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[CrystalDipoleMatrix]

Iron pyrite/iron oxide III positive electrode

@IBPOINTLESS2: I have made the same test as you but with iron pyrite and copper and it shows .25 volts with copper as the negative electrode. I have made a cell with the iron pyrite rock (positive) and galvanized steel (negative). Alum,epson salt and rochelle salt in paper towel for the electrolite. It gaves me about 1.5 volts and a steady shorting current accross a 10 ohms resistor of 2 milliamps since a couple of hours. Looks very promising to me!!! It's the iron oxide III that gives you so much voltage. We all can make some ''rust'' at home with electrolysis principle. No iron pyrite doping anymore for me.....No more copper as the positive eletrode....Now it's iron pyrite for the positive and copper oxide I/II for the doping!!

[Herbie687]

Charting

NickZ,
This can be proved that this is wrong, Why, Because pennies are made from Zinc. So he has a penny that is copper plated on one side and a shiny penny which the zinc is exposed so you do have two dissimilar metals combined with the Rochelle Salts, Epsom salts and some copper flakes which do nothing.

This is just BS as you see no charting at all, you can not prove a thing here, yes the Led lights but we have no power measurements at all.
Not real science, just yes I put it together and it works, well you can do that and get the led to run for six days too.

The real question is come back in two years and is the Led still lit.
Crystals are very complex things and follow an order according to the structure.

I want to see the current with a meter and some form of charting from day to day. This is the only way to tell if the cell is performing, not just quick measurements.
It is bad enough watching John H say im adding a electrode and not knowing what the positive pole is. Hogwash nothing is proven here.

By the way, nothing is perpetual as the sun burns out one day and your ass is gone forever. no such thing as perpetual motion.
John B

Maybe you guys are not aware of modes that DSO's have. I have an early DSO from 1984 that I bought on ebay that has a "Roll" Mode. In the roll mode, instead of seeing a repetitive signal over time, you are seeing all voltage over time, as the instantaneus dc value of the circuit is seen "rolling" as time goes by. The x-axis of time is moving right to left instead of being repeated. It is of upmost importance that we start using the "Roll" Mode for analysis! It shows us and the world graphically what is happening, CLEARLY. This is also very similar to the Graphic DMM that John B used in his videos that he bought from Radioshack.

I saw today that John B refered to his Graphic DMM as "Charting".We need to start charting again. There is so much to be learned that way.
The Roll Mode is very useful on a DSO for high resolution charting for seconds and minutes. You need a Graphic DMM inorder to chart for longer than that though.
I will create a YouTube account and post some vids of testing & charting upon consent of my partners.

[Herbie687]

As predicted...

A video showing the hematite and proving i'm not getting voltage from the alligator clip lead.

Hematite Electrode Magnetic and Gold electrodes - YouTube

I knew the Aligator Clip wasn't gonna produce the 2V. All the clip is, is steel, and so the electronegativity is 1.84 for iron.
Gold's Electronegativity is .01 less than Carbon, and so it will perform similarly to it. The aluminium definetly pairs nicely with the rock for that 1.5V. I like that.
Thanks for proving it though.

[ibpointless2]

A video showing the hematite and proving i'm not getting voltage from the alligator clip lead.

Hematite Electrode Magnetic and Gold electrodes - YouTube

[Herbie687]

Much testing still needs to be done with this type of rock and many others like it, I keep finding more and more things. I hope this will make the crystal cells much stronger.

You're welcome dude! This is going to be a HUGE help for all of us. Me and my partners have been always struggling with boosting power output of the soild state cells. Now I want to see how this will go using the rochelle and epsom mix and I most likely will try it.
C-Mg cells using the soild-state epsom and rochelle salt mix should also do well.

[ibpointless2]

Congrats!!
You just discovered an electrode that's more electronegative than Carbon! That's why it's always positive. Somehow oxidation increases the electronegativity of Iron.

Take a look at the electronegativity of the other electrodes vs. your voltage. They Correlatel!
Carbon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Copper - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Titanium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Magnesium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's always been known that the difference in electronegativity dictates the voltage in regular batteries. The greater the difference in electronegativity, the greater the voltage.All about regular Gavanic Cells: http://www.howeverythingworks.org/su.../batteries.pdf Though now since we've discovered crystal electrolytes that are not galvanic, we can manipulate the voltage by electronegativity differences. Now I need to get some of that Hematite and slice some up!

Please keep testing these, especially with the Roll Mode/Graphic DMM. Peace!

Thank You


@all I'll be uploading a video about the concern about the alligator clip acting as a electrode, in the video I give proof that the alligator clip metal has nothing to do with the voltage I get from the hematite rock. Also in the video I show a Gold plated magnet acting as a negative electrode and even show aluminum too.

Much testing still needs to be done with this type of rock and many others like it, I keep finding more and more things. I hope this will make the crystal cells much stronger.

[Herbie687]

A leap forward in progress

Before I went to bed i posted a video of me testing the rock with other metals and found that the rock always likes to be positive. Rock electrode makes other electrodes negative - YouTube

Congrats!!
You just discovered an electrode that's more electronegative than Carbon! That's why it's always positive. Somehow oxidation increases the electronegativity of Iron.

Take a look at the electronegativity of the other electrodes vs. your voltage. They Correlatel!
Carbon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Copper - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Titanium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Magnesium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's always been known that the difference in electronegativity dictates the voltage in regular batteries. The greater the difference in electronegativity, the greater the voltage. Here's some info all about regular Gavanic Cells: http://www.howeverythingworks.org/su.../batteries.pdf Though now since we've discovered crystal electrolytes that are not galvanic, we can manipulate the voltage by electronegativity differences. Now I need to get some of that Hematite and slice some up!

Please keep testing these, especially with the Roll Mode/Graphic DMM. Peace!

[Neight]

[NickZ]

Guys:
Here are some recommendations concerning the lead acid battery treatments.
They were provided by SeaMonkey, at the Heredical Builders Forum, and I've place them here. He mentioned that he will provide links, as the need arises.
NickZ


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Default Re: Bedini's non-galvanic earth battery and open field joule thief circuit
I appreciate your very kind offer NickZ.

Let's see how the discussion progresses;
I'm certain some of the others may have
done some experimentation along those
lines and may have something very worth-
while to offer.

I'd strongly encourage any who may be
interested in rejuvenating or restoring the
lead acid battery to do as much preparatory
research as possible. Learn about the way
the lead acid battery is constructed; the
various kinds of lead acid batteries; and as
much as possible about the reversible chemical
reactions which take place during discharge and
charging.

Then learn about the chemical and physical
properties of lead sulfate; how it changes
states within the lead acid battery; and how
it can be broken down electrically and converted
back into lead/lead dioxide and sulfuric acid.

Then research the long history of the many tried
techniques, both chemical and electrical, which
have been used in an effort to solve the "sulfation
problem."

And finally, study the desulfator and how it actually
works to accomplish safely and rather easily that
which here-to-fore had been nearly impossible.

Exercise caution in these studies because a certain
amount of incorrect information is easily encountered
on the web. Check and double check when in doubt.

I'll provide links to good materials as the need
arises.

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ibpointless2,

Thomas Edison (and others before him)
made similar discoveries regarding iron oxide.
Look into the Nickel-Iron Storage Battery
(also known as the Edison Cell) to get some
detail on what's probably happening in your
case.

There are quite a few ways to go about
making an electrical cell. Iron isn't the
easiest metal to work with (or iron oxide)
but it will work well in certain configurations.
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[ibpointless2]

@Ibpointless2,
I just have Two question, what made you pick this rock for your test? and what are you going to do for the negative electrode in place of Magnesium?
JB

The reason for me picking this rock was that it was....
-cheap
-easy to get a hold of
-abundant
-its already been exposed to the elements so corrosion is minimum.
-And its slightly magnetic so I could use it in a iron core coil?
-also it hasn't been through a metal factory to be turn into iron yet, its nature "pure".

I don't know fully yet what i'm going to use to replace the magnesium or even if i'm going to replace the magnesium. I might use this rock and magnesium with your mix to see how well it does, its should give more voltage than copper-oxide would? I honestly bought the hematite so that it would be the negative electrode, but later found out that the oxide layer made it more of a positive electrode. I still have lot more testing to do with this rock and many others, its still all new to me. I welcome any input you have

[ibpointless2]

yeah, I know. But that is exactly the point. Because it is radioactive means that it is quickly decaying(at least in comparison to other elements), which makes it a little dangerous but when an object decays it releases great amounts of energy. And water works with Thorium much the same way as galvanic acid batteries does with metal, if you know what I mean. It's the reason why I asked. But anyway, it was just a theory who knows if you draw great amounts of voltage from it or not, I really don't think anyone has ever tried. Most people when you say the word radioactive duck and cover as if you could hide from it. But Thorium is in almost every rock. We use it x-ray machines, lanterns, cermaic glaze, welding rods, etc. It is one of the most common elements that naturally occur which means that we are constantly exposed to it. But as long as you are not near a pile of it the size of a house, you will be alright and of course it is dangerous to breathe the dust of Thorium due to the cancer it causes but then again what doesn't give you cancer these days. I'm pretty sure a small rock the size of a marble or smaller should not be dangerous to handle. Granted some marbles are larger than others. Anyway, just curious and thought I would throw my hat in the ring for an idea that maybe no has tried. But I love your research irregardless.

I have thought about making a radioactive battery, beta cell, many times. The reason I was adding salt substitute to my cells was do to me wanting to make my cells radioactive. Salt sub contains potassium which is slightly radioactive. I even made a ion chamber to test to see how many volts i would get. The beta cell testing failed for me due to me not using anything really strongly radioactive but it did lead to is me making a glue cell with Epsom salt and the left over salt sub i had laying around from the beta cells i was making. Thank you for the input

[John_Bedini]

I left the circuit running on used 1.5 volt AAA battery

John:
I had made a post to you earlier but someone came and I forgot to press the post button. Anyway, glad you got the circuit going. I got most of the parts that you've mentioned, like the 2n2222, 102 to104 caps, 1k resistor, transformer, etz...
Once you've got it tuned and running right, I'll try to replicate it. I'm sure Lidmotor and others will give it a shot also. Can you explain a bit about how to connect the transformer up to the circuit? Maybe a simple diagram, or whatever is easiest.

Ib2: I tried your method using some magnetite instead (like the snake eggs magnets), that I have, but it gave very low output. I guess hematite and magnetite although they are somewhat related, they are not related enough.

Nick

NickZ,
Good, I left the circuit running I'm still not done as I want to try some things with the regeneration in the circuit. I will keep you posted on the effects and when I get it done I will make a video of it for you with the diagram. Anyway I have something up your alley over in my last post Bedini Ferris Wheel Regauging Motor I think you should watch it.
It may answer some questions on what is possible.
John B

[NickZ]

John:
I had made a post to you earlier but someone came and I forgot to press the post button. Anyway, glad you got the circuit going. I got most of the parts that you've mentioned, like the 2n2222, 102 to104 caps, 1k resistor, transformer, etz...
Once you've got it tuned and running right, I'll try to replicate it. I'm sure Lidmotor and others will give it a shot also. Can you explain a bit about how to connect the transformer up to the circuit? Maybe a simple diagram, or whatever is easiest.

Ib2: I tried your method using some magnetite instead (like the snake eggs magnets), that I have, but it gave very low output. I guess hematite and magnetite although they are somewhat related, they are not related enough.

Nick

[John_Bedini]

The Rock

@Ibpointless2,
I just have Two question, what made you pick this rock for your test? and what are you going to do for the negative electrode in place of Magnesium?
JB

[shawnnweed]

Nope never tried it. Its radioactive and is slowly attacked by water, so it won't make a good electrode. But i might try gallium. Thanks.

yeah, I know. But that is exactly the point. Because it is radioactive means that it is quickly decaying(at least in comparison to other elements), which makes it a little dangerous but when an object decays it releases great amounts of energy. And water works with Thorium much the same way as galvanic acid batteries does with metal, if you know what I mean. It's the reason why I asked. But anyway, it was just a theory who knows if you draw great amounts of voltage from it or not, I really don't think anyone has ever tried. Most people when you say the word radioactive duck and cover as if you could hide from it. But Thorium is in almost every rock. We use it x-ray machines, lanterns, cermaic glaze, welding rods, etc. It is one of the most common elements that naturally occur which means that we are constantly exposed to it. But as long as you are not near a pile of it the size of a house, you will be alright and of course it is dangerous to breathe the dust of Thorium due to the cancer it causes but then again what doesn't give you cancer these days. I'm pretty sure a small rock the size of a marble or smaller should not be dangerous to handle. Granted some marbles are larger than others. Anyway, just curious and thought I would throw my hat in the ring for an idea that maybe no has tried. But I love your research irregardless.