Ionization & Water Fuel

[sucahyo]

You can use UV tube but >300nm of wavelenght (see Lens experiment), because if you use normal UV-C lamp you obtaion some ozone from reaction. but why change method if work better? tube cell is great idea. Don't have sense for me add as central tube an UV lamp.

Why should we avoid ozone? If the reaction produce ozone then it should make the other gas react better too?

[tutanka]

Why should we avoid ozone? If the reaction produce ozone then it should make the other gas react better too?

Sorry but what you want obtain from reaction?? You need to know how appear when you use UV field. If you use UV-C field you obtain some O3 (ozone), if you use UV-A field you obtain ionization of water.. you have to see Lens experiment. But if you want start casually tests you lost only time and moneys

[sucahyo]

Sorry but what you want obtain from reaction?? You need to know how appear when you use UV field. If you use UV-C field you obtain some O3 (ozone), if you use UV-A field you obtain ionization of water.. you have to see Lens experiment. But if you want start casually tests you lost only time and moneys

Ok, thanks .

[tutanka]

Ok, thanks .

Hi Sucahyo,
How proceed your work/study?

[sucahyo]

Hi Sucahyo,
How proceed your work/study?

Sucess in building the ionizer with the help of 4 x 2.2 MOhm resistor. I rectify current with 4 diode in series. Still not try it on verhicle yet. Currently try to run it for hours. The transistor is cool.

555 based driving car coil, draw 80mA at 12V.

Still figuring out a way to isolate the voltage leak. Even the transistor is sparking now. And when the output is near any metal or ground object it start sparking. Still use small gap though. Will try to make it bigger.

[Slovenia]

sucahyo,

Sounds nice.

[sucahyo]

sucahyo,

Sounds nice.

Thanks .

Just like what jetijs mention, spark is not needed in the electrode. And it seems even sound of invisible spark is unwanted too.

[tutanka]

Thanks .

Just like what jetijs mention, spark is not needed in the electrode. And it seems even sound of invisible spark is unwanted too.

HI Sucahyo,
Your project is build gas processor? and how you want process??

[sucahyo]

HI Sucahyo,
Your project is build gas processor? and how you want process??

First step is to see if ionizer increase rpm. Will see if sparking surface is better than non sparking one. Currently testing on experiment table by smelling ozone. If it work will try with water spray and see if the gas processor can ionize water droplet fast enough.

If I can made a complete hho cells, will try it with hho output too. The gas processor should at least prevent H2 and O2 from hho booster output from recombining longer than few seconds.

[stevie1001]

+ or -

The question thats on my mind is which type of ions we need.
Do we need the human friendly negative ions or the positive ions from the ambient air?
Tutanka? Others?

My current setup is so that i can make or positive or negative ions.
The negative ions are more fun to test with. The airflow coming out the tube feels cold .....and if you are having a hangover from alcohol these negative ions make you sober in no time....(well, it feels like it do so)



Steve

[tutanka]

The question thats on my mind is which type of ions we need.
Do we need the human friendly negative ions or the positive ions from the ambient air?
Tutanka? Others?

My current setup is so that i can make or positive or negative ions.
The negative ions are more fun to test with. The airflow coming out the tube feels cold .....and if you are having a hangover from alcohol these negative ions make you sober in no time....(well, it feels like it do so)



Steve

At this time I don't have understand if you use ions for process water, only air or togheter??

[stevie1001]

At this time I don't have understand if you use ions for process water, only air or togheter??

The proces is:
HHO injection into intake manifolt
Ionized ambient air into the air intake.

The other option could be HHO and ambient air together thru ionizer and then into the engine.......

Steve

[tutanka]

The proces is:
HHO injection into intake manifolt
Ionized ambient air into the air intake.

The other option could be HHO and ambient air together thru ionizer and then into the engine.......

Steve

Steve,
Your words don't have sense for me.. how you want obtain as result? What is your chemical formula? As I have previously written nothing is magic.. Regards

[sucahyo]

The question thats on my mind is which type of ions we need.

I don't think using only one of them would be easy, we will be forced to use both. So I think the geometry is important.

[stevie1001]

Steve,
Your words don't have sense for me.. how you want obtain as result? What is your chemical formula? As I have previously written nothing is magic.. Regards

I think we all read the theory. Creating a new kind of molecule which burns slower then the basic HHO.
So, what are the options?

We have:
Ionized Nitrogen, oxygen, hydrogen.

I hope we can get some Ammonia at the end, to be honest.


Suc: Why you think we need + and - ions? The ionized atoms all want stability.
So, if they are missing electrons, they WILL steel it. They take free floating electrons or the seek a bond with other atoms...

I seek a way to let them combine into ammonia atoms, which is a better fuel for ICE then HHO.

Steve