Bedini Solid State Oscillators

[Hoppy]

Hi Hoppy,
is there any advantage to wire the triggerloop out of phase as compared to connecting the one end to the minuspole? Has the resonance freq of the primary to be adjusted to a specific frequency also ?

The pulse rise time is sharper / faster. John Bedini emphasises that its the speed of rise of the 'on' pulse which is important in terms of the radiant event, not what comes after.

IMO there is no need to achieve any resonant condition. The battery resonant frequency is up in the Mhz, so any sub-resonant condition at the low frequency of the oscillator will be weak.

Hoppy

[selamatg]

I have never had the battery get warm when charging. What is the amp hours on the batteries you have?

I cannot give much advice as I have not had much sucess with this yet.

My battery size are 40AH and 70AH,
Both battery above condition are very bad,

I found interesting result today. Seem C20 method not always work for all battery condition. All depend the capacity and condition of the battery.

Example: The good condition 100AH battery is good to charge with 4A-5Amp, that will stay cool and fully charge after 15-20 hours. If the battery condition not so good, you will see the battery getting warm after few hours with same size charger.

Today, I have try charge with small setup (about 1 amp) and the battery stay cool and show the capacity increasing at first cycle. Now I'm going to the second cycle and will see the result.

[selamatg]

I just added a diode (to the original circuit) from pin 7 to pin 6 with the "line" at the pin 6 side. The cathode is to pin 6, the anode to pin 7. The reason that the 555 is always greater than a 50% duty cycle, is that the discharge is through the combination of the resistor values, the diode allows a bypass. You might need to increase the value of the 330 ohm resistor, I used a 1K ohm resistor. By using this diode, you can make it less than 50% as long as the other resistor is bigger than 1K (or 330 ohms based on the original circuit).

I'm not saying this is a good thing to do, it was just interesting how I was hammered by the moderator and my post was not even allowed into the forum...at least as I remember it was not allowed.

L

Hi,

I have try adding diode to pin 7 & 6 and the duty cycle about 80%, but the result not good to the battery, charging process very slow but you get higher voltage form the cap. Now I back to previous setup and better. So 50% duty cycle is work best for me.

[theremart]

RE: question

Where is it that you obtained the waveform? Was it on the collector of the transistor (on the input coil) or on the capacitor? Or some other place?

You input would be helpful to me...thanks.

L

Shoot me a PM with your email and I will send you what I have.

Mart

[ldissing]

Capacitor Sizes

I'm still confused as to the capacitor size. If it is the dV/Dt that causes a radiant event in the battery, then a smaller cap (not too small) that can be charged to a high voltage, should realize a radiant event where than a 10000 uF cap that is only charged to 16 volts will just produce normal charging (except if the energy stored in the cap is actually "radiant" energy).

JB says that the cap is a transducer of radiant, so if it is transduced then is it not "normal" energy? I don't have the answer, so I'd be glad for some other opinions.

L

[ldissing]

You did great, the waveforms are correct. for the Iron core it's working fine, air core is next 2.5 k to 25 Khz. Measure the radiant current and wave form by using a coil to pass the discharge wire through. be very careful if you get it up in power as it is close to your nerve impulses. The stair step looks just like Beardens analogy. Great work keeps going. That waveform can do wonders not fully explored yet. That is Tesla's time wave that he talked about. Great scope shots. Thanks for posting this. You can bias the core with a week magnet, power will increase in only one direction try it you will see. you can control the Bloch wall of the coil, additive energy sucked from the magnet.

Where is it that you obtained the waveform? Was it on the collector of the transistor (on the input coil) or on the capacitor? Or some other place?

You input would be helpful to me...thanks.

L

[theremart]

RE: Updated schematic

I think the updated schematic is correct. The pins on the opto were renumbered which is all that was incorrect to my recollection. There were two pages added which corrected the pin reversals for the cap dump circuit, one for the SS and one for the SSG.

Ok, I don't know what page you got, but mine says Pin 4 of opto to B of transistor, and pin 5 of opto to the SCR. Not correct.

Page 47 of the book is correct ( in regards with the opto) Pin 5 of opto to B of transistor, and pin 4 of opto to the SCR. At least mine works that way.

[ldissing]

I think the updated schematic is correct. The pins on the opto were renumbered which is all that was incorrect to my recollection. There were two pages added which corrected the pin reversals for the cap dump circuit, one for the SS and one for the SSG.

I believe that is a pretty basic model to put together. You are right in that he doesn't say what battery sizes to use or SCR to use. That is where "bench testing" that JB always talks about comes in. I wish it were easier...do this and use this and you're in business, but we never get that, so that is why these forums are so important.

I'm using different SCRs, but an S6008 works (600V sensitive) just fine. I think the reason that the SCR needs such a high voltage rating is for the "sneaky" HV pulses that get through with the original circuit...With the diode in there, not very many pulses will get through. And if you use a NE-2, none will get through, because the SCR will never see more than 120V.

I'm still not sure why it requires 1 amp of input to do something on these circuits. JB always says 1 amp is the magical number for one coil. There is a saturation region in the transistors, which is what were are trying to hit, but not go over, so I need to do some more investigation into this saturation region for the specific transistor I'm using...MJL21194 I believe. I've run this at 50 volts, so those transistors are really good.

[theremart]

RE: Diode

Just put a diode from pin 7 to pin 6 with the "line" at the pin 6 side. The cathode is to pin 6, the anode to pin 7. The reason that the 555 is always greater than a 50% duty cycle, is that the discharge is through the combination of the resistor values, the diode allows a bypass. You might need to increase the value of the 330 ohm resistor, I used a 1K ohm resistor. By using this diode, you can make it less than 50% as long as the other resistor is bigger than 1K (or 330 ohms based on the original circuit).

I'm not saying this is a good thing to do, it was just interesting how I was hammered by the moderator and my post was not even allowed into the forum...at least as I remember it was not allowed.

L

Thanks that is very clear.

I guess we can learn from the monopole group3 and know not to beat people up for fresh new ideas.

I think if one does make modifications, they should at least have the basic model working first. That being said, the problem I see with the Solid State Bedini, there is not a basic model to copy. There is a schematic that is wrong in the book, wrong in the updated version sent with the book, and no specs for the batteries for which you are too hook up to.

It says on page 112 paragraph 5, 200 ma input... but no reference to the battery input or output sizes.

There are many reasons for a second edition of this book. In the mean time, I am very happy to be part of this growing community that is growing and sharing our success and failures, and wild ideas!

[ldissing]

AV Plug and the Bedini circuit

I've read so much in all these forums that I can remember if anybody reported doing the AV plug with the solid state oscillators.

I can report that I can run a 12 V motor (it is a rather small one, but bigger than the radio shack motors) by taking only one side of the third wire on the tri-fillar coil and putting a motor in there with two diodes and the motor will run. If I kick the input voltage to 24 V, the motor is screaming (running incredibly fast) ....it was pretty cool. I didn't think it would work, but it does in fact work...and I can do it on either side of the wire. It makes no difference. I can even put one AV plug on one side and one on the other with a motor on each one and the two motors run although a little slower. The oscillations changed form with a motor on the AV plug, which was interesting. They were about 3 times faster using the AV plug than without.

L

[ldissing]

Ok if I understand you correctly the connection coming off 7 you put a diode, do you put the stripe near 7 or near 7 or near 6? You are saying replace the wire now coming off 7 with a diode right? Or... are you adding the diode in with the present circuit?

I just added a diode (to the original circuit) from pin 7 to pin 6 with the "line" at the pin 6 side. The cathode is to pin 6, the anode to pin 7. The reason that the 555 is always greater than a 50% duty cycle, is that the discharge is through the combination of the resistor values, the diode allows a bypass. You might need to increase the value of the 330 ohm resistor, I used a 1K ohm resistor. By using this diode, you can make it less than 50% as long as the other resistor is bigger than 1K (or 330 ohms based on the original circuit).

I'm not saying this is a good thing to do, it was just interesting how I was hammered by the moderator and my post was not even allowed into the forum...at least as I remember it was not allowed.

L

[Filibuster]

Hi Hoppy,
is there any advantage to wire the triggerloop out of phase as compared to connecting the one end to the minuspole? Has the resonance freq of the primary to be adjusted to a specific frequency also ?

[Hoppy]

Hi Filibuster

I use a very simple blocking oscillator where the trigger / feedback winding is wired out of phase with the power winding. Looking at the two windings side by side, the bottom of the feedback winding is connected directly to the positive supply rail and the top is wired through a current limiting resistor to the transistor base. The resisior needs to be a high wattage wirewound resistor. A rheostat can be used as a variable resistor. This simple oscillator will give very fast rise time pulses and will start relaibly. Ensure that you fit a diode (IN4001) between base and emitter as with the vanilla SG, otherwise you could easily damage the transistor.

Your coil should be OK but you will probably decide to beef it up at some stage when you are more familiar with everything. I stick to 100ft strand length or less to keep impedance down. Multiple strands will give more power and this is the way to go when charging big battery banks.

The consensus opinion with dumping is not to dump very high voltages across the battery. One or two volts above battery voltage as measured directly across the cap is sufficient. The cap value will determine the dump frequency which should be adjusted to give optimum performance for a particular battery. I suggest you do not go above about 20V above battery terminal voltage because there is an awful lot of power in the discharge pulses.

The theory says that environmental negative energy is captured in the coil and transmutated to positive energy in the cap. However, I have no worthwhile opinion about whether this is in fact the case.

Hoppy

[Shamus]

There is one basic question: Is the event happening in the coil or in the battery? Any ideas or suggestions?

I think the answer is both: It's definitely in the coil as a simple experiment I posted in another thread (started by Amigo and I think was called 'analogue vs. solid state') will prove to you. And from what I've read of Bedini's material something happens in the battery as well--though I don't entirely understand the process that occurs there.

[Filibuster]

Diode

Yes,
see 555 timer