Bedini Solid State Oscillators

[theremart]

Update on Solid State Bedini

Well,

I replaced both the opto, and the 555 timer, and I learned a couple of tricks.

Put a nite light to the capacitor, this helps to diminish the 100V + charge that is stored there. I don't like discharging that the hard way ! This also allows you to see visually the amount of electricity the circuit is outputing.


I swapped the coil for the 450 turn one, and after getting this, it is now staying at 25-27 V in the cap over the charge battery. It seems to be doing MUCH better. I believe I had miss wired my 555 timer before because I had the pin numbering wrong. ( So much fun remembering the order of the pins when you turn it upside down ) I ended up making a diagrahm of both the pins up right and upside down which help me sort out the pin much easier.

Charging up another battery now, look forward to see if the load tests does any better.

Mart

[EgmQC]

You may have a point there, my coil is 20 gauge wire, and it is a full spool 3 twisted pairs.

Think I will order some guage recommended by the book, but I don't know how much to order for 350 turns? How many feet is that?

Hi Theremart,

look at this site, it give the lbs per feets for different gauge.
Magnet Wire

Best Regards,
Eric

Edit: Its about 190 feet if i remember for 350 turn.

[theremart]

RE: Coil.

1.5ms should be ok , its 0.665khz. Maybe your coil is too big and didnt get the time to build a strong field ? (just a idea). Try to set the frequency under 400hz if you want to test my idea, the result should be better at lower frequency.


Best Regards,
Eric

You may have a point there, my coil is 20 gauge wire, and it is a full spool 3 twisted pairs.

Think I will order some guage recommended by the book, but I don't know how much to order for 350 turns? How many feet is that?

[EgmQC]

80V spikes at 1 1/2 milla seconds ( the setting of one on the scope ) I am still learning how to use the scope correctly.

It seems from looking at the r-charge site they do about 16 cycles to get the energy up to full amount for load. Perhaps that is what I am missing... but to compare a test that I had done before with the battery it seems it is getting worse for wear, not better. What I am missing from the book is the input voltage and the time range to get the desired result of charging two batteries at once that will handle a load.

1.5ms should be ok , its 0.665khz. Maybe your coil is too big and didnt get the time to build a strong field ? (just a idea). Try to set the frequency under 400hz if you want to test my idea, the result should be better at lower frequency.


Best Regards,
Eric

[theremart]

RE: Frequency

Hi Theremart,

What was the frequency of the spike on your SS SSG? ive got about the same result as you with a spike frequency over 1khz.

Best Regards,
Eric

80V spikes at 1 1/2 milla seconds ( the setting of one on the scope ) I am still learning how to use the scope correctly.

It seems from looking at the r-charge site they do about 16 cycles to get the energy up to full amount for load. Perhaps that is what I am missing... but to compare a test that I had done before with the battery it seems it is getting worse for wear, not better. What I am missing from the book is the input voltage and the time range to get the desired result of charging two batteries at once that will handle a load.

[EgmQC]

I have done 3 tests with the solid state SSG, and I am getting fluffy charging.

The first test I did was with a semi battery. I had it on for over 50 hours and I charged the battery to over 14V. When I applied a 5 amp draw on the battery it was only able to stand up to that for 7 min.

When I put on the 12 amp battery and charged it with the SS, it climbed up to 15.70 V however on the load test it did very very poorly as compared to how it was charged with the neo magnets before .... ( see attached graph the two small lines are with the solid state charge )

The charge with the Solid state was 24 V at .8 amp. I now know that the voltage reading on the battery is not what the battery can do...

I am perplexed as to know how to get the best load test of the batteries as I really thought the solid state would help the load tests.

Mart

Hi Theremart,

What was the frequency of the spike on your SS SSG? ive got about the same result as you with a spike frequency over 1khz.

Best Regards,
Eric

[theremart]

Disapointment with load tests from the Solid State...

I have done 3 tests with the solid state SSG, and I am getting fluffy charging.

The first test I did was with a semi battery. I had it on for over 50 hours and I charged the battery to over 14V. When I applied a 5 amp draw on the battery it was only able to stand up to that for 7 min.

When I put on the 12 amp battery and charged it with the SS, it climbed up to 15.70 V however on the load test it did very very poorly as compared to how it was charged with the neo magnets before .... ( see attached graph the two small lines are with the solid state charge )

The charge with the Solid state was 24 V at .8 amp. I now know that the voltage reading on the battery is not what the battery can do...

I am perplexed as to know how to get the best load test of the batteries as I really thought the solid state would help the load tests.

Mart

[ldissing]

Multi-wire coil, power on one wire

Has anyone tried to create a 4 wire coil or even bigger and only apply power to one wire? Utilize the excess wires for charging capacitors? I say capacitors, because they will charge up to the voltage spike over time and the voltage difference can be seen much faster. My theory is that having the ground wires connected together in my previous experiment caused the outputs to interact. Why can't the grounds be connected in the normal SSG, because you have closed the loop. So, if this is true, then connecting all of the grounds together off of one wire is also closing the loop on the outputs, which will not allow the radiant to manifest across ALL output devices.

The batteries did charge but slower. The cap did charge, but to a smaller peak voltage when connected with the batteries. Perhaps this is an answer....any experimental results with something like this?

Thanks,

L

[mrbreau]

(snip)

There is an old thread on here called something like "Bedini SSG Secrets" that should possibly be resurected

Here is the link to that topic; http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...g-secrets.html

I agree, there should be more discussion into the physics of the SG.

Warren

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[ldissing]

Not sure why your caps are only charging to 20v... mine will charge up to the peak of the spike (around 180v)

Can't comment on using the flyback for fraturing water as that is not what bedini systems are designed for.

However, this method of charging changes both the chemical and physical properties of the batteries until they reach a condition where, when exposed to this method of charging, charge much much faster than with convetional methods and the batteries do this by manipulating the zero point field inside the battery. In a way they charge themselves and there have been reports of batteries self charging once they have been taken off the energizer.

I mentioned that it will charge over the cap (on the output side) IF the batteries are not connected on the output side. I was not utilizing the 555 oscillator in this particular setup, so I was not "trying" to get the cap to charge up by holding off the discharge, I was not discharging it at all. I can get a 1uF cap to charge to over 400 volts in milliseconds with this setup.

The question is, is it true that the voltage ALONE does not charge the cap? If each output device, i.e. batteries and/or a capacitor are each hanging off that high voltage pulse with a diode for each device, then it should charge up to the same voltage it did without the batteries connected! Diodes are one way current devices and stop current from getting from the charging side to the input side, thus isolating those devices. Each of those devices are isolated from each other too...except ground...ah, maybe it is the ground.

Cold boiling? What is that, creating ion movement inside the battery. What does electrolysis do, recombine sulphic acid off plates back into the distilled water. What does WFC do, factionate hydrogen and oxygen. There are the same thing, but one has sulfuric acid in it. If you are doing high amp charging, then you are moving ions too, but in a high voltage/low current situation, you are creating a much smaller fractionization. If you can split normal water, then you can also do this in a battery. John Bedini said that you can split water while you charge a battery. I've done that, and I can see the very very fine bubbles INSIDE the opaque battery case. That is what is happening inside the battery, just like with the WFC.

I did not say it was an over unity device, it clearly isn't.

It IS the case that an inductor will try to stop current from passing through it, thus creating a HIGH voltage spike before allowing that current through. JB has said that it isn't the magnets doing anything either, just the trigger mechanism. Otherwise, you could not create a solid-state charger without a spinning wheel. It is the inductor, or in this case, a bi-filar or tri-filar coil/inductor that is creating the spike which supposedly allows the Heavyside (sp) flow on the outside of the conductors. Does it do this? Maybe the oscillation rate has to be faster, JB says about 10000 kHz, although I think he probably meant 10000 Hz. Maybe it is 10000 kHz frequency will tell - if I can get it there. Maybe my wires are not big enough to manifest this energy?

Unless the experiment was faulty because all the ground wires were hooked together, the question is, "Did I fractionate the current (or voltage spike) by using multiple diodes?" I think the answer is in the post about what the different batteries and the cap were doing. The cap did not charge the same with batteries connected, i.e. only 20V on the cap instead of 100's of volts. Without the batteries, it did charge to 100's of volts. So, did the cap accept the voltage and charge without current? Only partially, only 20V, so the cap will NOT charge without the current to 100's of volts. The proof is in the experiment. Saying that a cap will charge without current may be true if the frequency is high enough, and I can test way higher frequencies. As the freq is increased with the solid state oscillator, though, the voltage spikes will decrease in size I believe.


Thanks again,

L

[Sephiroth]

This is my scenario for this post....A tri-fillar wound coil. 2 20AWG and 1 24AWG trigger. I apply power to one and use the 24 AWG for a trigger, it is a solid state Bedini style charger. I'm using 24V for an input voltage, so the voltage spikes are really big over 500V. You can use a capacitor on the other 20 AWG and capacitive discharge, or hook the battery up through diodes. You could also pull voltage off of a diode on the power wire as in the simple SSG circuit. I am NOT using a capacitor to charge in this example (I did hook up a cap briefly (with the battereis) and it only charged to 20V, because there wasn't enough current to allow it to charge higher IMHO.)

Not sure why your caps are only charging to 20v... mine will charge up to the peak of the spike (around 180v)

I don't fully agree with your post, though I understand where you are coming from.

Can't comment on using the flyback for fraturing water as that is not what bedini systems are designed for.

Though it seems the main confusion is that most people are assuming the oscillator is supposed to be doing something that it isn't. In a standard configuration I don't think we get the high voltage low current pulses that are associated with cold electricity though it is capable of generating this form of energy as well.

It is imporatant to remember that the "free energy" is generated in/by the batteries... not Bedini's circuits.

John has said time and time agian that these circuits are NOT overunity. They merely shuttle energy around the system.

However, this method of charging changes both the chemical and physical properties of the batteries until they reach a condition where, when exposed to this method of charging, charge much much faster than with convetional methods and the batteries do this by manipulating the zero point field inside the battery. In a way they charge themselves and there have been reports of batteries self charging once they have been taken off the energizer.

Hooking up a fresh battery that has never been exposed to this method of charging will show you what is expected by conventional physics, but over time that changes.

I do agree that there needs to be more discussion about the physics behind it because I don't think we have the full picture quite yet. There is an old thread on here called something like "Bedini SSG Secrets" that should possibly be resurected

[ldissing]

Voltage and currentless charging

SOMEONE PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM INCORRECT. My wife says that I'm always wrong, so why not you too.

I have been looking at lots of stuff on the internet. I do not believe that it is all voltage. I would love that to be the case, but my tests do not show this as the case.

This is my scenario for this post....A tri-fillar wound coil. 2 20AWG and 1 24AWG trigger. I apply power to one and use the 24 AWG for a trigger, it is a solid state Bedini style charger. I'm using 24V for an input voltage, so the voltage spikes are really big over 500V. You can use a capacitor on the other 20 AWG and capacitive discharge, or hook the battery up through diodes. You could also pull voltage off of a diode on the power wire as in the SSG circuit. I am NOT using a capacitor to charge in this example (I did hook up a cap briefly (with the batteriss) and it only charged to 20V, - without the batteries, it will charge to over 100V in two pulses - because there wasn't enough current to allow it to charge higher IMHO.)

I was reading from another site about the Water Fuel Cell by Meyers and some of the replications. Again, some say it is all voltage which is what I believe Bedini also says although I could be wrong again. I will guarantee that the solid state will generate some very fine bubbles in tap water with no electrolyte and quite a lot of them...Mr. Bedini also said you could do this...what is it doing in a battery, the SAME thing.

So, this guy says, just put multiple diodes on that high voltage pulse and you can hook up even more cells in the WFC. So I think this would "fractionate the pulse", splitting whatever small amount of current there is, thus creating a voltage pulse with even less current, which is what Meyer's AND Bedini say they are doing. Currentless voltage...ah, the holy grail, or is it?

So, I put 4 diodes on that third wire, one to each of three different batteries and another one to my water cell. It does indeed create some bubbles in the water, but not NEARLY as many. It does charge the batteries or at least two of them increase in voltage, but the third doesn't change in voltage at all (or even decreases because it has a bit of static charge on it already) and it is a battery which is only a 5 Ah battery. If I take of the big battery, then the 5Ah battery will start increasing in voltage. If I take the smallest battery off, the 5 Ah battery will increase in voltage.

If it was the case that only voltage was needed then you would not have to build bigger and bigger machines with more and more coils. You would just put more and more diodes on that voltage pulse and charge the world. You NEED some current to charge batteries (or caps) and so does the WFC to produce a huge amount of HHO. I'm sure there is a point where you are wasting energy too, if you don't have enough devices to accept that voltage/current.

If your battery is too big for the device, then it will charge, but slowly because there isn't enough current. If the battery is not big enough, then you will create static charging because the voltage/current is too high for the battery and the voltage must increase beyond "normal" for it to have a full charge. It is a balancing act not to waste the "free" energy you are capturing.

I'm continuing in the testing process, but it does not seem to be magical. It is capturing what is normally wasted by most conventional circuits, and it will charge batteries faster and help when the plates are getting "bad", but you need some current in that high voltage pulse or you will not charge capacitors or batteries or create HHO in a WFC, IMHO.

So why did the cap charge to 20V, instead of only a few volts above the voltage of the batteries? Did it charge, because the batteries did not accept the small current until it was over 20V thus, allowing the cap to charge? I'm not sure about this and did not put an amp meter on that cap.

Any comments are appreciated.

L

[Shamus]

Yes, the Bedini circuits can revive heavily sulfated batteries that can't be charged anymore by conventional methods. I did this with an old 12V lead-acid battery that had sat in a lawnmower for well over a year. But I also abused it by taking it down below 10V and eventually it wouldn't hold a charge anymore. So you need to be nice to your batteries.

If you want to test sulfation removal, you might want to go find an old battery somewhere that is in otherwise good condition--i.e., the Bedini process can't fix warped plates, low electrolyte levels, corroded posts, etc.

[iret]

Hi Shamus,

Going to charge it longer period this coming weekend.

Also, doing complete discharges are a sure way to kill your battery

I was trying to reproduce a heavily sulfated battery in a controlled environment. Does this fit the bill ? According to JB, the Bedini osc supposed to be able to revive completely dead/heavily sulfated batteries...no ?

Anybody manage to reproduce the battery cap neon bulb glowing effect ? Is is RF anyway ?

Cheers

[Shamus]

I think that if you've completely discharged your battery, you'll need to charge it for more than a few minutes if you're expecting it to hold any charge. Also, doing complete discharges are a sure way to kill your battery. Doing that may work for a time, but batteries just don't like being abused.