Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[polkin]

wiring diagramm

hello all
my English is not so good so i try not speak a lot but to give some points with diagrams.
Unfortunately i don't have an actual dynamo because it needs an amount of money to make it, but i think that i will make it soon.

very nice work from all and thank for searing

@Lidmotor and woopy
i love your work indeed but i have questions

is this the woopy diagram?

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8449&stc=1&d=1307276897

can you please tell me were we have to place the cap and the dc-dc supply?

also
this is the original diagram:

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8450&stc=1&d=1307277223

we can see 2 caps. is there an error? or we have to think far out of the box and maybe with no logic at all and make that???? :

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8451&stc=1&d=1307277635

thank for your time and everything!!!

good luck at all!!!

Regards Pascal

[totoalas]

External driver Circuit

Hi Lid and Woopy
Great results you have there
Just finished my neogen coil set up with hd magnets on the rotor
Now for the connection generator options?????
Parallel dc as Woopy did
Star for high speed rpm or Delta for low rpm and coonect to a single bridge rect from an alternator

Driver Options will try
Replace core with
1, NILS ferrite rod Slayer circuit
2. Lid Simple Muller driver with additional coil fitted to the inside of gen coil
3.Wrap a pancake coil on the Neogen coils using Slayer circuit and another ferrite rod wit coil inside the Neogen coil as L1

Other options
two separate series windings top and bottom coils connected to 12 v or 20 vac ac transformer to 220 v ac output
Looper circuit
1. Slider or Jonnys pick coil on top of neogen coils

Lots of tests
Hope you can try this also

My hd rotor have 8 single S N on surface of neodyne gued to magnetic shield and the bottom of the rotor is the same 8 hd magnets N S parallel to te top
Winding direction
Top left hand rule bottom right hnd rule
Biasing magnets
Wll put ferrite disc 3 25 mm by 1 mm magnet on the neogen coils 30 deg inclination on the clockwise rotation
N facing bottom and S facing top

Have a nice weekend

totoalas

[gyula]

Hi Laurent,

You mentioned using Romero's exact driver circuit that involves a Hall device and a PNP transistor. I made a post at ou.com where I suggested using a series resistor in the base of the transistor to reduce the base current a little which will reduce the collector current, hence the driving coils current, this way a possible input power reducement can be had with a probably negligible RPM reducement.
Muller Dynamo

Keep up the very good out of box thinking,

Gyula

[woopy]

Hi Lidmotor

always a fun of your great videos

And i thank you very much to point out and test what is in my "out of the box " thinking.

I tested today some different power and some different config of the driving coil

And it seams to me that the better would be to have a separated motor to drive the rotor. So we can exactly see what is going on in the generative coils coupled to an input power.

So we can study the BOXING CURRENT ( or perhaps this bloody matching impedance ) that a lot of people are speaking of but surely have not very practical knowledge of what it is , and that included me of course.

Fantastic thread here and lets go on

Thanks

Laurent

[Lidmotor]

Caps

@Lidmotor,

Have a look at my post over at OU.

Regards, Penno

The use of capacitors (and what kind and size) may be very important for this thing to work right. In my testing setup I have a large cap on the drive and a small one at the Joule Thief load. Romero may have been very right about "over thinking" what is going on here and getting stuck. There may have been a great deal of trial and error in his build. No matter WHAT one thinks about the validity of it -----there had to have been hundreds of hours of work put in to get where he was when the MIB showed up.

Lidmotor

[penno64]

@Lidmotor,

Have a look at my post over at OU.

Regards, Penno

[Lidmotor]

Woopy's Discovery----a big clue on how Romero did it???

@Woopy
I downloaded your new Romero circuit diagram this morning and studied it. You may be onto something. Paralleled generator and drive circuits may indeed be part of this mystery. You should post the diagram here also. I was able to somewhat replicate the "event" that Romeo showed in that first video where the amp draw did not go up when the light bulb load was applied. I just have a small "testing" unit to work with but the idea should work on others full scale units. Well done Laurent.
Here is the video of my test:

YouTube - ‪RomeroUK Muller----Woopy discovery!!.ASF‬‏

Cheers,
Lidmotor

[tutanka]

some ways but you need splitting the positive

You can use some ways for obtain BEMF or cold energy but in all case you need splitting the positive and add gravity mass for obtain an OU device. That is clear example of electronic scheme I think that help you a lot.

Circuit Simulator Applet

[minoly]

Ive been thinking the same thing also Minoly. Exactly that. It kind of reminds me about one of JB's patents. This is kind of what I was saying at the beginning of the thread. Very similar to ED's work. which in turn is similar to JB's work. Not that anyone is copying anything. But if its the type of system that works then they would be similar in many ways.
Ive been thinking of casting a few magnetite C type cores the way you drew em. I really think, thin acrylic tube that can be bent with a heat gun should suffice for the core form. wind coils. put over acrylic tube. bend to desired shape. stuff with as much magnetite/resin as possible.

Read your recent post today @ OU about possible coil shorting on top of the Kromrey stuff, excellent questions.
I did a small limited test last night with my son's amplified coil short.
after the rectifier I put a cap and shorted it:
YouTube - ‪Muller Bolt coil short speeds up‬‏
I think this is the key to the big lock on this door, only a couple more to go...

Patrick

[toranarod]

[ashtweth]

Hi guys,

Something to report I found interesting.

Im driving the rotor at 1900 rpm with the coils unloaded. If I place any of the coils in series with any other coil besides their opposite I do get an increase in voltage and current but when loaded I loose about 300-400 rpm. With each coil in series with its opposite, like Romero had essentially, all to bridges I get an increase in power with each one and a very minimal decrease in rpm. In one case I only lost 20rpm. I had 4 coilsets with bridges charging another battery and I was still at 1750 rpm.

The unit is 7 pole all north rotor, 6 coils each side, all air core.

So it was interesting to see that all coils to their respective bridges loaded down the rotor less. I get increases in no load voltages each time I parallel another bridge. I think with 3 bridges it was around 35v. I still need to get a current meter, as the other one is monitoring the input of the SG.

Regards

Thx Bro

[woopy]

Hi all

hope this can helps

good luck at all


YouTube - ‪romero-muller 4.wmv‬‏


Laurent

[ren]

Hi Gyula,

Good to hear from you again.

My device is a little unorthodox, it should perhaps have a separate thread started. But I thought my last post relevant to the muller build being done here so I shared.

The muller is in full gen mode, meaning it has no drive coils. To rotate the shaft I am using a 3 coil multiple transistor SG. So my input is variable up to 150v and I have kept the SG output separate for now. So any decrease in rotor speed due to drag from the generator costs me no more on the input to the SG.

I did some tests with a removeable core on one coil. I do note an increase in output with a magnet on the core but with air cores I haven't seen any improvement. I will be looking at cores again soon now that I have all coils in place. I was reading a link on magnetic amplifiers and I saw that saturating a core with a magnet lowers inductance and allows more ac current to pass. I believe this is the reason for the effect.

I have tried some various loads there 12v 3 watt led, and 12v batteries. I will do some tests with resistors. Pretty happy with the results so far, the coils are wound on homemade wooden bobbins there is much space wasted not only on the ends but in center. If the center wasn't so large (40mm diameter, 20mm hollow center) I could fit more turns and most likely increase the capabilities. As it is when the magnet is tdc it actually doesn't have any windings directly opposite. But I can't complain, these coils were left overs and were the only reason I was able to get something up and running quickly.

I will do a video soon, almost ready

Regards

[gyula]

Hi Ren,

It is interesting you left out the ferrite cores from the coils. Of course any experience counts and is many times useful, thanks for sharing.

On your missing current meter: until you obtain a real one and you have got an extra voltmeter of any kind, you could still use a series resistor of 1 Ohm, or 5 Ohm etc and connect the voltmeter across it to see the voltage drop, from the voltage changes you can see whether the output "current" draw increases or decreases. For the tests it is not so important what is the actual value of a current, only watching its changing up or down can be a big help too.

Still that you do not have ferromagnetic cores, you may wish to place a permanent magnet near the outer end of the generator coils and see how the drag or the output changes.

In your tests when you found the RPM decreased say 300-400, did the input current draw increased accordingly? (indicating normal Lenz drag) The same question to the lost 20 RPM case too. Romero wrote he needed 1 month to get there...

Thanks, Gyula

[ren]

Hi guys,

Something to report I found interesting.

Im driving the rotor at 1900 rpm with the coils unloaded. If I place any of the coils in series with any other coil besides their opposite I do get an increase in voltage and current but when loaded I loose about 300-400 rpm. With each coil in series with its opposite, like Romero had essentially, all to bridges I get an increase in power with each one and a very minimal decrease in rpm. In one case I only lost 20rpm. I had 4 coilsets with bridges charging another battery and I was still at 1750 rpm.

The unit is 7 pole all north rotor, 6 coils each side, all air core.

So it was interesting to see that all coils to their respective bridges loaded down the rotor less. I get increases in no load voltages each time I parallel another bridge. I think with 3 bridges it was around 35v. I still need to get a current meter, as the other one is monitoring the input of the SG.

Regards