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[Herbie687]

Herbie,

Alum is pretty corrosive, most of the guys here are using a mix of epsom salts and Rochelle salts, read the past threads as much as you can, its a long read, but its sure worth it, also check for bedini's latest videos and Plengo's, he has good stuff too

Energenx's Channel - YouTube

Crystal Cell 19a - YouTube

cheers

Thanks cgalvisardila. We have been experimenting with Rochelle Salt + Epsom Salt Cells since we started, though we are investigating into other kinds of cells that are developing. I will go through all of the past posts the next time I get a big chunk of time.
Also, I did a quick google search on Alum a few weeks back, and apparently there are multiple chemicals that are alum, but the most common is Potassium Aluminium Sulfate. The one you used was corrosive, but are the others also?
I saw John Bedini's video on his kit that uses Alum. John, what's your take on this?

[cgalvisardila]

Herbie,

Alum is pretty corrosive, most of the guys here are using a mix of epsom salts and Rochelle salts, read the past threads as much as you can, its a long read, but its sure worth it, also check for bedini's latest videos and Plengo's, he has good stuff too

Energenx's Channel - YouTube

Crystal Cell 19a - YouTube

cheers

[John_Bedini]

the chicken and the egg

Chuck,
The experiment will work, you know the chicken and the egg, I found the strips of magnesium tonight. but I'm looking for that little motor. But I did find the opal they gave me, I wonder if they mixed that with the plate material they made. as I said it's faint after 31 years. It's quite a good size about 5 inches in diameter.
John

[John_Bedini]

For kicks last night I placed some Iron Pyrite in a bowl of water and measured the votage and current to see what would happen. Here's a video:

Energy from Iron Pyrite - YouTube

I couldn't get much out of two pieces of Iron Pyrite, but I had great results with one Iron Pyrite rock, some copper coated welding rod and just filtered rain water.

The other interesting thing was that after about an hour the colour of the water changed to resemble the colour of the Iron Pyrite. At this time I measured >700mV and >200uA. I'm going to try to run John B's oscillator on it tonight.

I'd post a photo but have run out of space here.

Now I just have to add the bleach


John K.

John K,
If I might make an suggestion, When those Two guys showed up this is what they said to do, Take the two pieces of Iron Pyrite and place them in this dish add water so the clip leads do not touch the water. So you have a shallow dish with a water bridge between them then measure again, you might have to move the rocks around. The motor was connected between the two pieces of pyrite. I tried to look for the motor they gave me but it's to cold in that outbuilding for me right now. I was going to give you the specifications of it. I'm also looking for the old VHS tape of the shack I had gone to visit. With any luck it will get a little warmer. Remember I said I thought that the iron pyrite was emitting sulfuric acid, was my thinking at the time. This has been almost 31 years ago so the details are faint but I never forgot what happened.
John B

[Herbie687]

Intro & Questions - Alum + Water MgCu Cells

Hi everyone, I'm Kyle. Me and my friends have been experimenting with these crystal cells for the last 2 months now, and we want more info to help us along in getting this stuff out to the world. You all proabably want me to share my findings too, which I can do at the permission of my partners.

@JohnBedini Your YouTube Vids at the Energenx Channel have been a backbone for our research. Thankyou for posting them!
I have a few questions for you, and for anyone else who knows the answer also.
We want to start experimenting with the Alum + Water Cells, but before we do, we need more info.

1. Is it Galvonic? (or is that still TBD?)
2. Does the water evaporate? If so, is it Water Vapor, or Brown's Gas?
3. Is there anything else that I need to know about Alum + Water Cells?

[ibpointless2]

@John_K...Photobucket.com are still going fine and are reliable. I've never run out of bandwidth or storage space with them for the last 6 years.

@IB2....I took your petroleum jelly method and ran with it.
But, with galvanized steel.
Got a long runner here of plain water in a pills bottle, with untreated copper and galvanized steel electrodes. It's been running an LED oscillator since November (Nephilim Penny with her big pancake coils) and has only had a clean of the steel a couple of weeks ago. A rust/white residue forms on the steel, on the couple of these that i've made and did so on this one. Quick Dremmel to remove the sludge stuff and off we go again, same water throughout.
So I cleaned up the steel again with the Dremmel just now and put Vaseline on it.
Connected all together again and nothing happened.
I waited for 2 minutes, wondering about whether to replace the steel piece when, suddenly, flash flash flash it started up !
So, my question is - do you think the ions need to form pathways through the jelly and once they do, ion movement returns ?

This is odd, I get instant response. I don't know if vaseline is the same as the 100% pure petroleum jelly as I use which is just the Walmart brand. Could it be the galvanized steel that you use? do you get a instant response when you hook it up to a volt meter? Are you using just plain tap water? I used Epsom salt and salt substitute water to get more power. This is interesting.

[Slider2732]

@John_K...Photobucket.com are still going fine and are reliable. I've never run out of bandwidth or storage space with them for the last 6 years.

@IB2....I took your petroleum jelly method and ran with it.
But, with galvanized steel.
Got a long runner here of plain water in a pills bottle, with untreated copper and galvanized steel electrodes. It's been running an LED oscillator since November (Nephilim Penny with her big pancake coils) and has only had a clean of the steel a couple of weeks ago. A rust/white residue forms on the steel, on the couple of these that i've made and did so on this one. Quick Dremmel to remove the sludge stuff and off we go again, same water throughout.
So I cleaned up the steel again with the Dremmel just now and put Vaseline on it.
Connected all together again and nothing happened.
I waited for 2 minutes, wondering about whether to replace the steel piece when, suddenly, flash flash flash it started up !
So, my question is - do you think the ions need to form pathways through the jelly and once they do, ion movement returns ?

[ibpointless2]

Thanks for the quick answer so we could use a normal oven to reach this temperature but i guess it wouldn'T be too healthy to bake cake in it again afterwards or am I wrong?

It's really amazing to see you guys pushing things further every damn week and I just wish I had more time for replicating and testing right now.
Can't get back to that for some weeks and the last thing we did was a stove top. Thanks to IB again, with your video we got it right after 8 failed tries.
I know it lacks in amps but we had the chemicals and I won't learn just by reading

Everybody keep it up this stuff rocks. Has anyone build the "cheap'n'easy" joule ringer and tried to run it from a single stove top?
Cause we just have fun so far but getting light out of it would be awesome

Cheers,

Prato

Glad to hear you got it working!

[John_K]

Iron Pyrite

For kicks last night I placed some Iron Pyrite in a bowl of water and measured the votage and current to see what would happen. Here's a video:

Energy from Iron Pyrite - YouTube

I couldn't get much out of two pieces of Iron Pyrite, but I had great results with one Iron Pyrite rock, some copper coated welding rod and just filtered rain water.

The other interesting thing was that after about an hour the colour of the water changed to resemble the colour of the Iron Pyrite. At this time I measured >700mV and >200uA. I'm going to try to run John B's oscillator on it tonight.

I'd post a photo but have run out of space here.

Now I just have to add the bleach


John K.

[ibpointless2]

I had a few people ask me to show them the amps on a cell that has the petroleum jelly on the magnesium electrode and here is that video. Showing Amps on cell with petroleum jelly on the Magnesium - YouTube


I'm using water that contains Epsom salt and salt substitute, both salts are very corrosive when combined with water and that's why i try to avoid water when it came to making the glue cells. I use Magnesium Ribbon because it will corrode faster than any form of magnesium but so far its not corroding and the control cells are showing corrosion. The control cells are corroding and the jelly on magnesium cell is not corroding so it looks good so far. I'm getting under 1mA which is ok.

My idea is since petroleum jelly rejects water away it does so by pushing the oxygen molecule in water away and in doing so the oxygen doesn't react with the magnesium to form magnesium oxide which is not conductive and breaks apart. Magnesium corrodes into magnesium oxide which is not conductive and is a powder, the reason why magnesium breaks apart is due to it becoming magnesium oxide which is a powder. Jbigness5 has made a good point, it could be the oxygen that corrodes the metal and since water contains the oxygen than the electrodes are corroding away. Combine water with the oxygen in the air and you get a good bit more corrosion. On some corrosion testing i've done on magnesium it would corrode first at where the water meets the air, so water and oxygen or mostly oxygen is a bad cookie.

[John_Bedini]

Use a hotplate

Prato,
I would use a hotplate with a pan and a cover, do not use your stove to do this.
John B

[prato_braun]

Thanks

Prato,
Yes that is 300-400 degrees and it is Fahrenheit. Watch it and make sure you do not over bake the crystal mix. It should be soft but hard at the same time, in other words just like a pancake and then let air dry before you use it.
John

Thanks for the quick answer so we could use a normal oven to reach this temperature but i guess it wouldn'T be too healthy to bake cake in it again afterwards or am I wrong?

It's really amazing to see you guys pushing things further every damn week and I just wish I had more time for replicating and testing right now.
Can't get back to that for some weeks and the last thing we did was a stove top. Thanks to IB again, with your video we got it right after 8 failed tries.
I know it lacks in amps but we had the chemicals and I won't learn just by reading

Everybody keep it up this stuff rocks. Has anyone build the "cheap'n'easy" joule ringer and tried to run it from a single stove top?
Cause we just have fun so far but getting light out of it would be awesome

Cheers,

Prato

[cgalvisardila]

Carlos, download Windows movie maker from Microsoft. It is free. Very easy to use. Thats what I use when I,m on the pc. Else what Jim stated for Macs, Ipods etc....

thank you chuck, im on it...

Carlos

[John_Bedini]

baking the crystal

Prato,
Yes that is 300-400 degrees and it is Fahrenheit. Watch it and make sure you do not over bake the crystal mix. It should be soft but hard at the same time, in other words just like a pancake and then let air dry before you use it.
John

[prato_braun]

harvesting a d-cell

Hi guys,

@John
first of all thanks so much for your great work and please keep it up.
When you baked the depolarized cell you said that the oven was around 300-400 degrees. Is that Fahrenheit?
Is it possible to use the manganese dioxide from d-cells for this mix without changing the electrodes? Otherwise couldn't we just recycle the whole D-Cell?

If anyone is interested here is a tutorial how to harvest a d-cell and how to wash the manganese dioxide.

MAKE | Make: Projects – Harvesting chemicals from a battery

Cheers everyone,

Prato