Captret - Perpetual Light with Dead Batteries

[ibpointless2]

Thank you for your input. It is very interesting to see that voltage rise on some of the setups. I don't know why either and to tell you the truth if we could figure this out it would change the way we do low voltage electronics. Solar would be king to maintain the source and our world will be better for it. There are a lot of things this could be useful for but the thing that makes it hard to replicate is the quality of the caps. Out of 10 caps I bought new for .35 a piece only half have this capability. It's weird.

How did you check yours for this ability?

[Jbignes5]

Thank you

Here is my time trials for 60 hours (3 or so days)



For a higher resoloution please click here captretfinal | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Yellow line is "Black"
Green line is "green" (glad calx got that one right)
Red line is "White"
Blue line is "Silver"
Brown line is LED.

"Black" is a 17r8h NIMH Rechargable 9volt battery, connected to 3, 2uF 200 V electrolytics, in the captret fashion with no load.

"Green" is the same 17r8h NIMH Rechargable 9volt battery, connected to 3, 330v 80uf electrolytic caps in the captret fashion.

"Silver" is a non rechargable 9volt ray-o-vac heavy duty 9volt connected to 3 330v 120uf Electrolytics with no load in the captret fashion.

"White" is a 200mAh NiMh 8.4v rechargable battery connected to 3, 25v 4700 uf "supercaps" in the captret fashion. no load.

"LED" is 2 dead 17r8h NIMH Rechargable 9volt batteries connected to one 1uF 50v electrolytic tiny capacitor in the captret fashion, with a LED as a load on the + and - of the capacitor, ALA the original schematic.

Review.

LED starts at 10.95 ends at 11.51 and still climbing.
Silver starts at 8.80 and ends at 8.96 and slowly climbing.
Black starts at 8.57 and ends at 8.20 and dropping........
White starts at 8.66 and ends at 8.79 and fluctuating up and down.
Green starts at 8.60 and ends at 8.33 and dropping....

I also hooked up capacitors only (25v 4700 uf) with one being the "battery" and the 3 being the captret. No load. Constant loss from 1.340 down to .475 over 3 days.

The results are "LED" has grown in charge, "silver" has increased a little, "Black" has constantly dropped, "White" has increased a little as well, "Green" has decreased, and my "quad" as in the 4 identical caps have decreased ever since the start.

Now, i think this warrents further investigation, however the right capacitor and load are needed to observe the charging effect. What the right capacitor is, I would imagine something high voltage... but who knows. "White" used 25v caps and is increasing in voltage very very slowly. The highest gain is "LED" which uses 2 really dead 9volts and a LED as a load. this light is so dim you couldn't use it as a nightlight in pitch blackness, but you could use it as something to find maybe a lightswitch in the dark... like a dim indicator or something.

I agree with Lasersaber's video that this arrangement prolongs the life of a load more then usual, so my recommended path to progress toward is replacing the LED in the standard circuit with an oscillator or JT or something that can run on very small watts and produce more light. Almost no current but some decent volts and run time this way.

Some thoughts...
Battery bounce back might take place the first 24 hours after a load or charge, while this recharging effect is constant. There is a drain on the battery larger then what I would imagine as soon as the cct is hooked up, larger then just filling the caps in the cct... Like the current is burning a new path to the O connection inside the cap. Once the path is set up, then the magic happens.

Usefullness 1 out of 10.
Interesting properties, 7 out of 10.

Maybe this could be devoloped further to do something more then have a dim light. Its a good charge controller for a power source in higher voltage then the LED could normally take.

Anyway. Thats my findings. 3 working "ou" circuits and 3 "duds" all hooked up similar, with one being different.

-->Skeptics notes. The inductance changes while the circuit is running, so thats why you see the voltage climb. (But when I disconnect the CCT the voltage remains high..) (And why would an inductance be changed in a CAPACITOR...??? )

--> My notes . I still believe that a NP OR PN or NPN or PNP junction is being formed by the passage of current burning the elements in the capacitor at high enough voltages. I have no scientific grounds to back this up, its just conjecture. Phantom diode..... The Dr. finds his Phd in a capacitor :-)

Who knows. Its milivolts being put back in, its not like entire watts. Baby steps...

At the end of the (midweek), there is a larger voltage on some of my batteries then others.. Perplexing.

Thanks for reading,
Peace.

Thank you for your input. It is very interesting to see that voltage rise on some of the setups. I don't know why either and to tell you the truth if we could figure this out it would change the way we do low voltage electronics. Solar would be king to maintain the source and our world will be better for it. There are a lot of things this could be useful for but the thing that makes it hard to replicate is the quality of the caps. Out of 10 caps I bought new for .35 a piece only half have this capability. It's weird.

[CosmicFarmer]

Ok now i'm starting to worry, Youtube is really trying to keep me from making comments to people on my videos. Anyone else experiencing this? Or Youtube really trying to censor me? I can post comments on others videos but not on my captret or free energy videos.

No links, youtube will cockblock it. Just take out the .com and the http and most of the slashes and it should work...

[CosmicFarmer]

Here is my time trials for 60 hours (3 or so days)



For a higher resoloution please click here captretfinal | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Yellow line is "Black"
Green line is "green" (glad calx got that one right)
Red line is "White"
Blue line is "Silver"
Brown line is LED.

"Black" is a 17r8h NIMH Rechargable 9volt battery, connected to 3, 2uF 200 V electrolytics, in the captret fashion with no load.

"Green" is the same 17r8h NIMH Rechargable 9volt battery, connected to 3, 330v 80uf electrolytic caps in the captret fashion.

"Silver" is a non rechargable 9volt ray-o-vac heavy duty 9volt connected to 3 330v 120uf Electrolytics with no load in the captret fashion.

"White" is a 200mAh NiMh 8.4v rechargable battery connected to 3, 25v 4700 uf "supercaps" in the captret fashion. no load.

"LED" is 2 dead 17r8h NIMH Rechargable 9volt batteries connected to one 1uF 50v electrolytic tiny capacitor in the captret fashion, with a LED as a load on the + and - of the capacitor, ALA the original schematic.

Review.

LED starts at 10.95 ends at 11.51 and still climbing.
Silver starts at 8.80 and ends at 8.96 and slowly climbing.
Black starts at 8.57 and ends at 8.20 and dropping........
White starts at 8.66 and ends at 8.79 and fluctuating up and down.
Green starts at 8.60 and ends at 8.33 and dropping....

I also hooked up capacitors only (25v 4700 uf) with one being the "battery" and the 3 being the captret. No load. Constant loss from 1.340 down to .475 over 3 days.

The results are "LED" has grown in charge, "silver" has increased a little, "Black" has constantly dropped, "White" has increased a little as well, "Green" has decreased, and my "quad" as in the 4 identical caps have decreased ever since the start.

Now, i think this warrents further investigation, however the right capacitor and load are needed to observe the charging effect. What the right capacitor is, I would imagine something high voltage... but who knows. "White" used 25v caps and is increasing in voltage very very slowly. The highest gain is "LED" which uses 2 really dead 9volts and a LED as a load. this light is so dim you couldn't use it as a nightlight in pitch blackness, but you could use it as something to find maybe a lightswitch in the dark... like a dim indicator or something.

I agree with Lasersaber's video that this arrangement prolongs the life of a load more then usual, so my recommended path to progress toward is replacing the LED in the standard circuit with an oscillator or JT or something that can run on very small watts and produce more light. Almost no current but some decent volts and run time this way.

Some thoughts...
Battery bounce back might take place the first 24 hours after a load or charge, while this recharging effect is constant. There is a drain on the battery larger then what I would imagine as soon as the cct is hooked up, larger then just filling the caps in the cct... Like the current is burning a new path to the O connection inside the cap. Once the path is set up, then the magic happens.

Usefullness 1 out of 10.
Interesting properties, 7 out of 10.

Maybe this could be devoloped further to do something more then have a dim light. Its a good charge controller for a power source in higher voltage then the LED could normally take.

Anyway. Thats my findings. 3 working "ou" circuits and 3 "duds" all hooked up similar, with one being different.

-->Skeptics notes. The inductance changes while the circuit is running, so thats why you see the voltage climb. (But when I disconnect the CCT the voltage remains high..) (And why would an inductance be changed in a CAPACITOR...??? )

--> My notes . I still believe that a NP OR PN or NPN or PNP junction is being formed by the passage of current burning the elements in the capacitor at high enough voltages. I have no scientific grounds to back this up, its just conjecture. Phantom diode..... The Dr. finds his Phd in a capacitor :-)

Who knows. Its milivolts being put back in, its not like entire watts. Baby steps...

At the end of the (midweek), there is a larger voltage on some of my batteries then others.. Perplexing.

Thanks for reading,
Peace.

[Joit]

I was under the impression that distilled water was less conductive than regular waters. Less particles in the water that actually do the conducting

Destilled Water has lesser Resistance then normal Water.

[Jbignes5]

Now.....

I'm testing a captret on some junk batteries with promising results, thanks to IBpointless2 and Jbig for encouraging me to test this phenominon more fully.


Here is my video showing it all
YouTube - automan812's Channel

Cheers

I guess I got to make a jewel thief rofl...

[automan]

Captret powering Joule Thief

I'm testing a captret on some junk batteries with promising results, thanks to IBpointless2 and Jbig for encouraging me to test this phenominon more fully.


Here is my video showing it all
YouTube - automan812's Channel

Cheers

[electricity]

ionic conduction fluid

It looks for me more like another Attempt to sproad missleading Informations from electricity.

sorry, meant to say induction

sodium chloride will consume all of your Al

no dis-info here,

why re-invent the wheel when it's already done for you by major corporations?

save time, adopt and move on.

anyone made a large captret yet?.

[Jbignes5]

No go on the replication...

What i get is conduction of the positive through the water. Thats not what we need here. We must maintain an inductive coupling but not a conduction.

[redrichie]

I was under the impression that distilled water was less conductive than regular waters. Less particles in the water that actually do the conducting

Why dont you use Rainwater or Distilled Water, it should conduct better,
it is similar at making HHO.
Using Salt increase the conducting from Water also.
YouTube - Vergleich Leitfähigkeit Salzwasser-Leitungswasser
And at few Capacitors the Electret is a thin oxidated Layer.

It looks for me more like another Attempt to sproad missleading Informations from electricity.

[Joit]

Btw

Ok, you don't need to put salt into it you only need water. Salt might corrode the aluminium foil. Thanks electricity

The newest captret has a smaller negative on the outside and about the same size positive in the middle. The captret part is bigger then both. The voltage in battery is 5.38 volts, but negative to captret it goes up to 5.50 volts. So the bigger the captret foil and the smaller the negative and positive the higher the voltage.

This could be where the self charging is coming from, because you need higher voltage to charge and thats what the captret is doing.

Why dont you use Rainwater or Distilled Water, it should conduct better,
it is similar at making HHO.
Using Salt increase the conducting from Water also.
YouTube - Vergleich Leitfähigkeit Salzwasser-Leitungswasser
And at few Capacitors the Electret is a thin oxidated Layer.

It looks for me more like another Attempt to sproad missleading Informations from electricity.

[ibpointless2]

Ok now i'm starting to worry, Youtube is really trying to keep me from making comments to people on my videos. Anyone else experiencing this? Or Youtube really trying to censor me? I can post comments on others videos but not on my captret or free energy videos.

[ibpointless2]

I found the below quote on Keelynet.com while researching electrets for another project from an article titled, Electrets for Power Q&A.



Likewise, the captret is more than likely closer to the double capacitor circuit than it is to a normal battery charger. I hope this is not the case. Lasersaber video clearly shows the capacitor/captret needs to be fed pulses of energy from a battery in order to keep the LED continuously lit. If the captret was producing more out than in, then the capacitor wouldn't need pulses of external energy from a battery and the captret would be self-sufficient. IMO, the captret is not self-sufficient at this stage, thus it's not OU, and any claims of such is misleading.

The captret needs to be researched though. I posted information at overunity.com about negative impedance and it appears to have been ignored, which is of no surprise. It would be interesting to know how the captret would perform with some of the circuits contained in the negative impedance article. The information on negative impedance wasn't to try and explain the effect. The information was posted to improve and take the captret forward and into a new direction in hopes of making it self-sufficient. Let's not limit our thinking to only lighting LED's, but instead try to think much bigger.

Revealing the Mystery of Negative Impedance

Negative impedance converter




GB

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, while expecting a different result".

Lasersaber captret only needs pulses to keep the LED bright, he doesn't know how long it will run for when the LED is dim. The LED will stay lit for awhile, so long that lasersaber doesn't know becuase it takes awhile, but if you want the LED to be bright you must pulse it.

[gravityblock]

I got video proof of a captret able to boost voltage above what the battery has in it. We can make voltage multipliers from captrets that use no amps.

I found the below quote on Keelynet.com while researching electrets for another project from an article titled, Electrets for Power Q&A.

I can take a simple circuit that charges 2 capacitors in parallel from a dead battery and then connect the capacitors in series and discharges them back into the battery. Although no new energy is put into the battery some of the batteries potential chemical energy in the battery is converted and the battery will appear to be fully charged. The charging pulses from our controller (or the spark gap-coil) is closer to the double capacitor circuit than it is to a normal battery charger (DC).

Likewise, the captret is more than likely closer to the double capacitor circuit than it is to a normal battery charger. I hope this is not the case. Lasersaber video clearly shows the capacitor/captret needs to be fed pulses of energy from a battery in order to keep the LED continuously lit. If the captret was producing more out than in, then the capacitor wouldn't need pulses of external energy from a battery and the captret would be self-sufficient. IMO, the captret is not self-sufficient at this stage, thus it's not OU, and any claims of such is misleading.

The captret needs to be researched though. I posted information at overunity.com about negative impedance and it appears to have been ignored, which is of no surprise. It would be interesting to know how the captret would perform with some of the circuits contained in the negative impedance article. The information on negative impedance wasn't to try and explain the effect. The information was posted to improve and take the captret forward and into a new direction in hopes of making it self-sufficient. Let's not limit our thinking to only lighting LED's, but instead try to think much bigger.

Revealing the Mystery of Negative Impedance

Negative impedance converter




GB

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, while expecting a different result".

[Jbignes5]

The proper way to get pulsed energy from this.

16 VDC, 60,000uF electrolytic
9V NiMH Battery
Red clip on DVM Common (black) is "o"

393.5 mV: It's been floating around this number for quite a while.

Perhaps a bunch of these in series can provide enough to charge a cap and flash an LED ... maybe.

I will also run this without the "o" to see if the effect is REALLY just the Cap restoring itself (by whatever mechanism, as they already do without the "o")

http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radiant/big_cap.jpg

Greg

Charge the cap in the captret style. Let it run till the led dims quite a bit. Then take off all the clips and just hook the neg of the led to the case. Then tap each pole of the cap. If we could get a transitor to oscillate between the two poles I bet we could get a lot of pulses out of the captret. That is just from the non powered unit.

We are working on a way to build the captret to a better amplification factor of just the potential of a battery and not it's current. Besides leakage that is. But we are currently using water. I bet this would change a bit if we used oils.. I am thinking the voltage leakage problem would be fixed if we used this like an old leyden jar but with the parasitic plate in there to gather the amplification effect. There are a lot of variables to look at in this kind of setup. Like distances of the plates to the parasitic plate and such like thicknesses of the plates and density of materials.