Bedini Earth Light

[Allen Burgess]

Caustic soda and sand.

Have a look at this link:

Make Sodium Silicate - NurdRage

"We make sodium silicate from drain cleaner and those little gel beads".

The Marcus Reid Crystal Power Cell in the picture is 4 parts drain cleaner and 3 parts gel beads per weight. They are dissolved in boiling water, and a thick slurry poured into an aluminum pipe with a copper tube in the center. This Power Cell generated 60WH of D.C. current over a period of seven years without oxidizing the aluminum.

This is Stoichiometric Sodium Silicate, also known as Sodiummetasilikat (Na2SiO3).

[codeboundfuture]

what do you think

Anyone try diamond dust? I found some 3-5 micron dust on ebay for pretty cheap.
I'm just guessing but I am thinking small amounts of diamond dust(5-30%)and then using your voltage draw or other means to resonate the cells crystal the diamond might work with a Casimir effect because of it's almost cube shape. My plan is to try this with silica powder as the base since it already yeilds good results as well as it has a piezoelectric effect. I found pure silica powder on ebay also, it was a bit more expensive but it was only sold in slightly larger amounts I believe. I found it as a beauty product of some kind.

Another thought is what about using platinum mesh or gold plating for the cathode and lead or aluminum as the anode. Materials that Cause Static Electricity by Ron Kurtus - Succeed in Understanding Physics: School for Champions

Thinner crystals and materials I would imagine would be much more efficient due to the gap between the anode and cathode layers being thinner helping the cathode and anode move the electrons out of the crystal structure faster.

Also a well designed magnetic field might be of use in organizing the crystal structure, if you can control the microns of the powders you are using, and you can control the field you ought to be able to align them in particular directions.

With the correct frequency, alignment of diamonds (enough magnetism should polarize them?) and a conductive material, which I am hoping more stable metals as a plating could provide chemical durability, performance and maybe help remove the need for any kind of electrolyte.

Bedini talked about his cells getting stronger in the day (invisible light?) as well as collecting and using heat to make electricity, maybe these methods could help to capture those wavelengths or with the cells in general.

I could be completely wrong I don't have any of the tools to test any of this yet, I'm working on getting together what I can so if I can get working cells going I plan to work on getting nicer tools but I think that it's going to take a little more time than it should so I just want to put the ideas out there.

Hopefully I have gotten my ideas down well enough in this post that it makes sense but let me know what you think and about any results, please help me do some experimentation and with my thinking about the problem until I can get equipment. If I'm not being clear enough about anything please let me know, I really feel like this could lead to something.

Matt

[jehdds]

I don't like your attitude. You got a little too smart with me over the magnetic flux issue at the Joule Thief thread. You grow tangential to remain adverserial. I am tired of chasing the issue.

Allen,
My apologies, and I do not intend nor am I the type of person to be a wise guy. Please feel free to refresh my memory if I stated something on the Joule thief thread that was offensive. Again, I never intended to offend if taken as such my apology. Please let me know specifics. This can be off this thread. I am not being tangential, rather, understand I am simply trying to clarify. If this is all off on my part, I will happily withdraw, recant and remain silent.
Very Best Regards,
Jim
BTW, PLEASE SPECIFY IN PM WHAT EXACTLY I DID ON THE JOULE THEIF THREAD. I DO NOT REMEMBER DOING SO.

[jehdds]

@jehdds,

"Are you seeing a great difference with metasilicate with tied up water molecules as being a lesser chemical for reaction due to the water being bound? Are they not both hydrates?"


Disodium trioxosilicate is the compound it's mixed with. This is not water, even though an "H2O" appears in the alphanumeric description.

Allen,
Are you pulling my leg?
Sodium=Na, Di=2 Tri=3, Oxo=Oxygen silicate
Na2SiO3
From Wiki:
Anhydrous sodium silicate contains a chain polymeric anion composed of corner shared {SiO4} tetrahedral, and not a discrete SiO32− ion.[1] In addition to the anhydrous form,

[Allen Burgess]

Reagent

@jehdds,

"Are you seeing a great difference with metasilicate with tied up water molecules as being a lesser chemical for reaction due to the water being bound? Are they not both hydrates?"


Disodium trioxosilicate is the compound it's mixed with. This is not water, even though an "H2O" appears in the alphanumeric description. Two Hydrogen and one Oxygen has a sub diget, much different from one Hydrgen and two Oxygens, easily confused.

This information is incorrect! Both are merely synonyms for the identical compound.

[jehdds]

@jehdds,

These following quotes are from the Wikipedia article on reagent:

"In another use of the term, when purchasing or preparing chemicals, reagent-grade describes chemical substances of sufficient purity for use in chemical analysis, chemical reactions or physical testing".

In another use of the term,

"reagents are compounds or mixtures

Allen,
With respect to what compound Lidmotor notes,
Did you notice the description "hydrous?"
And the following: regarding % h20?
Specifications:
Wt. Ratio SiO2/Na2O : 2
%Na2O 27.0
%SiO2 54.00
%H2O 18.00
Density g/cm3 0.977
Characteristics: Fine white powder
CAS# 1344-09-8
Please forgive my ignorance of the subtle difference.
Are you seeing a great difference with metasilicate with tied up water molecules as being a lesser chemical for reaction due to the water being bound?
Are they not both hydrates?
Again, I am simply trying to learn how a nonahydrate or pentahydrate could be considered an adulterated compound. How about this,
I will try the reagent and see if it works. If not, time to synthesize.
Let us know how your efforts go as well.
Very best regards,
Jim

[Allen Burgess]

Reagent.

@jehdds,

These following quotes are from the Wikipedia article on reagent:

"In another use of the term, when purchasing or preparing chemicals, reagent-grade describes chemical substances of sufficient purity for use in chemical analysis, chemical reactions or physical testing".

In another use of the term,

"reagents are compounds or mixtures

[jehdds]

This kind of Sodiummetasillicate comes mixed, like a drug dealer would cut Methamphetamine with talcum powder. Seperateing the mixture might cause more of a problem then synthisizing the compound.

Allen
The analogy eludes me. If we have a reagent that is PURE is that not better than possible impurity from dubious starting materials such as drano etc?
What is the reagent that I showed cut with to make it less suitable?
Thank you again.
Jim

[Allen Burgess]

This kind of Sodiummetasillicate comes mixed, like a drug dealer would cut Methamphetamine with talcum powder. Seperateing the mixture might cause more of a problem then synthisizing the compound.

[jehdds]

@lidmotor,

Good find on the powdered Sodium Silicate. That's the ticket!

@jehdds

Sodiummetasilikat (Na2SiO3) is different from the reagent you located.

A meat thermometer would probably help. Recent progress is warp factor quantum leap compared to those cumbersome old Stubblefields.

[Allen Burgess]

Temperature.

@lidmotor,

Good find on the powdered Sodium Silicate. That's the ticket!

@jehdds

Sodiummetasilikat (Na2SiO3) alone is different from the reagent you located. The reagent is a mixture. Epsom Salt bonding with the Sodium Silicate should result in a long chain molecule similar to the one Lye would produce. Both are corrosive salts. The resulting crystal compound lattice is probably just as good for the power cell. I have'nt cooked either one yet.

A meat thermometer would probably help. Recent progress is quantum leap compared to those cumbersome old Stubblefields.

[everyidea]

What I am about to say is a complete wild guess.
Fausto.

You're right, wild guess

You can heat it all you want, but it will go through transformations along the way.

75c = drive off water in the silicate
100c-350c = solid, no crystal formation
400c-750c = multiple formations of crystal structures during temp. changes.
800c = loss of crystallization, clear and cracked mass

One thing to remember, Mg melts at 650c... so...

@lidmotor, the powder you found may not be crystallized or a hydrate, something to think about.

rw

[plengo]

@ JB
I found a source for the dry sodium silicate that you specified for this cell--

Sodium Silicate, Powder, Alkaline

If I am reading your description correct the only other thing required is epsom salt and a doping agent. Cooking outside is extremely important like we discussed because of the poisonous nature of sodium silicate. The cook down of the ingredients needs to be enough to melts things but no so much as to turn them to powder? Burnt copper and magnesium are probably the best electrodes? Dope the mixture with magnesium filings?

If this is correct and will give us the true crystal cell------guys we are there. We can all do this.

Lidmotor

What I am about to say is a complete wild guess. I think that cooking can never pass 600 degrees. One of the report posted by someone before shows that if you heat Sodium Silicate above that it becomes something that is irreversible and since with pure Silica Powder I got excellent result I theorize we want it in the Silica format.

Fausto.

[Lidmotor]

Source for dry Sodium Silicate

Ibpointless,
Lets go over this again. You have two things here that are not going to work correctly, 1 the Water Glass, 2 the Salt Substitute these two can not be mixed together as everything will corrode and you will not get much power.

In the last post to you I said that you could combine a Heptahydrate, meaning Epsom Salts, with a Hydrate meaning the crystals of Sodium Silicate, this must all be cooked together. You may add Aluminum grains or Magnesium Grains. At the right Temp they will combine to form either Aluminum Silicate or Magnesium Silicate. This is your medium then and you can use the copper and the Magnesium in the cell. You can not cook down the Water Glass as it is not the same thing, if you cook down the Water Glass and add the grains you may not get the same reaction and it is questionable whether it will work or not in the cell. The timing is very important when cooking the crystals and grains as to not cook it to much or it will turn to solid and you will not be able to make the cell.
John B

@ JB
I found a source for the dry sodium silicate that you specified for this cell--

Sodium Silicate, Powder, Alkaline

If I am reading your description correct the only other thing required is epsom salt and a doping agent. Cooking outside is extremely important like we discussed because of the poisonous nature of sodium silicate. The cook down of the ingredients needs to be enough to melts things but no so much as to turn them to powder? Burnt copper and magnesium are probably the best electrodes? Dope the mixture with magnesium filings?

If this is correct and will give us the true crystal cell------guys we are there. We can all do this.

Lidmotor

[plengo]

@Nickz,

activated carbon for aquariums.

Tetra Black Diamond Media 16 oz.

No sand. I will also make one using sand and see what happens. Yes dry 50 microamps at 1.9v. I will have to wait a few weeks before opening one and see how much corrosion will happen.

Fausto.