Bedini Solid State Oscillators

[sinergicus]

Question about first Bedini FEG

Hi to all...

Because You have much more experiences and Knowledge than me ,I want to ask your opinion ...
I see all around ,everybody trying to replicate some versions of Bedini motors,but all are just toys proving,more or less,some principles...

With this toys cannot power a house....Or ,I suppose this is your goal in fact;to make some practical device at a big scale to power a house ;like Jim Watson unit for example.

Nobody tried to replicate first Bedini motor?I understand is not so complicated;Jim Watson has built it.John Bedini has mentioned this can be build without electronics;I understand ,electronics cannot handle big power;
Mr Bedini said in his book free energy generation:
With three brushes and a commutator you can do away with all the electronics and handle 100 times the power back to the battery-no transistor to fail,no relays to stick,no resistor to burn up...



What you think is worthy to give attention and time to this kind of Bedini motor?
Can somebody help with information about how can be built at a bigger scale?


Thanks
Mike

[theremart]

Interesting

http://radiant.100free.com/zpe_bedini_solid.html

Here is the link. He uses 10uf which is astonishing.

So are his results

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"I burnt a few potentiometer to look for the sweet spot of the assembly oscillator - capacitor.
I adjusted the charging/discharging cycle of the capacitor at around 2 seconds of charging and 1/3 second for discharging. Resistor values: R1 = 100 Ohm ; R2 = 34 kOhm ( 50 kOhm potentiometer)
In two second the Cap go to arouns 130 Volts, and then is completely discharged in the battery "


130V to the battery, Yes I could build up to that if the timing was 2 sec easy.

[Sephiroth]

http://radiant.100free.com/zpe_bedini_solid.html

Here is the link. He uses 10uf which is astonishing.

So are his results

[Sephiroth]

I haven't seen the schematic in the book but I hear the pins on the opto isolator are the wrong way around so some modification may be needed

All my tests are showing better charge with high capacity caps (or more importantly discharging the caps at low voltage). There appears to be a sweet spot with cap pulsing as well... too high a voltage then too much energy will be lost as heat, too low a voltage and the pulse won't be sharp enough for our needs. I'm not sure how pulse frequency effects it but it may have a part to play as well. As Aaron has suggested, I don't think you want it to be higher than 3 volts above the charging voltage.

I have only heard one report of good results with low farad caps. I think the link is on here already so I'll try and fish it out.

[theremart]

RE: cap

Do you have any larger caps you can substitute your 330uf for?

I don't, but I will be VERY VERY ticked if the cap specified by the book is the wrong one! I was told not to modify any of the circuits of the book. that they work as is!

[Sephiroth]

Do you have any larger caps you can substitute your 330uf for?

[theremart]

Re: results

Hi Mart,

Those results don't look optimistic.

How long did you leave the battery to rest before doing the load tests?

How high were you charging the cap above the charging voltage?

I left the battery on for over 12 hours on the newly configured solid state charger. Input of 12V at .8 amp. for charge.

Then it rested for about 6 hours. Since I wanted to do a test in the morning I then again put it on the SS charge at 8V at .5 amp for 12 hours so it was at 15.34 in the morning I ran the load test.

The charge in the cap is 25V. Not optimal for fastest charge, but should be enough to give me punch out of the battery I would think.


I am now charging the battery again with my ssg with neo's to get another idea of where the battery is.

[Sephiroth]

Hi Mart,

Those results don't look optimistic.

How long did you leave the battery to rest before doing the load tests?

How high were you charging the cap above the charging voltage?

[theremart]

Ok test results again very poor

Results of load test attached

Green -> results of charging battery with neo for 6 hours. 3.2 amp hours

Red -> Results of first SS test .5 amp hour

Black -> Charged battery up to 15.34V with Solid state Bedini as per book as stated. then discharged. only 1 amp hour

[EgmQC]

Hi All,

I have a nice question, When the SSG send directly the radiant to the battery, the battery will transform it to usuable energy(by getting it from the vacuum) . With a capacitor setup, the radiant spike is sent to the cap and then the battery.

My question is, What is inside the capacitor ?

if we see for exemple 16 volt on a 30000uf cap before it dump it to the battery, that mean there 3.84 joules sent to the battery.

There's radiant in the cap or its transformed already in usuable energy by the capacitor? if he is already transfomed that mean we only have to feed a cap at 16v and dump at X Frequency to get the same effect?

Best Regards,
Eric

[Sephiroth]

Hi Eric,

Every experiment I have done with a cap pulser has shown far better results with high capacity caps pulsed at low voltage.

This thread goes into some interesting theory/math on cap pulsing

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2450-conservation-charge-violated.html

[EgmQC]

as long as you start with rather fast cap dumping (around every second) a 30,000uf 60v cap shouldn't be in any danger from a standard sized SSG.

but as a precaution just in case the cap pulser isn't working properly you can put a neon across the terminals and it should prevent the cap getting dangerously over 60v. I have had 40,000uf caps rated at 60v "accidentally" charge over a hundred and they stayed in one peice. Though I can't gaurentee that every capacitor can withstand being charged so high over their rated voltage.

To begin with, try putting a bulb in series with the charging battery just to be sure it is pulsing and carefully watch the voltage! With 30,00uf you should have plenty of time to react if it is obvious that the pulser is not operating.

Thank Sephiroth for your advice. I have a 6.5KV 0.25uF Laser pulse cap, should it be better or higher capacitance cap is better ?

Best Regards,
Eric

[Sephiroth]

Hi Mart,

Whats the volt rating of your cap ? im scared a bit to try the 555 setup, i have some 60v 30000uf but i dont know what can happen if hooked to the SS SSG with more than 200V spike.

Best Regards,
Eric

as long as you start with rather fast cap dumping (around every second) a 30,000uf 60v cap shouldn't be in any danger from a standard sized SSG.

but as a precaution just in case the cap pulser isn't working properly you can put a neon across the terminals and it should prevent the cap getting dangerously over 60v. I have had 40,000uf caps rated at 60v "accidentally" charge over a hundred and they stayed in one peice. Though I can't gaurentee that every capacitor can withstand being charged so high over their rated voltage.

To begin with, try putting a bulb in series with the charging battery just to be sure it is pulsing and carefully watch the voltage! With 30,00uf you should have plenty of time to react if it is obvious that the pulser is not operating.

[theremart]

RE: Voltage

Hi Mart,

Whats the volt rating of your cap ? im scared a bit to try the 555 setup, i have some 60v 30000uf but i dont know what can happen if hooked to the SS SSG with more than 200V spike.

Best Regards,
Eric

500V 330 Uf, the one specified in the book.

I believe I now have the exact Bedini setup, may need tuned now.

[EgmQC]

Well,

I replaced both the opto, and the 555 timer, and I learned a couple of tricks.

Put a nite light to the capacitor, this helps to diminish the 100V + charge that is stored there. I don't like discharging that the hard way ! This also allows you to see visually the amount of electricity the circuit is outputing.


I swapped the coil for the 450 turn one, and after getting this, it is now staying at 25-27 V in the cap over the charge battery. It seems to be doing MUCH better. I believe I had miss wired my 555 timer before because I had the pin numbering wrong. ( So much fun remembering the order of the pins when you turn it upside down ) I ended up making a diagrahm of both the pins up right and upside down which help me sort out the pin much easier.

Charging up another battery now, look forward to see if the load tests does any better.

Mart

Hi Mart,

Whats the volt rating of your cap ? im scared a bit to try the 555 setup, i have some 60v 30000uf but i dont know what can happen if hooked to the SS SSG with more than 200V spike.

Best Regards,
Eric