Water Sparkplug

[Ansis Freimanis]

Hi!

OK, let’s start! I am about Jetijs scheme. It’s mistake, but genius!!! Little explanation: Jetijs make some feedback(I speak with him some minutes ago), but he don’t understand at first. Let’s look at picture! (Figure1) Strange is that: he is not made spark do an ordinary job, but if we take a closer look we see this (Figure2) spark recharges/ discharges through primary inductance. And that is our feedback. If we start look to next... we see (figure3) diodes in forward/ backward direction and circuit of voltage multiplier. It’s no ordinary- diodes (15 of them) are making circuit good conduct to one direction, but to other it is VERY BIG RESISTANCE!!! You see??? And after all voltage multiplier make ONE big EFFECT!!! This circuit makes the current go FORWARD and BACKWARD!!! It’s the answer! In start moment capacitors (voltage multiplier) are empty, but after start period current (going forward/ backward) make capacitors full, and Voltage are rising and RPM go high!!! But- we need understand: capacitors must be good quality (paper/oil, or other- no electrolyte!). Be happy!

[smw1998a]

[Peter Lindemann]

What's the Goal?

broli,
for plasma bursts at such high frequency I need a high frequency charger for the booster side. Maybe another Bedini oscillator, because if I will charge the booster cap from a variac or inverter, then not all the discharges will be intensified.

Jetijs,

I haven't posted much recently, but your work continues to be EXCELLENT. By your own persistent efforts in the last year and a half, you have raised yourself up to being one of the premier experimental researchers in the world who also publishes his work in the public domain. Congratulations!

In relation to spark frequencies needed to run your generator, I don't understand the need for these extremely high frequency tests. As I understand it, for your generator to produce 50hz AC power, it only needs to turn at 3000 RPM. Is this correct? For those here in the States, the generators will want to run at 3600 RPM to produce 60hz AC power.

For your generator, that is only 50 revolutions per second and only 25 ignition sparks per second to run the generator at rated speed. So, if your circuit is stable at 40hz (with the waste spark eliminated) you can run the generator at rated speed with no problems.

I recommend that you switch back to the capacitor size that operated in this range, so that each spark you produce has the maximum number of Joules of energy in it for your charging system. Also, if you drop your trigger resistor from 4k to about 2k, you should still be able to run cool enough, but you will be able to charge the cap twice as fast. Worst case scenario is you would have to heat sink the transistor.

At these speeds, your line powered booster cap charging system should be able to keep up just fine to run the engine on any level of boost you want. If not, what am I missing?

Keep up the great work,

Peter

[Jetijs]

broli,
for plasma bursts at such high frequency I need a high frequency charger for the booster side. Maybe another Bedini oscillator, because if I will charge the booster cap from a variac or inverter, then not all the discharges will be intensified.

[broli]

Yes, this is just an ordinary CDI circuit with no booster side attached, that is why you see ordinary sparks. This should make my generator run smoother, because now the caps are charging at much higher frequency.

Oke. Let me beg you for this. Please make a video of the plasma spark outside the engine. I want to see that show at a few hundred hertz . I would pay to see it . Be carefull though you don't create black holes or something . And please don't forget to protect your eyes, you're too valuable .

[Jetijs]

This might sound stupid but is that high frequency system using a conventional spark circuit? Because most videos here show a big plasma spark. Very good work though.

Yes, this is just an ordinary CDI circuit with no booster side attached, that is why you see ordinary sparks. This should make my generator run smoother, because now the caps are charging at much higher frequency.

[jstadwater]

Thanks Wilber for those posts!!

I found a set of Champion plugs that are resister-less, they work great. They are for a Chevy 350 # is S59YC. Thanks for the pics you posted, that helps. I am working now on wiring up the circuit, I hope to have it hooked up on this old Wheel Horse tractor, cam driven points system, later today. I'll keep yall posted. I work fater when I'm not typing back to wiring, wish me luck. Later.............................Mike

[broli]

Hi Gibs,
As Peter has said before, there is no need for the self oscillator for a bridge rectifier because since we put in a DC pulse in the coil, the output would essentially also be a DC pulse and the cap (or battery) charges a bit better if only one diode is used on the output instead of a bridge rectifier. Also if I can go up ti 1.5KHz with the discharges, there is no need for the caps to charge faster, this is already more that we need. I made a video about this circuit:
YouTube - CDI ignition system with a Bedini oscillator

Thanks,
Jetijs

This might sound stupid but is that high frequency system using a conventional spark circuit? Because most videos here show a big plasma spark. Very good work though.

[Jetijs]

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Way to go Jetijs,

The simplicity of your pump circuit is astounding, great work.

It would be interesting to replace the two diodes by a bridge rectifier to see if the capacitor would charge faster and to compare the current draws. Thanks for posting your findings.
Cheers

Hi Gibs,
As Peter has said before, there is no need for the self oscillator for a bridge rectifier because since we put in a DC pulse in the coil, the output would essentially also be a DC pulse and the cap (or battery) charges a bit better if only one diode is used on the output instead of a bridge rectifier. Also if I can go up ti 1.5KHz with the discharges, there is no need for the caps to charge faster, this is already more that we need. I made a video about this circuit:
YouTube - CDI ignition system with a Bedini oscillator

Thanks,
Jetijs

[Wilber]

Jstadwter
the nexus circuit does not work with resistor plugs.

[Gibs]

Pump alternatives

Hi, guys.
To help solve the charge pump issue, I thougt this idea it's a little bit better than the inverter.
Inverters work at 50-60Hz (sine signal). After passing the bridge rectifier, the frecquency becomes 100-120Hz.
Now, why use (and sometimes burn... ) inverters to charge capacitors when your car allready has a better oscilator device as standard?! I was talking about the CAR'S ALTERNATOR.
It makes the electrical energy for the car. The current is AC type and has hundred of Hz at idle. As the engine's rpm rises, the frecquwncy rises also. Adding a bridge rectifier, it doubles the frecquency!
So, that is what I suggest:
alternator -> usual 7.5V/230V transformer -> bridge rectifier -> capacitor.
Yes, it's not as good as a DC-DC converter that works at much higher frecquency, but it's better than inverters. And yes, the bigger the transformer, the quicker the capacitor is charged.
Look at the schematic attached.
All the best for all.

Hi Kinetix,

I like your idea.

If I get this right, we would have to tap directly before the voltage regulator, this way this would prevent from overloading it.

My only concern is the windings of the alternator.
Considering a full demand from the car circuits, will there be enough power left?

By the way, if it is viable this is a great idea.

Keep up

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Way to go Jetijs,

The simplicity of your pump circuit is astounding, great work.

It would be interesting to replace the two diodes by a bridge rectifier to see if the capacitor would charge faster and to compare the current draws. Thanks for posting your findings.

Also, about the unexplained variac phenomena, when it is connected I would expect the tripler capacitors to start charging backward relative to the schematic. Is this true?

Cheers

[Wilber]

Nexus replication

Jstadwater
Here is the schematic .my capasitor is actually 2 ,a 10 uf start cap and a 15uf start cap it will work with either but is stronger with both , the diodes i tried with one string of 7 it worked but drowned when sprayed with water very easily with 3 strings it is much harder to drown . I used a 555 chip with a rfp50n06 mosfet to pulse the coil 1 hz to 34 hz when doing bench tests .The coil does get a full 12 volts and gets warm . when i hooked it to the points on the motor it ran great for 5 minutes then the electrodes on the plug fused together and lv side shorts out now ?? This motor has external points that run off the cam (no waste spark) .I will try a micro switch instead of points so the coil will fire when the switch opens on the cams down stroke to retard the timing (for hho) and reduce the amount of time the coil gets 12 volts (less heat) . I tried using the magneto but no luck yet with it .
Will

[freepoint]

high voltage - links

hello,

these links are not "new", but, perhaps interesting;

Kronjaeger.com

http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm

good luck.

[gotoluc]

Hi all.
Today I tested my generator some more, but I can't get the RPM's constant and smooth as it is with the stock ignition and magneto setup. I suppose the 50Hz AC from the variac is to blame for this, also I can see the light bulb getting brighter and dimmer in a wave fashion. This is also a sign that the 50Hz is causing trouble, because this way the caps are not always charged up to the same voltage. And this is without a booster side. I guess I will have to make a DC to DC step up converter that works at much higher frequency to solve this problem.

Anyway, I decided to try a different test. I wanted just to attach the LV side to the stock ignition coil at stock timings and see what happens. At first it was not working, because the HV impulse form the stock ignition coil was with a negative polarity, so I switched the LV side wires around. At first I just wanted to see if it will work with the LV side connected, but not turned ON. I was very surprised when I heard an increase in the RPM just by plugging the LV side voltage quadrupler into the variac, because the variac was NOT plugged in the wall outlet. When I pulled the quadrupler leads out of the variac, the RPM's decreased. I did this several times and every time it worked the same. This is the schematic I used:


If we look at the diagram, we see that all the diodes already form the basic water spark circuit by blocking the ignition coil negative HV output to ground, so why does the effect happen only if the quadrupler is connected to the variac?

Here is a video about this:
YouTube - Stock ignition boosted/not boosted with LV side

What do you guys think?

Hi Jetijs,

I was away for a day so I just read your post and find that very interesting indeed

Looks like your variac coil was receiving some of the HV pulses and feeding it back once connected. I think this could also be happening with Bill's Nexus circuit as he was not able to understand why so little current was used from the inverter. Maybe we don't even need an inverter.

Keep studying this please as it maybe very important.

Thanks for the video and sharing.

Luc

[mrbreau]

Two Things

First of all: since some of you guys were using relays and were having problems with them, you might consider these;
Link; Reed Relays

Secondly: Jetij's video with his variac went without explanations. Here is one possibility, though I don't know if you can get to see the post without joining the group. If you can't see the post I'll copy and paste it here.


Link; Yahoo! Groups

Warren
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