Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[elias]

Here is something I thought was worth another video.
Lenz Law & Eddy Currents_2 coil shorting - YouTube

really interesting. So does it mean that the ring is attracted to the shorted coil, or it is repelled further from the driving coil? Does shorting the coil increase the current from your variac?

[toranarod]

Coils Shorting

Here is something I thought was worth another video.
Lenz Law & Eddy Currents_2 coil shorting - YouTube

[Farmhand]

I was looking at this drawing I made of some coils for the drawing above and
realized I might be back at square one with a "Romero" type setup.

Isn't it ? I think it could work with similar coils for some integrated
generator coils, but bifilar series connected gen coils. While the motor coils I
think superimposed transformer type coils would be best. What I mean is the
motor could have some gen coils as well as the proposed transformer motor
coils and drive a real Muller from the shaft of this one.



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And I think as long as neat sinusoidal AC was not required the gen coils could
be asymmetrical, but the motor coils and magnets need be even, I think.

Cheers

P.S. I think if anyone already has Muller or Romero type setups and has bifilar
coils they could maybe join some wire to one of the bifilar winding's and wind
some more turns on the outside of four coils to use for motor transformer
coils, that should increase the voltage caused by transformer action so that it
exceeds the driving voltage of the opposite drive coil set source.

The upper and lower secondary FWBR can be paralleled or anti paralleled or
whatever it's called also. I think whats needed it lots of transformations.
More the better.


2nd P.S Now that I think about it "sets" of Transformer drive coils could be
arranged series connected, like two sets of "upper and lower" series
connected or, all of them even, so only one switch.

I do think two phases is the way to go though. Two switches.
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[Farmhand]

Dang this thing might fly
Just taking a break from winding a toroid, amusing myself

You never know. Tie it down. Be careful, if a complete device was to jump off
the table like one of those discs in the EV Gray video it could be dangerous.
Especially if it has a high velocity rotor.

After that you would need to reverse polarity or turn it upside down then if the
bench is strong enough no problem.

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[Dave45]

Great idea, it got me thinking of the Testika electrostatic generator, I couldnt help myself

Dang this thing might fly
Just taking a break from winding a toroid, amusing myself

[Dave45]

So do I?

I have a few ideas to make it rotate a rotor. I want to separate all the magnet anomalies. tying to individuality isolate each one.

Anyway Shades here is a thought.

As you know the aluminum ring will not levitate if its got a slot cut in it, Correct? I am going to see if I can switch the ring on and off shorting out the slot with a reed switch.

what do you think?

this stuff is so much fun

Great idea, it got me thinking of the Testika electrostatic generator, I couldnt help myself

[Dave45]

I think the aluminum ring is being effected by the E field the magnetic field is running through the center of the ring the electric field is running through the ring, thats why its heating up, that also explains why the split ring doesnt work.

This also shows you what your core is doing, by having it sticking out the back of your coil its moving the E field away from your coil,
Dave

[quantumuppercut]

I just thought of something.

If professor Lewin is correct on the formula wL/R being the phase angle, then we can use that formula. What I think is we might have grabbed the wrong L for the equation. A coil have two different L(s), one is coil inductance and the other is wire inductance. I think the formula apply to wire inductance for our case.

Inductance of a Straight Wire: A Calculator

"...Even a single, straight piece of wire has some inductance!
We generally associate inductance with a loop or coil of wire. However, even a straight piece of wire, or your electrode, has some self-inductance. This can be important if you are dealing with low impedances (< 1 ohm) at high frequencies (> 10kHz)."

[Farmhand]

Like this kind of. The rotor could have permanent magnets this way. This drawing only shows half there should be four transformers opposites series connected and two phases 90*. Each pair could actually be above and below a vertical pole rotor magnet just like a Muller.

Concept only ! I don't say this works.
S1 connects to C1 and S2 connects to C2.


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Can anyone see why this won't work ?

Edit: This bit of text is from the book Page 23. To do with Tesla's motors like I
linked here. http://www.energeticforum.com/160950-post72.html

The employment of multipolar motors secures in this system an
advantage much desired and unattainable in the continuous current
system, and that is, that a motor may be made to run exactly
at a predetermined speed irrespective of imperfections in construction,
of the load, and, within certain limits, of electromotive
force and current strength.

Anything that will run very cheap and drive a cogging-less Muller should work well.

[Shadesz]

So do I?

I have a few ideas to make it rotate a rotor. I want to separate all the magnet anomalies. tying to individuality isolate each one.

Anyway Shades here is a thought.

As you know the aluminum ring will not levitate if its got a slot cut in it, Correct? I am going to see if I can switch the ring on and off shorting out the slot with a reed switch.

what do you think?

this stuff is so much fun

isolating each one would be a good idea. It would help us tune our learning.

That's a good idea, I wonder how do you plan to use that idea???? Reed switch or a transistor maybe?

[Farmhand]

An important excerpt from the second article I linked...

I really really think we can use this even more then we already accidentally might be doing.

I agree with you Shades, if Lens law cannot explain it that is good.
And I think it "could" be more than it looks.

I also think if Rod was to setup his best generator setup to date, the one with
the switching of the coils. And drove it with his outrunner powered in a kind of
"switch up" arrangement to recirculate energy in a closed loop drive circuit, he
could show over unity type performance. The more drag on the motor from
the generator the greater the magnitude of recirculating current in the drive
loop, small loss. A fully Lenzed up generator shouldn't be a problem, but
improvements are always good. By definition.

Ideally the closed loop drive circuit should be all in one with the motor. I think

Cheers

[toranarod]

Rod...the magnets you have been using so far were all similar or of different shapes and if so which ones?

thanks

I have been swapping magnets around a lot.

I have found my worst combination was my 30mm x 25mm disc magnets.
They where just to big for my rotor size. 10mm x 10mm where the best up to a point because they where silty smaller than the core face.

I am see good results with the 16mm dia ring magnets in combination with my 14mm iron core.

see photo



the other point is the aluminum bracket holding the magnets.
see how its bolted to the rotor. that bracket completes a circuit through the bolts that fix it to the PVC disc.Good or bad that is the question.
I am now wondering about what kind of effect that has.

[MonsieurM]

Rod...the magnets you have been using so far were all similar or of different shapes and if so which ones?

thanks

[toranarod]

An important excerpt from the second article I linked...



I really really think we can use this even more then we already accidentally might be doing.

So do I?

I have a few ideas to make it rotate a rotor. I want to separate all the magnet anomalies. tying to individuality isolate each one.

Anyway Shades here is a thought.

As you know the aluminum ring will not levitate if its got a slot cut in it, Correct? I am going to see if I can switch the ring on and off shorting out the slot with a reed switch.

what do you think?

this stuff is so much fun

[qvision]

Check this out.

The entire lecture is great, but the part I start you at is an actual application of the phase shift I am talking about. But instead of levitating aluminum or a woman, let's levitate magnets.

I remember seeing the experiment on a video called Free Energy Inventions, it was similar to the following video link but i think it needed quite high voltage :

Levitation of an Electromagnetic Induction Coil - YouTube