ENLIGHTENED MAGNETISM (The Full Proof of Ken Wheeler's Theories)

[mikrovolt]

I need to make progress in alternative energy!
The passionate expressions made here incline me to believe that
artifacts expressed are novel and cannot produce the kind of real energy needed.
Using Ken wheeler thread to feed his ego.

Selecting only a few quotes out of context and the conversation goes into defense on
trivial non scientific agenda. U FU Politics going nowhere.
Tesla built machines that produced.

The thread is being lead by UFO continues to trip on artifacts and avoids
making position statements regarding vortex and magnetic flux.
He cannot show practical application because he needs
to pick brains and claim credit. Tweaker parasite gene ass stirring
trouble not able to answer the true context in full post.

Taking what is said trying to marginalize polarizing playing a true colors political card.
Bringing up old artifacts (vortex) about closed loop flux paths equating them to open flux paths.
video showing short strands forming tentacles moving around an aetheric geometry.

UFO's reply that's deformity. I reply showing closed loop deformity and he goes ape shirts on
iron poles closed loop. Goes into "UFO multidimentional redirection" Avoids the comment about
lamenated cores, cannot follow ect ect ect

[Ufopolitics]

Iron-Magnet Pole Redirection

Hi Ufo,

So like a mono-pole?

Hi Bistander,

Yes!...exactly like a Monopole...yes, I know that sounds an impossible...a taboo, a heressy...OMG! for the Classic Physiscs...

That piece of soft iron is a permanent magnet inasmuch as it has retentivity and will exhibit residual flux after removed from the external magnetic field. It does have a S and N pole after being influenced by the external field and will retain the S and N poles until demagnetized. The magnetic strength of the piece of iron (or its coercivity) is not as great as a piece of permanent magnet material (magnetically hard material), but is present to the degree that the N and S pole can be identified.

Have YOU (not just searched out there...but You) "identified" the Two Poles in that Iron piece?

Just because... I have done that test, many, many times and with different methods:

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ABOVE:JUST THE CYLINDER MAGNET UNDER VIEW FILM

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ABOVE: IRON CYLINDER (LEFT)<<PLASTIC GAP>> CYLINDER MAGNET(RIGHT) UNDER VIEW FILM

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ABOVE: IRON CYLINDER (LEFT)<<>> CYLINDER MAGNET(RIGHT) UNDER VIEW FILM


CRT METHOD:


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ABOVE:JUST THE CYLINDER MAGNET UNDER COLOR CRT

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ABOVE: IRON CYLINDER (LEFT)<<>> CYLINDER MAGNET(RIGHT) UNDER COLOR CRT

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ABOVE: IRON CYLINDER (LEFT)<<>> CYLINDER MAGNET(CENTER)<<>>IRON CYLINDER (RIGHT) UNDER COLOR CRT

Note the displacement of the Bloch Wall, Dielectric Plane towards iron on both methods

Even with the Iron Particles will show the iron extended poles...same results

And of course...you could also do it with a cheap, small compass...and it will never find that second pole on iron.

I think you refer to the claw type rotor poles on the field of automotive style alternator called the Lundell rotor. Yes, these are steel or iron shaped to extend the magnetic circuit through the field coil (excitation) to the air gap across from the armature.

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If that were true, the iron piece would be repelled by the N pole on the magnet, but it isn't, it is attracted to it because the end of the iron piece closest to the N pole of the magnet becomes a S pole.

Regards,

bi

I can't believe you are writing the above paragraph...I thought you could do better conclusions Bistander!

A Tornado "attracts" a whole House inside its Vortex...then we could say that the suction end of Tornado is North and the House was South?

So, a House that is North would be repulsed and not sucked in?



It will not repel that North on Iron just because it is an EXTENSION from that same pole, like I wrote previously.'

I used the term "extension" so you could understand it better...there are more complex explanations and terms...

That piece of iron is wrapped with the same Spiral/Vortex from that Magnet's North Pole, same rotation sense...no repulsion.

In order to exist a Repulsion, both facing poles must be spinning at OPPOSITE directions.

Remember that Magnetism is just but ONE SPINNING FORCE...Even though you face one pole to a Mirror and one would be CW while the same magnet other side would be CCW.

You face two alike poles (N-S) you will have same spinning = Attraction

You face Two Like Poles (N-N or S-S) and you will have Opposite spinning = Repulsion

A small spinning motor with a colored shaft disc (indicating visually the spin direction) on each side could give you this answer...when you face it against a mirror...one side would be spinning CW...while the other would be CCW, motor has not changed/reversed its spin.

A SPINNING OBJECT OF ANY VARIETY APPEARS TO BE MOVING CLOCKWISE FROM ONE END...AND COUNTERCLOCKWISE FROM THE OTHER, HOWEVER, THE OBJECT IS MOVING IN ONLY ONE DIRECTION, IT HAS NO CONCEPTS OF POLES OR POLARITY.

ONLY THE IGNORANT HUMANS, SCRATCHING THEIR HEADS HAVE THIS PERCEPTUAL DEFECT

KEN WHEELER/UNCOVERING THE MISSING SECRETS OF MAGNETISM.

That is graphically shown in 3D Animated, Color CAD in the beginning of my Video:

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZhETcDHDRY[/VIDEO]

Hope this helps you...However, because of your previous comments, I have noticed...you have not done your "Homework" studies and careful watching of my videos and previous posts...I have posted all of the above there and here.

Now Bistander, And am telling you, seriously, if you do not study and do your homework...chances are you are not going to pass your final exam(s)...therefore, you will not receive your "Graduation Diploma" on Free Energy!!




Cheers


Ufopolitics

[ldrancer]

Idrancer...

I Too!





I just want everything you wish for me, BUT Multiplied!



Ciao Bambino


Ufopolitics

what? you didnt even read what i said. i said to answer discrepencies before bringing up more of them unfounded and known fake stuff. ? ??? i am only asking things. you cant even follow a simple sentence, stop pretending to know stuff.

[Ufopolitics]

entity= what ?

4-d= huh?

vortex? ???

why dont you guys go back to your economy topics it's all fake an you push a censored controlled world. as long as you ( ken wheeler ) keeps getting paid off i mean profit fromit. profit= fiat currency.

nothing im saying is to your guys good. you need to answer the discrepancies in yoru theories before coming up with more unfounded made up bs. if a magnet isnt 3-d then its NOTHING then your guess here is WRONG. there isnt a 4th dimension or anything besides 3 of them.
IF you want to make a comment claiming 4th dimension after MY comment then put down WHAT a 4th dimension is. You're distracting from my reply and not answer the discrepancies in your guys guesses. this is irresponsible, unscientific and you should be banned for disrupting scientifci talk at least im trying to debunk this ****. you just encouraged more ****.

might as well call this forum economy and while you're at it add the rest of the fake science forums to it. this forum is full of fake science ****.

i been listenting to you mfers bs and im not gonna take u mfers ****.

**** you bunch of fake censoring pieces of ****. you godamn dont talk over me thats the same as censorship

Idrancer...

I Too!





I just want everything you wish for me, BUT Multiplied!



Ciao Bambino


Ufopolitics

[ldrancer]

and that guy i mean about the 4th dimension he does have a point, you guys are full of it. it would need an entire another dimension for what you guys say to be even remotely possible, but its all total crap though./
i mean i get it i get it, but u guys answer the discrepencies before continuing with your mouth.

I agree on that with you...Spatially in the Three Dimensions we are all familiar with...

Counterspatially...well too difficult to digest...is another dimension grid...plus add time and we have more than three dimensions

I was basically referring that Magnetic Fields are NOT a Two(2) Dimensional Entity like it has been treated for 200 plus years.

According to this assumption...only Two Planes intervene in EM Induction...The plane of conductors, plus the B-fields also assumed to be aligned in a flat plane dealing with those wires/Coils/Conductor(s) etc,etc

...and this two planes must be perpendicular...

Keep believing this and "the fall" would be much higher and very painful.


Ufopolitics

pull your head out

[Ufopolitics]

Quote.
" A magnetic field is a three dimensional "Entity" Right? "
I would disagree, a magnetic field is at least four dimensional,
if not more.

I agree on that with you...Spatially in the Three Dimensions we are all familiar with...

Counterspatially...well too difficult to digest...is another dimension grid...plus add time and we have more than three dimensions

I was basically referring that Magnetic Fields are NOT a Two(2) Dimensional Entity like it has been treated for 200 plus years.

According to this assumption...only Two Planes intervene in EM Induction...The plane of conductors, plus the B-fields also assumed to be aligned in a flat plane dealing with those wires/Coils/Conductor(s) etc,etc

...and this two planes must be perpendicular...

Keep believing this and "the fall" would be much higher and very painful.


Ufopolitics

[ldrancer]

Quote.
" A magnetic field is a three dimensional "Entity" Right? "
I would disagree, a magnetic field is at least four dimensional,
if not more.

entity= what ?

4-d= huh?

vortex? ???

why dont you guys go back to your economy topics it's all fake an you push a censored controlled world. as long as you ( ken wheeler ) keeps getting paid off i mean profit fromit. profit= fiat currency.

nothing im saying is to your guys good. you need to answer the discrepancies in yoru theories before coming up with more unfounded made up bs. if a magnet isnt 3-d then its NOTHING then your guess here is WRONG. there isnt a 4th dimension or anything besides 3 of them.
IF you want to make a comment claiming 4th dimension after MY comment then put down WHAT a 4th dimension is. You're distracting from my reply and not answer the discrepancies in your guys guesses. this is irresponsible, unscientific and you should be banned for disrupting scientifci talk at least im trying to debunk this ****. you just encouraged more ****.

might as well call this forum economy and while you're at it add the rest of the fake science forums to it. this forum is full of fake science ****.

i been listenting to you mfers bs and im not gonna take u mfers ****.

**** you bunch of fake censoring pieces of ****. you godamn dont talk over me thats the same as censorship

[bistander]

North - South

The piece of iron does not have two north poles...just one white "N"...lol

and it is just being redirected that same N pole on magnet.

The piece of iron is not a permanent magnet, even if it is redirecting any of the magnet poles...if it is cold roll, or any other carbon steel it will demagnetize as soon as is off the area of influence.

The Magnetic Polarity Redirection to Iron...is not something new Bistander...It's been utilized for many many years in many applications...like the Car Alternators Exciter Jaws Rotor...

Hi Ufo,

...just one white "N"...

So like a mono-pole? That piece of soft iron is a permanent magnet inasmuch as it has retentivity and will exhibit residual flux after removed from the external magnetic field. It does have a S and N pole after being influenced by the external field and will retain the S and N poles until demagnetized. The magnetic strength of the piece of iron (or its coercivity) is not as great as a piece of permanent magnet material (magnetically hard material), but is present to the degree that the N and S pole can be identified.

...like the Car Alternators Exciter Jaws Rotor...

I think you refer to the claw type rotor poles on the field of automotive style alternator called the Lundell rotor. Yes, these are steel or iron shaped to extend the magnetic circuit through the field coil (excitation) to the air gap across from the armature.

...just one white "N"...

If that were true, the iron piece would be repelled by the N pole on the magnet, but it isn't, it is attracted to it because the end of the iron piece closest to the N pole of the magnet becomes a S pole.

Regards,

bi

[Iamnuts]

Quote.
" A magnetic field is a three dimensional "Entity" Right? "
I would disagree, a magnetic field is at least four dimensional,
if not more.

[ldrancer]

whats your guys real statement here? are you trying to say that a magnet is, a vortex? or are you trying to prove a vortex? or do you just not use words consistently like, like scientifically so your theory can't be made unfalsifiable.

[Ufopolitics]

Not necessarily. The space between the N and the S pole faces could very well be the air gap of a one piece magnetic circuit (ring of iron).

Thanks Bistander,

Yes, of course it could be also an open ring magnet...but I believe that is kind of an odd case.

That particular example showed or implied a uniform field. The field in an air gap is not necessarily uniform and in most cases in the real world, isn't.

Agree...is never a Uniform, perfect field...it is always full of imperfections even with two identical magnets, same type,strength etc...

Unknown what you mean. I guess I would not consider the magnetic field uniform between 2 like poles. But as far as Lines of force, you show these in this diagram you posted between two North poles.

Ok, that was a piece of iron near a north pole...which means it is not "another" north pole but just an extension of that pole on magnet...therefore they will not repel.

Related to that image (the original), I do not think it is an accurate representation of the field distortion caused by an iron bar placed close to a magnet. The lines do not just exit and enter the bar magnet on the pole faces. They will look similar to this:

Therefore the distorted field with the iron bar placed close to the magnet's North pole will be considerably different than that original diagram.

Agree...it shouldn't look like that at all...(referring to the original image)

And your representation of a piece of iron with 2 North poles and 0 South poles cannot possibly exist. All magnetic poles come in pairs. One North and one South per magnet.

The piece of iron does not have two north poles...just one white "N"...lol

and it is just being redirected that same N pole on magnet.

The piece of iron is not a permanent magnet, even if it is redirecting any of the magnet poles...if it is cold roll, or any other carbon steel it will demagnetize as soon as is off the area of influence.

The Magnetic Polarity Redirection to Iron...is not something new Bistander...It's been utilized for many many years in many applications...like the Car Alternators Exciter Jaws Rotor...Also in any Speaker Ring Magnet...it has a heavy "solid hat" piece of iron which attach to back pole...bringing pole to center front of ring.

Check it yourself...any piece of iron you contact to a pole from any magnet...it will not have but only that pole where it is attached to...no matter N or S.

No need to get into it deeper here, but I want to mention again, that green line through the middle of the magnet is only in your imagination. There is no physical demarcation there, in my opinion.

I believe you are starting to look again at that green line there...maybe you end up liking it...

These are just examples where the author has kept the diagrams simple to illustrate his point(s).

Ok...

By particle do you mean charge? Could it be there are no Centripetal field Forces versus the Centrifugal Forces ejecting particle (charges) away from field? Why do you think the charges' trajectories will not continue and they will exit the field as they entered it except on the altered heading (direction)?

That's the way you look at it but not the way I see it.

Regards,

bi

[bistander]

Responses

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When I wrote "Independent Poles" I meant that each belongs to a separate magnet...in other words we are facing Two Magnets where one has a North facing the other magnet South Pole.

Not necessarily. The space between the N and the S pole faces could very well be the air gap of a one piece magnetic circuit (ring of iron).

So, that is called a Uniform Field...right?

That particular example showed or implied a uniform field. The field in an air gap is not necessarily uniform and in most cases in the real world, isn't.

A "Uniform Field" is not considered to face either a S>S or a N>N...since we will not have the darn "Lines of Force"...

Unknown what you mean. I guess I would not consider the magnetic field uniform between 2 like poles. But as far as Lines of force, you show these in this diagram you posted between two North poles.



Related to that image (the original), I do not think it is an accurate representation of the field distortion caused by an iron bar placed close to a magnet. The lines do not just exit and enter the bar magnet on the pole faces. They will look similar to this:

Therefore the distorted field with the iron bar placed close to the magnet's North pole will be considerably different than that original diagram.

And your representation of a piece of iron with 2 North poles and 0 South poles cannot possibly exist. All magnetic poles come in pairs. One North and one South per magnet.

No need to get into it deeper here, but I want to mention again, that green line through the middle of the magnet is only in your imagination. There is no physical demarcation there, in my opinion.

Now, related to the picture I traced all the three different Forces acting on particle q+...

Let's look at that picture above from a different angle:

[IMG]We have as result a Spiral/Vortex.


Agree with me so far?

No.

And do not get me wrong here...I know Lorentz Forces are very real, therefore, I do agree with the angular deflections response from field.

What I do not agree with... is to look at it as One straight singular vector event, whenever we see one of this pictures containing just one particle which only reveals a couple of straight vectors of force PLUS One straight Vector of Trajectories...

These are just examples where the author has kept the diagrams simple to illustrate his point(s).

...one result...that "apparently" do not configure any geometrical shape related to the Centripetal field Forces versus the Centrifugal Forces (end trajectory Arrows) ejecting particle away from field.

By particle do you mean charge? Could it be there are no Centripetal field Forces versus the Centrifugal Forces ejecting particle (charges) away from field? Why do you think the charges' trajectories will not continue and they will exit the field as they entered it except on the altered heading (direction)?

And it is very logical and common sense to see and understand that ANY Magnetic Field is a Three Dimensional Volume

That's the way you look at it but not the way I see it.

Regards,

bi

[Ufopolitics]

Tim from Ferrocell explained to me that what you're seeing
is the particles taking the path of least resistance which is
what happens in nature most of the time.

So, in your belief...do you think that solves the issue this Thread is all about?

What Path?...which Path should we use?

The straight "Lines of Force" Path between a North>>South?

Or is it a Spiral Vortex at different pressures.

Timm Vanderelli from Ferrocell believes Magnet have Vortexes.

1-It is NOT the same to just Dump iron particles randomly and loose... right on top of a piece of paper over a magnet.

2-Rather than having particles suspended in a colloidal/viscous/liquid substance...enclosed in an optical device/material which you could "Focus" the Field as adjust zooming distance, In other words have Optics Control...aided by polarized or normal lighting. Therefore, not having a direct and stronger magnetic influence that could distort image.


Which Method do you believe could render more accurate results?


Cheers



Ufopolitics

[Iamnuts]

Tim from Ferrocell explained to me that what you're seeing
is the particles taking the path of least resistance which is
what happens in nature most of the time.

[Ufopolitics]

Your &quot;True Colors&quot; are coming out...

Magnetic flux take the path of least resistance N to S. Tiny even micro specs of iron do not overpower a strong magnets field
to any appreciable amount and most readers can see your ironic twist alright. Even with photoshoped imagery to paint a deluded importance to
small artifacts. Iron filings are not misconception or a major contributor to suppression.

That is your opinion, it does not necessarily need to be "the one and only", nor others way of thinking.
Of course "tiny particles" does not overpower a strong magnet's field, I never wrote such thing...but they do freeze it, Thousands of particles do become "tiny magnets" that automatically align with the "strong" magnet's outer high pressure field, forming chains and giving the WRONG ILLUSION of a RIGID MODEL and just the outer shell.

Then "A Rigid Model" could be dealt with Rigid Vectors and Rigid Tensors to calculate its power...wrong, it does not give us the full dynamic Vortex operation.

The glass exibits no twist and the flux path has a very low percentage of
deformity in the flux.

Really?...WOW!...What a Discovery!!...Oh My God!!

Small percentages of vortex is all you got or plagerized
the rest is simple fantasy magnifying low torque exaggerated spiral flux field.
A lens of deception. Amplification and overemphasis on artifact, tiny bubbles illustrated as yielding great horse power.
A mad man without common sense.

Concentration of flux lines; that is the distance between flux lines is a common relationship with ferrous materials.
You cannot improve on the lamenated cores that drive the real energy producing machines.

It is obvious that magnetic field strength lessens over distance.
It is not enlightenment that for over 200 years there have been people
playing with magnets tell us something new !

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If You have such opinion about this Thread and about Me...then WTF are U doing writing/posting here?

Just bringing your false images, and completely Off Topic links and Images?

Trying to confuse people?

Finally your True Colors are showing up...that is just great!