Water Sparkplug

[vzon17]

Would a wider rotor tip on the end of the distributor rotor allow for a longer spark dwell from 6 BTDC to 15 ATDC ?

...Just need a coil that can spark continuously for the duration of time the rotor is passing under the cap conductor...

Might help those guys running older conventional distributor engines
Simply get a rotor for your distributor that has a wider tip (3/4") or make it wider and adjust the position of the cap/dist to start firing when the edge touches the cap electrode for that cylinder # 1 ( retard a bit)..

any comments?

Yeah that would be a good thing. to 15 degrees is plenty at about 2000 rpm the piston is travelling faster that the gas burn and expansion anyway so going much further than that would be pointless. most power is applied from TDC to about 12 degrees and after that its just waste. So the idea is to get all combusiton finished by that time and then quenched. I think you get about 5 milliseconds to apply power. normal gas burns for about 25 miliseconds. for a real detailed description of the combustion process get the book called Super Gas saver secrets by Eagle research. Once that is revealed it makes it easier to boost up the efficiency of the process. Shorter burn, less fuel, fire put out by the time exhaust valves open. the HHO helps with that because t speeds up the combustion. Water helps with it as it helps put out the fire and create more expansion.

[TRON]

Question To All...

Would a wider rotor tip on the end of the distributor rotor allow for a longer spark dwell from 6 BTDC to 15 ATDC ?

...Just need a coil that can spark continuously for the duration of time the rotor is passing under the cap conductor...

Might help those guys running older conventional distributor engines
Simply get a rotor for your distributor that has a wider tip (3/4") or make it wider and adjust the position of the cap/dist to start firing when the edge touches the cap electrode for that cylinder # 1 ( retard a bit)..

any comments?

[aljhoa]

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[vzon17]

I sadly missed the boat on purchasing one of the few units offered for sale, though I still desperately wish to acquire one to run my silver electrode Firestorms with.

Hopefully Aquapulser will begin responding to my requests and can get a suitable unit to me once they build some more.

You got one, and Robin got one, that accounts for 2 of the seven they told me they had available, so there are still 5 of that batch unaccounted for.

If anyone has purchased an RPG 4700, yet have no suitable plugs to fire, and are willing to assist further research on Firestorm, then perhaps they might consider sending the unit to me for testing purposes.

I guess I did get lucky then. used my last dough to get it.

Had an interesting idea for ignition. I was testing a neon sign transformer and connecting it across a spark plug, it was a 9000 volt neon sign transfromer.
Jumped the gap no problem. so I widend the gap on the plug still jumped. then I cut off the ground electrode completely and ground the metal case down clean. neon sign transformer still jumped the gap no problem. So I orderd some solid state relays that can handle 12 amps at 480 VAC and I am going to switch the neon sign transformer on and off with the relay activated by the points eventullay. If it works it may replace my ignition coil on my car. then I will cut off all the ground electrodes so the spark jumps from the center electrode across to the ground shell. I will see if the engine runs with that setup. If it does I was thinking to rectify the neon sign transformer so its putting out DC and then add some high voltage caps to boost the current. Almost there with plasma spark then if the caps are big enough.

Then next stage may be get a dedicated alternator and rewire the stator for maximium voltage and run it through some voltage doublers to get 3 or 400 volts output and charge a cap with that and use it as the power source for water spark plug circuit instead of an inverter. so I will have a dedicated alternator pumping up caps for the water sparkplug circuit and could also use some of the alternator high voltage output to feed a HOH genetaror as well.
Mad scinetist here. LOL
maybe on top of that add a water injection via ultrasonic fog.
well I can dream can't I ?

Probably just use the RPG 4700 for now though. gotta start somewhere.

[vzon17]

Custom made by Robin David from one of the forums. I'll sell you my nickel ones for $500.00 and the Beryllium-Copper ones for $300.00 ... I have 5 of those ... one never used.

Well right now I'm cleaned out from buying parts. How many is that I have a 6 cylinder engine. mabye when I,m rich again I'll get ahold of you.

[rosco1]

Lucky man

I purchased an RPG 4700 plasma ignition system,

I sadly missed the boat on purchasing one of the few units offered for sale, though I still desperately wish to acquire one to run my silver electrode Firestorms with.

Hopefully Aquapulser will begin responding to my requests and can get a suitable unit to me once they build some more.

You got one, and Robin got one, that accounts for 2 of the seven they told me they had available, so there are still 5 of that batch unaccounted for.

If anyone has purchased an RPG 4700, yet have no suitable plugs to fire, and are willing to assist further research on Firestorm, then perhaps they might consider sending the unit to me for testing purposes.

[gmeast]

plugs

Did you have those custom made or find a supplier?
I would be intersted in that. I purchased an RPG 4700 plasma ignition system, it does what the water spark plug circuit does bump a cap through the spark plug when the cap fires. I decided to buy one so I didn't have to bulid one from scratch. Using the firstorm plugs with that would be sweet.

Custom made by Robin David from one of the forums. I'll sell you my nickel ones for $500.00 and the Beryllium-Copper ones for $300.00 ... I have 5 of those ... one never used.

[vzon17]

Sory if im off topic but i thought i really had to say this.

If you take a carful look at most of the water sparkplug schematics out there it seems very similar to Edwin Gray's "splitting the positive" conversion tube setup on his patent which in turn is similar in principal to Tesla's disruptive discharge circuit and even shares some small similarities with Avramenko's plug.

Youve got the high voltage transformers, the high voltage pulse caps, the arc gap, the unidirectional spiked pulses etc.

It just seems that each of these inventions incorporates different aspects of radiant phenomenae to me and that they're different ways of achieveing the same thing.

Actual quite on topic, if we are actually using pulse technology in an engine seems like all sorts of improvization and modifcations could be developed. maybe te the point where we have an engine running on energy pulled from the vaccum. Or teslas pulse technology.

[vzon17]

I have been selling stuff and just today I removed the Firestorm plugs from my Bug, re-enabled the automatic choke, re-timed, tuned and installed the stock jets, in preparation for selling it.

Now that it has been restored I must say that the difference between how it drove with the Firestorms vs how it runs stock is drastic! I can't tell you what a 'dog' it once again is.

Those plasma generating plugs had a huge impact ... ran lean, no choke needed, 40% better mileage, etc., and on, and on.

Someone should continue researching the Firestorm plugs!

Greg

Did you have those custom made or find a supplier?
I would be intersted in that. I purchased an RPG 4700 plasma ignition system, it does what the water spark plug circuit does bump a cap through the spark plug when the cap fires. I decided to buy one so I didn't have to bulid one from scratch. Using the firstorm plugs with that would be sweet.

[gmeast]

restored to stock

I have been selling stuff and just today I removed the Firestorm plugs from my Bug, re-enabled the automatic choke, re-timed, tuned and installed the stock jets, in preparation for selling it.

Now that it has been restored I must say that the difference between how it drove with the Firestorms vs how it runs stock is drastic! I can't tell you what a 'dog' it once again is.

Those plasma generating plugs had a huge impact ... ran lean, no choke needed, 40% better mileage, etc., and on, and on.

Someone should continue researching the Firestorm plugs!

Greg

[vzon17]

Possible idea for circuit simplification.

I like this board, I post an idea here and nobody says anything and then I see it here a couple months later from somebody else that is developing it. so here is another one for you guys.

I thought this up but have not tried it yet. I ordered a strobe tube to try it when it arrives. Its real simple connect a xenon strobe tube in series with a capacitor and the spark plug. then whet the ignition fires you get you regular spark which at the same time fires the xenon flash tube which then dumps the cap through the spark plug for the plasma effect. tube them becomes an open circuit so cap can be recharged again. maybe this could eliminate some circuit components. I will try it myself when I get the strobe tube.

could use a regular strobe charing ciruit to charge the cap just elimitate the trigger coil and use the car ignition in its place. One such circuit would sit with each spark plug.

Sory if im off topic but i thought i really had to say this.

If you take a carful look at most of the water sparkplug schematics out there it seems very similar to Edwin Gray's "splitting the positive" conversion tube setup on his patent which in turn is similar in principal to Tesla's disruptive discharge circuit and even shares some small similarities with Avramenko's plug.

Youve got the high voltage transformers, the high voltage pulse caps, the arc gap, the unidirectional spiked pulses etc.

It just seems that each of these inventions incorporates different aspects of radiant phenomenae to me and that they're different ways of achieveing the same thing.

[glenn_aircooled]

Most impressed with you People's work. Encourage you to keep going.
Glenn.

[gmeast]

Apology to the tread

Dear thread,

I really apologize for taking up thread bandwidth with my last two posts addressing someone called "Jack". His name is really "John", apparently. If anyone wants to hear an account of the most bizarre experience I've ever had with any contact I've ever met publicly from these energy threads please PM me. At least the guy bought my video.

Again, sorry.

[gmeast]

Hey Jack!

Hey Jack. Thanks for the visit. Too bad I can't PM you because you never sign in so I'll do it here ... again
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Greg

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