Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[Zooty]

wow! ok there is obviously more drag on the rotor because the gen coils are almost permanently shorted out but on Rod's setup, this is a positive!

[Xenomorph]

Hi all,

While backtracking and thinking about what he was working on prior to the dynamo, I went back throuh the coil shorting thread.

I think the answer to the waveform can come from Nilrehob!

Penno

@Penno, if you haven't checked OU today,
JoeFR has posted a nice video about coil-unshorting on OU:
‪Coil Shorting vs Coil UnShorting‬‏ - YouTube
Significant gain in cap voltage.

[penno64]

Hi all,

While backtracking and thinking about what he was working on prior to the dynamo, I went back throuh the coil shorting thread.

I think the answer to the waveform can come from Nilrehob!

Penno

[MonsieurM]

I remember when this was going to be easy to replicate in like a week ....

I know that doesn't help any, but really. Nobody wanted to think through the realities of this thing.... better to take some guys hoax as a given and just believe....this approach is not very scientific. Romero should have learned a little bit from JB and put together some kits and sold them with the disclaimer : it'll work if you tinker with it long enough.


real question.....have you built a device that directly accesses a formerly unknown type of energy? No, I don't think so, I think you are building a generator....maybe it is lensless . but . energy output comes directly from the coil/magnet relationship, like any gen.

LAW:

you can not create energy


this thing never "self ran" you all know it...romereo knew it....

Not yet, one wall has been broken (ie: len's law), let's learn how it got broken then the rest will follow...i think positive

[142857]

I remember when this was going to be easy to replicate in like a week ....

I know that doesn't help any, but really. Nobody wanted to think through the realities of this thing.... better to take some guys hoax as a given and just believe....this approach is not very scientific. Romero should have learned a little bit from JB and put together some kits and sold them with the disclaimer : it'll work if you tinker with it long enough.


real question.....have you built a device that directly accesses a formerly unknown type of energy? No, I don't think so, I think you are building a generator....maybe it is lensless . but . energy output comes directly from the coil/magnet relationship, like any gen.

LAW:

you can not create energy


this thing never "self ran" you all know it...romereo knew it....

[quantumuppercut]

What he is showing that greater current have less drag instead of more drag.

Romero setup claims that there is no drag under this kind of configuration.
He had the side of the magnet approaching the coil instead of a single pole.

Shorting coil gives back more power #16

[Zooty]

Am i missing something in rod's last test? The RPM is always lower than no gen coil at all even when the gen coil is dead short. I thought the RPM would go over the initial one.

[marxist]

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original message has become obsolete, so i deleted it

[MonsieurM]

for those wanting to do some simulations, i found this open source software simulator:

Computational electromagnetics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Download emGine Environment - 3D Electromagnetic (EM) field simulator, software for antenna simulation, microwave filter design, analysis of planar circuits, e.g., in microstrip or coplanar technology

[toranarod]

tree in a forest motor

Here is the days results.
This is with a new coil i wound today. The coil is based again on the slider configuration. There are no magnets on the side of the coil.
the diagrams and photos should explain it all.

I have created a video. you tube link.
‪Pulse Motors and Lenz Law‬‏ - YouTube







The coil was wired in this configuration. It behaved no better or worse than
the single stand 5.6 that was there before. This is about the core to magnet.
not so much the copper wire around it.

[toranarod]

Random wondering -
If the rotor is moving clockwise, part of the de-Lenz will be negated by both side magnets being the same. Would there be benefits in angling the approach magnet toward the coil, such that the field is slipped past the coil rather than simply negated ?

hello slider I was wondering where you had gone.
all my motors spin anticlockwise.
to your second question. this is the thing. New territory please give it a try.

Woopy. watch the fingers. I had a magnet rip my finger nail. that hurt.

[toranarod]

First question
Is it worth moving this to a thread of its own? What do you think?

Replicating this is important. I am happy for help from all to achieve this.

Most important is this design is very much in its beginning stages there will be lot s of changes along the way.

Xenomorph

At what RPM can you introduce the generator coil to see the effect? 3800 RPM.
Is it at max RPM or a bit under?
Things seem to start around 2800 to 3200. 3800 is where there is no drag any more. I suspect 4200 and more load will increase speed.
I have been very conservative with my figures. What really happens? No load the RPM is a bit slower than I have listed in the chart. You need a bit of load to keep the speed up.

What is the strength of the 2 attached magnets? N42? YES

Minoly

I never tried north.
I have posted this as it happens. Not ever given a poll change any thought.

I want to try ferrite cores. So I am going to scale it down when the ferrite comes in. there is a very important factor magnet to surface area ratio.

There is a relation ship between all the parameters.
Every thing is required to be just right. Or no go.
What this ideal combination is I have only speculation at this stage.
So any body building this will really be building it with me.

thank you to all for your support.Back to work.

[woopy]

he he Rod

you are making a new push in that research Bravo

here i made a rotor with the magnets i have.

But doing a first test with holding (by hand ) the coil and its 2 side magnets very near of the rotor (spinning at 3000 rpm , the rotor is fixed on the shaft of a 12 volts DC motor connected to my powersupply ), my bloody cell phone rang in my pocket. And as i am one of those "stupid and uncorrigible humanoid " i could 'nt prevent me to answer. And of course my hand moved and my coil was sucked in the rotor

OK will repair and redo all this correctly and concentrated tomorrow

thank's for sharing

good luck at all and take care

Laurent

[Slider2732]

Random wondering -
If the rotor is moving clockwise, part of the de-Lenz will be negated by both side magnets being the same. Would there be benefits in angling the approach magnet toward the coil, such that the field is slipped past the coil rather than simply negated ?

[elias]

I know how you feel Rod!
Just see how much the Iron cores drag your rotor, I have achieved acceleration when lighting up lamps with such a device back in February this year, but with Iron cores, which have significant eddy drag to them.
We need to move to Ferrite cores to be able to increase the number of coils without affecting the RPM.

Eventually we will make it, because it has been done before, but there has been so much disinfo flying around preventing us to replicate these devices successfully.

This is what the Watson Machine was all about. This is what the Muller Generator was about, and this is what the Adams motor was about, and Thane has been telling this for about three years now.

Your hiding a tree in a forest is a really fabulous idea.
Good Luck!
Elias