Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[Shadesz]

I reckon it is way past time to jump ship

I wish wattsup could employ his skills and gather the detail needed to replicate this -

YouTube - ‪Motor Magnetico Argentino (Argentinean Magnetic Motor)‬‏

At least it seems more realistic.

I don't know. Looks kinda scammy to me. Notice how the led's light up before the unit is spinning?

[toranarod]

Hi "toranarod" "Slider2732"
I use the attached picture of the driver circuit,
Respectively on the drive coil parallel capacitor Ca and Cb. Change the value respectively: 0.22uF, 0.33uF, 0.47uF, 0.68uF, 1uF.
No-load speed respectively: 700rpm, 800rpm, 900rpm, 1000rpm, 1100rpm, 1200rpm, 1300rpm, 1400rpm, 1500rpm, 1600rpm, 1700rpm, 1800rpm, 1900rpm, 2000rpm. Try to find the resonance, But: as long as the load is connected, In any case not be able to get the rotor acceleration.

Where I really did not do right?

[Slider2732]

Hi yx,
My motors are about as simple as they can be. Just 1 transistor, that switches on and off due to the Hall sensor. The same coil is for power and collection on mine and the coil has to be positioned extremely finely to get the effect. I've managed it twice, the first time by accident (which was in the video), the second time I had nothing in place to keep the coil exactly where it was positioned.
I can imagine that very fine threaded screws, one for forward/back and one for left/right could allow the position to be found.
One thing to note - there was no capacitor on the circuit at all, for the both times I managed the 'super speed' effect.
Also, you should be able to run the setup at the same speed no matter what the voltage is that you are running at. At whatever voltage, the rotor will turn at exactly the same speed. If that does happen, then you are not far from having the placement of the coil correct.
That has been my experience, I hope toranarod can give more advice.

[yx630514]

Can not get the rotor acceleration

Hi "toranarod" "Slider2732"
I use the attached picture of the driver circuit,
Respectively on the drive coil parallel capacitor Ca and Cb. Change the value respectively: 0.22uF, 0.33uF, 0.47uF, 0.68uF, 1uF.
No-load speed respectively: 700rpm, 800rpm, 900rpm, 1000rpm, 1100rpm, 1200rpm, 1300rpm, 1400rpm, 1500rpm, 1600rpm, 1700rpm, 1800rpm, 1900rpm, 2000rpm. Try to find the resonance, But: as long as the load is connected, In any case not be able to get the rotor acceleration.

Where I really did not do right?

[penno64]

I reckon it is way past time to jump ship

I wish wattsup could employ his skills and gather the detail needed to replicate this -

YouTube - ‪Motor Magnetico Argentino (Argentinean Magnetic Motor)‬‏

At least it seems more realistic.

Just cant for the life of me figure how Romero got more than a couple of volts from his gen coils. I've obviously
used all the tricks I know of and short of using multifilar coils to raise the voltage, I just can't get there.

Penno

p.s. That totallyamped site is excellent - very understandable.

[toranarod]

I find it very interesting your chart.

What is so interesting to me is how when you up the voltage the efficiency of the out put watts goes up.


Thank you for posting these results. It did seem when I was doing testing with the Bedini / Monopole I was getting the same results as I went up in voltage the watts out for the watts in increased.

There is a good reason why some of the great names in OU always recommend Hi voltages. I got side tracked today you can see why on the EV Gray thread
I stared. testing some pulse discharge ideas.

[theremart]

Toranaro,

I find it very interesting your chart.

What is so interesting to me is how when you up the voltage the efficiency of the out put watts goes up.


Thank you for posting these results. It did seem when I was doing testing with the Bedini / Monopole I was getting the same results as I went up in voltage the watts out for the watts in increased.

[Joit]

Well, i have now a very crude build from a Muller like Motor,
with a CD-Rotor with 6 N-S Magnets to 5 Coils with #18 Wire.
I made me for the first Runs a mechanical Commutator, where i can drive 2 Pairs of Coils on the opposite from the Stator or next to eachother, and has adjustable Timing.
It does not run with only one Pair of Coils, i need to use 2 Pairs and it gives the first Push at about 50% Duty cycle.
The interesting Part is, the second Coil needs a shorter one, and the Rotor will drive way faster.
So it does mean, that the same Duty Cycles are not all times optimal.

I still got a lot of Drag on it, can run it almost at 30V and about 2 Amps, nothing optimal, and now i have to think about, to rewind the Coils on a smaller Core, which now cover a bit of the half from my Magnets, or make the Rotor bigger, that the Magnets are further apart, and the Rotor act as Flywheel, also the Distance from the Coils, or use more Coils as Magnets.
I also connected the Coils from one Side in Serie, and tried to connect them overall then in Parallel.
But it wont work, it dont get that way no real Potentials, even, i dont have any FWBR's on it.
I did that, because i find it some strange, that Muller can get about 100Volts and more from this thick Coils, what is not easy to get with #12 Wires.
But what i have seen, it does not make much matter, if there is Load connected or not,
sometimes it even is better with a Load, as i could bring it to run at my first attempts, as without.

The Design itself has something on it, what is worth to look into further,
even when i dont get it now, that Muller had such big Cores, (as it seems)
and they have different Scope shots at this Rebuild, where it clearly shows 2 negative Connection Times, and then 2 positive connecting Times, but i assume, they show the Drive Coils, where the alternating Poles are droven.
But the Informations at Mullers Page are anyway a bit confusing and uncomplete.
And anyway, my Build has not much to do with the Build from Romero,
and i think also, that it does not make much different, if you use the Magnets NS or NN, because you get in both cases a induction into the Coil, what moves from the Rotor to the outer Side of the Coils. But anyhow Muller has used something else to drive this thing as only turn the drive Coils on and use the other one for Pickup.

[Slider2732]

Ah, one thing about wild geese and chasing them, is that if you catch one, it may well lay a golden egg
The way these new laws of physics seem to be shaping up, then the best device to catch the goose would be a fishing rod lol
And hey, look at Rod's results above, a tenacious chap indeed, fishing for the right combination !

Thanks ZpE for your help btw, much appreciated

[Web000x]

Thanks for being so relentless in your efforts to uncover any mysteries of this device. You were given funds by ashtweth to fund this. That is basically a stamp of awesome approval, and thank you for not giving up. I will admit that this project might have been put on the back-burner had it been myself.

I really think that this document has some merit to understanding the device. Elias has posted about this same concept in the past, but I have not frequented this thread in a while since it reminds me of another wild goose chase.

I apologize for my "wild goose chase" comments to the serious experimenter that is putting time and effort into this replication.

I hope this document can shed light on this subject. If you will remember, Muller had magnetite/resin cast cores that cured while magnetically oriented.

Dave

[toranarod]

high voltage better efficiency

Sounds like a good idea.
If you keep on going, I think you are going to get there.
Thanks for the updates

Steve

Here are the results of a day of testing

I am going up to 75 volts in the next test today

[quantumuppercut]

YouTube - ‪Steven E. Jones / Joule Ringer / Update‬‏

At the end, lasersaber tuned the circuit with the magnet. I was thinking if RUK used the magnets to tune his rotor speed to resonate with his LC coil.

Thank you lasersaber.

[Steve220]

Sounds good

Hello Steve220. High voltages is where I want to direct my research.

I am going to move on to some ideas I have wanted to work on for a while

I keep going back to High voltages and discharging caps into coils to produce shock magnetic fields. So this is what my new post will be about.

I am going to start a new thread dedicated to this subject as it has no place here.

I will keep my Romero motor running and tinker any time I get a idea or there is a post about a break through.


Cheers

Sounds like a good idea.
If you keep on going, I think you are going to get there.
Thanks for the updates

Steve

[yx630514]

Hi toranarod

I think your experiment is very valuable, So I have been following your experiments, I hope you update the progress at any time.

But: I do not understand your current experiment, In a drive coil at the same time, "attraction" and "Repulsion", Force should be offset, Will not be able to rotate the rotor.
How do you let the normal rotation of the rotor?

Your position is how two Hall transistors arranged? Hope to see you complete the circuit, And hall transistor mounting position diagram.

Thank you!

[toranarod]

my test Litz verse single strand

Litz coil 200 turns 7 strands .4mm 24m Henry's
output voltage 260, 140 m Amps 36 Watts
input current 960 m AMPS, input Watts 48 Watts



Single strand 300 turns 1 m wire 5.6 m Henry's
output voltage 75, 60 m Amps, 4.5 watts.
input current 433 m Amps, input Watts 10.32

both coils where triggered by the same duty cycle, 544 u Sec X 4

cheers