Bedini Earth Light

[plengo]

Yes I have. I have cells from 1/4" inch height up to 12" and the total current output seems to not have any linear correlation. It is very much limited to small amperage.

Putting many cells in parallel or in series did not behave as expected. THey seems to fight each other and balance to a certain current. Voltage DOES increase linearly.

My 1/4" height cells seems to be the winner in output and constant over time. My 2" height cells is also very good.

Fausto.

[Neight]

Hello all
After a 7 hour run on my oscillator, my battery had used up all it's water, and the light was barely putting out anything at all...
I would like to find a easy way to seal this up, and keep as much evaporation out of the equation as possible, but it sure seems like it is consuming a lot of water at the moment. just a few drops added to it perked it right back up to full power though, so that is encouraging
It would be nice to figure out a way to feed water to the battery along the lines of Lidmotor's test from his video several days back.
I am thinking of trying to find a drip feed method that would only drip one drop on the edge of the battery once or twice an hour, though I am not even sure it is possible to control the drip rate without some kind of control system in place.
Will have to do some thinking on that one...
either way, I am glad to see it working so well, and I will keep you guys updated
N8

[cgalvisardila]

The amp reading on a cell with a Hematite electrode. Amp reading on Hematite Rock Electrode - YouTube


different spots on the rock and different hematite rocks give different kinds of amp readings. You must find the sweet spot on the rock just like you would with a crystal detector on a crystal radio. Also what Electrodes you use with the rock also will affect the reading and how big it is too. In the video I used tap water and small aluminum wire.

hey, not bad at all, definitely worth looking into it

[jehdds]

Guys,

Here is another compound that I have used to make cells that digest water akin to what John's cells do. TiO2 is worth exploring as a constituent.

"The photocatalytic properties of titanium dioxide were discovered by Akira Fujishima in 1967[27] and published in 1972.[28] The process on the surface of the titanium dioxide was called the Honda-Fujishima effect.[27] Titanium dioxide has potential for use in energy production: as a photocatalyst, it can carry out hydrolysis; i.e., break water into hydrogen and oxygen. Were the hydrogen collected, it could be used as a fuel. The efficiency of this process can be greatly improved by doping the oxide with carbon.[29] Further efficiency and durability has been obtained by introducing disorder to the lattice structure of the surface layer of titanium dioxide nanocrystals, permitting infrared absorption.[30]

This disassociation may be one mechanism of current production in these cells as well.

Titanium dioxide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Very Best Regards,
Jim

[ibpointless2]

The amp reading on a cell with a Hematite electrode. Amp reading on Hematite Rock Electrode - YouTube


different spots on the rock and different hematite rocks give different kinds of amp readings. You must find the sweet spot on the rock just like you would with a crystal detector on a crystal radio. Also what Electrodes you use with the rock also will affect the reading and how big it is too. In the video I used tap water and small aluminum wire.

[jehdds]

Guys,
Here is a macroscopic precedent for how our cells may work.
Antarctic salty soil sucks water out of atmosphere: Could it happen on Mars?
Very Best Regards,
Jim

[ibpointless2]

Thas real interesting, thanks man... im ordering my hematites now... if the cells work with the mix the same way with good current, thats great, no more corrosion problems, what about the current? im really curious man, all of us wanna see the current reading... cheers, good job

You don't have to worry about the hematite corroding because its already in its corroded state.

[Neight]

Neight,
That is right it does not make any difference, the only difference is the spacing between electrodes. But these crystals grow and push away from each other, then the current goes down. The metals have a fixed potential and that is the way it is. To get the current you need to make it look like the plates in a storage battery, this is going to take some doing but it can be done. I have done that experiment and it works.
John B

Thanks so much for the response John
You pretty well confirmed what I was thinking about the contact surface area of the plates, and caused me to go look up storage battery construction.
After looking through some images of storage batteries, I went ahead and put two cells together and made myself a battery
I used the same mix in both cells, with paper towels separating each layer, and a dry paper towel between the two individual cells.
on the meters, I can now get just a bit over 1v and shorted over 2mA.
This thing is still really sensitive to how much water I use in it, too much and I get lower output, too little and I get almost no output.
I made a video showing what I have here, and also showing the light going out at certain current ranges.
I have to run some more tests, but for the moment, I am going to let this thing set and see how long it lasts without adding water, and how much adding water brings it back.
I will keep you guys updated, but I am pretty excited with the results I am getting, and happy to be going in the right direction

The video is uploading, and I will post the link when it is ready
thanks!

N8

After posting this, I realized I made a mistake in hooking the cells up in series, as that is not a storage battery. I went ahead and hooked them up in parallel, and got much brighter light out of the LED! In parallel, shorted on the meter, it makes over 500mV and just a bit over 3mA. in series I was getting around 1v at 1-2mA, so much better current output. I was really suprised at how much brighter the LED got, and I will keep playing with this and see how much I can improve the results!

here is the video link -
2 cells = 1 battery - YouTube
and I will post another link shortly showing the battery with the cells hooked in parallel instead of in series. I am also quickly show a few other short tests I did in the meantime

and now for video 2 -
2cells=1 battery (part 2) + crystal cell battery charger, and foolsgold quarts cell! - YouTube
this one just shows the light output of the two cells hooked in parallel, along with using this 2 cell battery to run a joule ringer AA battery charger, and a very quick demo using different rocks and crystals as electrodes.
enjoy

[Lidmotor]

AM radio chip on Ebay

@John and Chuck

Here the link to the AM radio chip on Ebay. Two for $5 encluding shipping. Comes from Rhode Island-- NOT China. Good supplier and fast.

TA7642 Replaces MK484/ZN414 Single Chip AM Radio: 2-Lot | eBay

Here is some circuit ideas using the chip---

Alan Yates' Laboratory - MK484 MW Receiver

Lidmotor

[John_Bedini]

That is right it does not make any difference

Neight,
That is right it does not make any difference, the only difference is the spacing between electrodes. But these crystals grow and push away from each other, then the current goes down. The metals have a fixed potential and that is the way it is. To get the current you need to make it look like the plates in a storage battery, this is going to take some doing but it can be done. I have done that experiment and it works.
John B

[chuck H]

PM

@All
I have been working on a AM radio to use with the newer cystal cells that put out more power. I made one that will work and operate a ceramic earphone but I really want one that will drive a speaker. It is amazing how much harder that is. Here is where I am with the project so far---

Simple Low Power AM Radio Project. - YouTube


Lidmotor

Rusty, I sent you a PM

Chuck

[John_Bedini]

Amplifier for crystal batteries

Lidmotor,
Ok, I have something I'm working on that is a little complicated but I will make you a circuit board for the amplifier 1.5 to 2 Ma differential drive amplifier using current mirrors hopefully I will get it running in the next couple of days.
Update on the Negistor. backwards jewel Thief. it is still running at 1.2v and has been this way for the second day now. the battery is driving 3 super bright led's form different parts of the circuit. If it is still at that same level I will video it with diagram tomorrow. Can you send link for AM chip?
John B

[Lidmotor]

Quest for low low power AM Radio for crystal cells

@All
I have been working on a AM radio to use with the newer cystal cells that put out more power. I made one that will work and operate a ceramic earphone but I really want one that will drive a speaker. It is amazing how much harder that is. Here is where I am with the project so far---

Simple Low Power AM Radio Project. - YouTube


Lidmotor

[cgalvisardila]

A video showing the hematite and proving i'm not getting voltage from the alligator clip lead.

Hematite Electrode Magnetic and Gold electrodes - YouTube

Thas real interesting, thanks man... im ordering my hematites now... if the cells work with the mix the same way with good current, thats great, no more corrosion problems, what about the current? im really curious man, all of us wanna see the current reading... cheers, good job

[Neight]