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[Herbie687]

Great Chem. Page

@ All,
Here is where the chemistry professor told me to go and look.
Lab 8: Single Replacement Reactions
John B

John B. - Thank you for this. It was definetly an interesting read that will help me understand cells better.

Prigogine system: a many-particle system which is deliberately forced to exist far from thermodynamic equilibrium, and which exhibits negative entropy. Note that local curvature of vacuum spacetime places the local virtual state flux in nonequilibrium conditions, with the result that an observable energy "sink" or "source" can be produced.
John B

I have a feeling that Thomas Traweoger's Power Pyramid and our crystal cells are related by this. The prigogine effect is so interesting, but what's even more interesting is that I see he is using quartz as a transformer core to get AC out (From the vacuum?) What are your thoughts on this?

[John_Bedini]

Go Here

@ All,
Here is where the chemistry professor told me to go and look.
Lab 8: Single Replacement Reactions
John B

[ibpointless2]

@Ibpointless
Your "stove top" cell that has been powering "Penny" No. 1 since 8/24/11 finally dropped down to a level that would not run the oscillator anymore. That was an amazing run.
Lidmotor

Its interesting to hear the the stove cell finally died. I never built it to last but to only prove a point. 6 months is a long time on that small cell.

Before you take it apart can you let me know the voltage on it and also can you wait to see if the voltage goes up in a day or two? I do look forward to you taking the cell apart to see what happen. Thank you Lidmotor for taking the time to do this i really appreciate it.

[b_rads]

@Lidmotor,
That does seem unusual, the smaller penny controlling the larger penny. Slider made a comment on my vid that I tried and it was so cool. Using two radios with ear buds connected, I separated the two oscillators and could hear each running independent of the other. Brought the two oscillators together and could hear them sync up. Don't quite know how to make a vid of this, but it is a must do experiment.

@Nickz,
Are you using a paper seperator between the zinc and your carbon, sand, salt mix? If not, you might give it a go. You should see a significant increase in current but the cell would not last as long. But hey, if the materials are free as you say, why not?

Brad S

[Lidmotor]

Cell update

@ All
I took my Hydrate Cell apart today, examined it closely, and then rebuilt it. What I had created was a galvanic cell and not a true crystal cell like what John and Chuck have done . The magnesium was eaten but there was still plenty left so I just cleaned things up and put the cell back together. The crystalline (paste) electrolyte was carefully removed at the top section, remixed, and used again. The copper was still OK. It was still working when I took it apart but after I "rebuilt" it the cell became very strong giving about 100 mA at 1.3 volts. With that much power I was able to run one of my "Exciter" circuits and power two "Penny" oscillators wirelessly at the same time off the energy field.

@Ibpointless
Your "stove top" cell that has been powering "Penny" No. 1 since 8/24/11 finally dropped down to a level that would not run the oscillator anymore. That was an amazing run.

Here is a video of the "rebuilt" cell running the "Exciter" and two "Penny" oscillators.


Hydrate crystal cell update - YouTube


@Brad and Slider
Notice the linkup of the two oscillators. The small one would control the large one but not the other way around.

@Nick
I have a beach near me and like you I am now using it as a "hunting ground" for possible cell parts. That is actually quite a bit of fun.

@ John & Chuck
I thought that 100mA today was fantastic but I can't even imagine something over 1 amp. Heck with that I would run an SSG and maybe charge car batteries. 5 amps???----now we are really getting somewhere.


Lidmotor

[NickZ]

Guys:
I'm still working on the carbon/sand cells, and though some people have mentioned that plain salt does not make for comparatively good cells. I made some tiny capacitor cells 3/8" by 3/4", and they are giving me 1.4 volts, and 6 mAs. It is a very small cell, and can light an led through a simple regular Jt oscillator, by itself. It has been lighting the led now for about a week. I place two cells into a regular AA battery holder, and the spring presure from the holder, also helps to produce a slightly higher light output.
I'm sure the aquarium charcoal and Epsom would work even better, but I have not found them here, yet. Just been testing the carbons ability to combine with the salt, by injecting salt solution into the cells when they dry out.
I also wanted to say, that the second cell does not have beach sand in it like the first cell that I mentioned, and it does not produce the same results. So, even beach sand, wood carbon, and regular table salt has some merit, and I like the costs involved. Zilch!
What I have also noticed is that when the cells are polarized by something like 12volts, even for only a second, they bounce back up to their original output levels, or even higher, and stay there for quite a while.

I realize that there will be some oxidation of the aluminum involved, but I'm working on one thing at a time for now, but will also try the iron pyrite, when I can.

[mikrovolt]

Hello, I spent much of my life wondering if anyone would discover a disassociative pathway of water in my lifetime. As a kid I was very curious why Harold Hughes was so interested in scavanging the ocean floor for magnesium nodules and why that was hushed.
I believe some individuals working for Hughes at that time have information.
I know John has unlocked something, If I had something to share I would do it in a heartbeat.

Right now I am trying to merge the following parts
32kHzminature tuning fork to a lambda diode made from(2N3819,2N3820) into a staircase with an A013 voltage follower into a Bedini open system. I was encouraged by the efficiency of 3 stage dickson. I concider 15V @20mA an achievable goal.

I applaud the efforts to help us stretch our minds to go for higher current flow. I am hopeful that geostructural crystal shapes and striations will be given more conciderations by experts in geology that following this pathway will give the macrostructure model for high current cells.
That this opportunity has become more near term.

[griplets]

Alex,
Yes it has to be a sulfate as that is the only answer I can come up with. You must find a way to neutralize the magnesium and change it to copper, but copper what?. This goes much further in that the materials must look like the plates of a lead storage battery, the difference in the two plates (Black and Gray). In the case of this cell it uses the water for the electrolyte, which acts like an acid. Once depleted you just add more water. In talking to Chuck as I know he is not going to say anything right now he wants to measure the total weight of the cell and then after it is use up measure the total weight again. Fausto has shown what a sulfate is doing with the magnesium by using Iron Pirate on the two metals. If you remember in some posts back I said, it looks like another metal was being plated to the magnesium. When that happened to me I started testing different forms of Iron Pirate. I would love to get this cell to 5 amperes.
John B

John,
I look forward to seeing you achieve the 5 amps. I know that if anyone can do it you can and will do it. But please be sure to share it in detail so we dont have to spend another 10+ years trying to work it out.

Alex.

[cgalvisardila]

b Rads,
What is going on here? If you and Mikrovolt did know about this why not discuses it. I spent time talking to this chemistry professor this morning about what I did and he pointed me to the answer. I was going to discuss this but I can see I do not need to . I do understand what it is that I made. I have not poked fun at anything with Galvanic cells, I thought we were trying to stop the galvanic action in the cells, maybe that is poking fun.

Yes it is a form of Sulfate I made according to the chemistry professor, He had never looked at making it this way but it works. Do not think for one minute I would poke fun at any battery. I guess you could say it did broaden everybody's understanding. But, if you can not get any usable current out of these cells then they are useless. I myself do not see any purpose in cells in Micro-Amps.

I do understand what your saying about the Crow's Foot cell as I have made them, but Magnesium changes the whole picture according to this chemistry professor especially if you can stop the Magnesium from being consumed.

I did not make what your showing for a chemical, but I think that would work real good, but how long and at what current level? I also think it was pointed out that small currents in these cells could last forever. So what is it that you and Microvolt can not discusses here since we have been full circle ? Maybe I need to just change the context in what I'm saying to this group from now on. I'm not a chemistry guy but I could see this being real enjoyable as a change of knowalage.
John B

couldn t agree more, it is vital that we share everything, and were doing it simply because we are all fed up with the lying and suppressing, are we not? and learning how to do build these things ourselves is vital if free energy is going to make it in the open world... it would be real sad if there is someone who's sharing, and then he or she hits a big one and disappears... this happens all the time everywhere... its very important to see where chuck and john bedini are getting at... they are showing us a battery that runs at over a steady 1-5 AMPs... who else has gotten even close to that with a crystal cell?, the best current ive got is 50Ma, and it wasn't very long before going back to 2 Ma.... this is pretty big... its kind enough of you to post it or even mention it John and chuck... each has his own rights when it come s to his or her work, and i love that this is being done here, and i hope every day that we keep doing it and finding ways to make a living that does not disrupt the flow of knowledge.... i look at peoples work and i see hybrids between someone else's battery version and his own, there's a signature of everyone in the results of each one and that's great, certainly humanity is not known for this kind of behavior, and i think its great to see it here, if i ever hit something big ill tell you all, because i know that less than a week later there will be a better version. cheers

[Rubberband]

Thanks

Thank you John,..I, as I'm sure many others here enjoy reading the posts that you take time to write. Your work has stimulated many minds on this site and others. Sharing knowledge new Or even rehashing the older stuff forgotten or never heard about by some, like me, is always interesting reading, as well as a spark for creativity. Thanks, Wally

[John_Bedini]

Galvanic cells

@NickZ,
Thank You for your kind words. The encased cells that used substantial negative electrodes are still producing. Those using the Mg ribbon have all snapped off at the plastic which is understandable as corrosion will first begin at stress points.

@All,
As many of you know, I am a fan of the galvanic cells and as a result I did promise Mikrovolt that I would not discuss any of my results on this thread, and I intend to keep that promise. However, for educational purposes I will tell of two experiments that are germane to things being discussed here.

It is interesting that the subject of fuel cells has come up. Take a look at US Patent #3,163,560. This is a very simple way to make your own fuel cell for educational purposes. I made this cell a long time ago and it helped me in understanding what a fuel cell can be. The materials are inexpensive (I did substitute electrodes) and terribly simple.

While JB enjoyed poking fun at making historical galvanic cells, this replication displays the copper attaching itself to the negative electrode. See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0ypbO2eX1k


@JB,
I totally concur with you on this. While I have not presented any of this work on vids nor in forums, you are totally correct in my opinion. In my case with galvanics, I decide what is going to be consumed. In the for what it is worth department, do not forget to perform density (metal hardness) and mass displacement tests as well as the weight test you mentioned for analyzing the materials in your cells.

Brad S

b Rads,
What is going on here? If you and Mikrovolt did know about this why not discuses it. I spent time talking to this chemistry professor this morning about what I did and he pointed me to the answer. I was going to discuss this but I can see I do not need to . I do understand what it is that I made. I have not poked fun at anything with Galvanic cells, I thought we were trying to stop the galvanic action in the cells, maybe that is poking fun.

Yes it is a form of Sulfate I made according to the chemistry professor, He had never looked at making it this way but it works. Do not think for one minute I would poke fun at any battery. I guess you could say it did broaden everybody's understanding. But, if you can not get any usable current out of these cells then they are useless. I myself do not see any purpose in cells in Micro-Amps.

I do understand what your saying about the Crow's Foot cell as I have made them, but Magnesium changes the whole picture according to this chemistry professor especially if you can stop the Magnesium from being consumed.

I did not make what your showing for a chemical, but I think that would work real good, but how long and at what current level? I also think it was pointed out that small currents in these cells could last forever. So what is it that you and Microvolt can not discusses here since we have been full circle ? Maybe I need to just change the context in what I'm saying to this group from now on. I'm not a chemistry guy but I could see this being real enjoyable as a change of knowalage.
John B

[b_rads]

Laugh if you must

@NickZ,
Thank You for your kind words. The encased cells that used substantial negative electrodes are still producing. Those using the Mg ribbon have all snapped off at the plastic which is understandable as corrosion will first begin at stress points.

@All,
As many of you know, I am a fan of the galvanic cells and as a result I did promise Mikrovolt that I would not discuss any of my results on this thread, and I intend to keep that promise. However, for educational purposes I will tell of two experiments that are germane to things being discussed here.

It is interesting that the subject of fuel cells has come up. Take a look at US Patent #3,163,560. This is a very simple way to make your own fuel cell for educational purposes. I made this cell a long time ago and it helped me in understanding what a fuel cell can be. The materials are inexpensive (I did substitute electrodes) and terribly simple.

While JB enjoyed poking fun at making historical galvanic cells, this replication displays the copper attaching itself to the negative electrode. See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0ypbO2eX1k


@JB,
I totally concur with you on this. While I have not presented any of this work on vids nor in forums, you are totally correct in my opinion. In my case with galvanics, I decide what is going to be consumed. In the for what it is worth department, do not forget to perform density (metal hardness) and mass displacement tests as well as the weight test you mentioned for analyzing the materials in your cells.

Brad S

[John_Bedini]

that is the only answer

Ok John, I look forward to hearing what you find out. I was right in my guess, it is a sulfate or combination of sulfates. I have been looking at sulphates, trying to figure out which would be best to use.

Alex.

Alex,
Yes it has to be a sulfate as that is the only answer I can come up with. You must find a way to neutralize the magnesium and change it to copper, but copper what?. This goes much further in that the materials must look like the plates of a lead storage battery, the difference in the two plates (Black and Gray). In the case of this cell it uses the water for the electrolyte, which acts like an acid. Once depleted you just add more water. In talking to Chuck as I know he is not going to say anything right now he wants to measure the total weight of the cell and then after it is use up measure the total weight again. Fausto has shown what a sulfate is doing with the magnesium by using Iron Pirate on the two metals. If you remember in some posts back I said, it looks like another metal was being plated to the magnesium. When that happened to me I started testing different forms of Iron Pirate. I would love to get this cell to 5 amperes.
John B

[griplets]

@ John B.

Ok John, I look forward to hearing what you find out. I was right in my guess, it is a sulfate or combination of sulfates. I have been looking at sulphates, trying to figure out which would be best to use.

Alex.

[John_Bedini]

I'm not a chemist

Thank you John.

Can you please explain what you mean by "The Hydrate Sulphate mixture must equal copper"?

Do you mean equal to the copper by weight, volume...??? Equal in what way?

Thank you,
Alex.

Alex,
I'm not a chemist but what I see is when the hydrate mixture contains a sulfate, now that may be coming from the Iron pyrite mix, so what happens is that the magnesium reacts with copper to form copper. So nothing is lost because it balances and you just get the energy from the water, that is what I think. I have asked the company account who teaches accounting to bring a chemistry teacher over from the collage to the shop so I can talk to him.
John B