honestly, everyone should forget what Meyer says because he is lying
by omission - this is a fact.

According to your explanation, the bond between O2 should be stronger
than the bond between N2 by virtue of the mass of both oxygen atoms,
which is incorrect.

I just spelled out what he omitted.

[mogli]

Explosion and implosion of HHO

Hey!

I am new to the forum but not new to the topic.

Hey Stevie. Check out this. YouTube - 75ml hho+kolben Take notice of the vacuum force or implosion force or whatever u wanna call it. How would u build an engine to utilize this force? Not to hard is it?

I am a member of an energy related research group and also made some experiments to research the explosion and implosion of HHO.
The experimental setup can be found here:

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smugB3UNkh8
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgnD8xJy4Kk
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOv97mCOhDw

And the findings can be found here:

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4_MxEhfn8k
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soEwvDuPi3U

A friend of mine (his name is erzketzer1 on youtube) does also a lot of very interesting experiments:
http://http://www.youtube.com/user/erzketzer1#p/u

I hope that's not off-topic.

Cheers!

[stevie1001]

Hey Stevie. Check out this. YouTube - 75ml hho+kolben Take notice of the vacuum force or implosion force or whatever u wanna call it. How would u build an engine to utilize this force? Not to hard is it?

Well, It would be something new.
I ll guess you must have something like 2 pistons in one cylinder?

Stevie

[stevie1001]

Again Steve... UNLESS... what?

To begin with, what makes you think that if oxygen is bigger than nitrogen
that it is the strongest? Is that a fact or your own idea?

Hi Aaron,

I must assume that what my teachers and what wikipedia and lots of other information sources say is right. I havent the knowledge or equipment to test this knowledge. Facts? Yes, i think so.

What i learned by them is that the biggest mass wins. Thats why the oxygen atom that comes from our electrolysis proces wants to combine with the hydrogen atom. This is because the oxygen atom which we have after the electrolysis proces has room left for 2 electrons in his outer shell. By law of quatum mechanics, he must fill it, to get into a stable state.

Stan meyer explained it as well in same of his video's.

If the oxygen atom has filled his shell up, it will not change back into something else. There is no need for or proces that is doing that.
What is left in the mix is hydrogen with 1 electron and nitrogen with some electrons missing.
So, what happens next?

Some hydrogen atoms will bond with nitrogen and we will get Ammonia, which is good, because it levels on the same burn velocity as petrol.
We also have hydrogen atom with a certain amount of oxygen atoms that will bond in the burn proces at the same level as petrol too.
We end up with a much higher efficiency use of the hydrogen we produce.

Stevie


Nitrogen:
7 protons and 7 electrons.
Atomic Mass: 14.00674 molar mass
5 standard electrons in shell 2 and space for 8

Hydrogen:
1 proton and 1 electron.
Atomic Mass: 1.00794 molar mass

Oxygen:
8 protons and 8 electrons
Atomic Mass: 15.9994 molar mass
6 standard electrons in shell 2 and space for 8



Tutanka and i speak about a different proces, btw. He works with waterinjection and i talk about HHO injection.