Ionization & Water Fuel

[stevie1001]

At this time I don't have understand if you use ions for process water, only air or togheter??

The proces is:
HHO injection into intake manifolt
Ionized ambient air into the air intake.

The other option could be HHO and ambient air together thru ionizer and then into the engine.......

Steve

[tutanka]

The question thats on my mind is which type of ions we need.
Do we need the human friendly negative ions or the positive ions from the ambient air?
Tutanka? Others?

My current setup is so that i can make or positive or negative ions.
The negative ions are more fun to test with. The airflow coming out the tube feels cold .....and if you are having a hangover from alcohol these negative ions make you sober in no time....(well, it feels like it do so)



Steve

At this time I don't have understand if you use ions for process water, only air or togheter??

[stevie1001]

+ or -

The question thats on my mind is which type of ions we need.
Do we need the human friendly negative ions or the positive ions from the ambient air?
Tutanka? Others?

My current setup is so that i can make or positive or negative ions.
The negative ions are more fun to test with. The airflow coming out the tube feels cold .....and if you are having a hangover from alcohol these negative ions make you sober in no time....(well, it feels like it do so)



Steve

[sucahyo]

HI Sucahyo,
Your project is build gas processor? and how you want process??

First step is to see if ionizer increase rpm. Will see if sparking surface is better than non sparking one. Currently testing on experiment table by smelling ozone. If it work will try with water spray and see if the gas processor can ionize water droplet fast enough.

If I can made a complete hho cells, will try it with hho output too. The gas processor should at least prevent H2 and O2 from hho booster output from recombining longer than few seconds.

[tutanka]

Thanks .

Just like what jetijs mention, spark is not needed in the electrode. And it seems even sound of invisible spark is unwanted too.

HI Sucahyo,
Your project is build gas processor? and how you want process??

[sucahyo]

sucahyo,

Sounds nice.

Thanks .

Just like what jetijs mention, spark is not needed in the electrode. And it seems even sound of invisible spark is unwanted too.

[Slovenia]

sucahyo,

Sounds nice.

[sucahyo]

Hi Sucahyo,
How proceed your work/study?

Sucess in building the ionizer with the help of 4 x 2.2 MOhm resistor. I rectify current with 4 diode in series. Still not try it on verhicle yet. Currently try to run it for hours. The transistor is cool.

555 based driving car coil, draw 80mA at 12V.

Still figuring out a way to isolate the voltage leak. Even the transistor is sparking now. And when the output is near any metal or ground object it start sparking. Still use small gap though. Will try to make it bigger.

[tutanka]

Ok, thanks .

Hi Sucahyo,
How proceed your work/study?

[sucahyo]

Sorry but what you want obtain from reaction?? You need to know how appear when you use UV field. If you use UV-C field you obtain some O3 (ozone), if you use UV-A field you obtain ionization of water.. you have to see Lens experiment. But if you want start casually tests you lost only time and moneys

Ok, thanks .

[tutanka]

Why should we avoid ozone? If the reaction produce ozone then it should make the other gas react better too?

Sorry but what you want obtain from reaction?? You need to know how appear when you use UV field. If you use UV-C field you obtain some O3 (ozone), if you use UV-A field you obtain ionization of water.. you have to see Lens experiment. But if you want start casually tests you lost only time and moneys

[sucahyo]

You can use UV tube but >300nm of wavelenght (see Lens experiment), because if you use normal UV-C lamp you obtaion some ozone from reaction. but why change method if work better? tube cell is great idea. Don't have sense for me add as central tube an UV lamp.

Why should we avoid ozone? If the reaction produce ozone then it should make the other gas react better too?

[sucahyo]

Hi sucahyo
You are right, the output should be DC, but as I said, I am using flyback transformers from old crt monitors and they have integrated diodes in them so the output is pulsed DC

I see, thanks .

[tutanka]

Mike,

Thank you.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

You can use UV tube but >300nm of wavelenght (see Lens experiment), because if you use normal UV-C lamp you obtaion some ozone from reaction. but why change method if work better? tube cell is great idea. Don't have sense for me add as central tube an UV lamp.

[Slovenia]

Thank You

Hi sucahyo

Well found, just a little change:-

The first patent you quote here is the way to go, but you use a UV fl tube, one wire to tube and the other to a screan around it with a gap for the air to pass, all encased in a plastic tube

Mike

Mike,

Thank you.

Best Regards,
Slovenia