ENLIGHTENED MAGNETISM (The Full Proof of Ken Wheeler's Theories)

[Ufopolitics]

Space, Time and Spacetime Book...

Hello to all,

I have almost completed all four posts above about Minkowski...except for some minor details.

I mentioned before about a Book where it is discussed some aspects of Minkowski work...plus some analysis and related experimental tests...

The Book is free to download from below link:

SPACE, TIME AND SPACETIME

There is an interesting Chapter which I mentioned before when Einstein changed his mind and recognized Aether again...called:

Ether, the Theory of Relativity and Quantum Physics
by Eduardo V. Flores

I will quote its Abstract below:

Abstract
In this paper we revisit some of the reasons given by Einstein that resulted in his change of mind about the ether from denying to defending its existence. The ether proposed by Einstein we call Einstein’s new ether. We consider the potential use of Einstein’s new ether in quantum mechanics. The standard model of elementary particles reveals the existence of at least one component of Einstein’s new ether.
In this work we explore additional properties of Einstein’s new ether. In particular, we consider a recent experiment known as the Afshar experiment due to its implications for the wave particle duality paradox. The Afshar experiment is perhaps the first experiment that provides clear evidence that wave and particle aspects of the photon have some sort of physical reality beyond the limits imposed by complementarity. We propose that the physical reality of the wave aspect of the photon has its origin in Einstein’s new ether. Here, we report on consequences of the Afshar experiment for Einstein’s new ether.

Hope you enjoy it...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[BroMikey]

That was my point. Not thinking out of the box.
Trust me, I am outside of the box! Ill Pm you and show you how far out of the box. Im probably further out of the box than what people think Ufo is. You can draw your own conclusions and do your own experiments If you want. But it takes thinking outside of the box. I wont post it here though. Theres way too much negative rhetoric here.

Thanks. Explain when you have time. I am sure you
are one of the wizkids who type fast and can get your message
across thats what this is all about, sharing what you have
found through experiment, how it relates to another man's
argument. You are outside the box for sure.

plus you can take a punch too.

[BroMikey]

That was my point. Not thinking out of the box.
Trust me, I am outside of the box! Ill Pm you and show you how far out of the box. Im probably further out of the box than what people think Ufo is. You can draw your own conclusions and do your own experiments If you want. But it takes thinking outside of the box. I wont post it here though. Theres way too much negative rhetoric here.

That's okay go ahead and explain yourself, the aimless attack
drones do. Sorry, I will not lump you in with the drones anymore.
Thanks for the Private post. You really should show that viewpoint
and if for some reason the drones attack, now that I see you
are for real, well "they'll get handled.

Thanks for the informative behind the scenes exposure. I like
your stuff so that is why this thread exists.

[Iotayodi]

Good grammar but makes you look bad when it comes to
thinking outside the box, really bad.

That was my point. Not thinking out of the box.
Trust me, I am outside of the box! Ill Pm you and show you how far out of the box. Im probably further out of the box than what people think Ufo is. You can draw your own conclusions and do your own experiments If you want. But it takes thinking outside of the box. I wont post it here though. Theres way too much negative rhetoric here.

[BroMikey]

We're at page 20 now without anything that can even remotely be thought of as proof.
But this thread certainly keeps its entertaining value!

Ernst.

..

I will begin by contorting my opponent's proposal,

defaming my opponent's character

First I will convey wrong ideas

I will reformulate my opponent's proposal

toward a charismatic personage such as myself.

.........make hilarious jabs at my sad opponent.

Good grammar but makes you look bad when it comes to
thinking outside the box, really bad.

To be an opponent you have to have a case. You must make
a case, you must put energy into explaining your position
which clearly the record shows for years now that neither
of you are able.

No one here has said anything outside of the box of conventional
rhetoric besides a few who hardly ever post with the exception
of UFO.

Unless you can come up with more than a few words that are
repeated over and over and or post a picture to clarify statements
you all sound like children arguing in the street about who makes
the right chalk pattern in hopscotch.

I see UFO pour his heart out with very concise thought complete
with diagrams and extended long play expressions of his favorite
notions that thrill all who are willing to travel outside conventional
ideology. I get his teachings.

As a person who feels like i have come in late for class just looking
on to each answer or idea, I will say no one here has made any
sense in their view, largely because no one seems able.

When people are unable to teach their particular views it is generally
because they don't have a complete picture in their own minds yet.

So my suggestion is that people coming to a thread for years and
disagree with it should make another thread similar to the one they
think is stupid as has been stated, to set the record straight.

No one has made a duplicate thread after years of hurling insults
so the conclusion is that the intent of the argumentative behavior
is rooted in bitterness as well as a thirst to be revered as the ultimate
brainiac on your part, none of which are the character flaws of my
main man UFO.

Run on UFO, your stuff is real. Thanks for taking the time to
dynamite the rhino's fraudulent system of smoke and mirrors
cult of personality look at big me encampment.

The rest are all just linguine. Get a life hopeless.

All these screen names that sound just alike makes a person
wonder, doesn't it? All these one liners.

Kind-a-pee's you guys off that UFO is way past your pathetic
nursery rhyme doctrine, who would-a-thought?

:

[Ufopolitics]

We're at page 20 now without anything that can even remotely be thought of as proof.
But this thread certainly keeps its entertaining value!

Ernst.

BRAVO!!...

OMG, You are SO smart Ernst!...so clever!...and so "analytic"!...that can not even realize that :

In order to Fully Prove a Theory beyond a mere Book, I must go into a series of Graphic-Visual Experimentation and Developments in order to arrive at the Final Stage (the Physical Built Machines Proof)...which is the end, finito...then, this Thread would be closed.

Anyways, I really could not care less about your insignificant opinion than this short and final response deserves...but taking the time to execute it...

[Ernst]

..

This evening, I would like to have your attention.
My celebrated opponent has proposed The rope theory which I dispute. I will briefly feign affection and respect for him. By taking a position opposing such a luminary, I will appear to elevate my inferior status nearer to his.
I will begin by contorting my opponent's proposal, creating a straw-man argument, easy to destroy but not so flimsy that decimating it will lack challenge or entertainment value.
I will follow by defaming my opponent's character thereby implying that his arguments, regardless of their content, do not hold.
Finally I will present my own position, in three parts:
First I will convey wrong ideas that will nevertheless appeal to persons with below-median intelligence. This aims to secure the favor of half the audience.
Second, I will reformulate my opponent's proposal in terms favorable to myself, using his very proposal, distinguished only by inflections and tone of voice. I will pepper this paraphrasing with polysyllabic and obscure diction, employing supercilious terminology and playful ironic bourgeois malapropisms to ensnare pseudo-intellectuals who otherwise hold a cynical position toward a charismatic personage such as myself.
Third, I will reinforce the claim that these ideas are superior to my opponent's, simply by repeating that claim several times.
I will conclude by taking questions and using each one to congratulate myself for my success and, if the occasion permits, to make hilarious jabs at my sad opponent.
I look forward to your attention..

We're at page 20 now without anything that can even remotely be thought of as proof.
But this thread certainly keeps its entertaining value!

Ernst.

[Ufopolitics]

SPACE AND TIME

A Lecture delivered before the Naturforscher Versammlung (Congress of Natural Philosophers) at Cologne — (21st September, 1908).

Gentlemen,

The conceptions about time and space, which I hope to develop before you to-day, has grown on experimental physical grounds. Herein lies its strength. The tendency is radical. Henceforth, the old conception of space for itself, and time for itself shall reduce to a mere shadow, and some sort of union of the two will be found consistent with facts.


Now I want to show you how we can arrive at the changed concepts about time and space from mechanics, as accepted now-a-days, from purely mathematical considerations. The equations of Newtonian mechanics show a twofold invariance, (i) their form remains unaltered when we subject the fundamental space-coordinate system to any possible change of position, (ii) when we change the system in its nature of motion, i. e., when we impress upon it any uniform motion of translation, the null-point of time plays no part. We are accustomed to look upon the axioms of geometry as settled once for all, while we seldom have the same amount of conviction regarding the axioms of mechanics, and therefore the two invariants are seldom mentioned in the same breath. Each one of these denotes a certain group of transformations for the differential equations of mechanics. We look upon the existence of the first group as a fundamental characteristics of space. We always prefer to leave off the second group to itself, and with a light heart conclude that we can never decide from physical considerations whether the space, which is supposed to be at rest, may not finally be in uniform motion. So these two groups lead quite separate existences besides each other. Their totally heterogeneous character may scare us away from the attempt to compound them. Yet it is the whole compounded group which as a whole gives us occasion for thought.

In above paragraph, Minkowski demonstrates a simple fact derived from Mechanics typical procedures...which keeps Geometrical Axioms bound together with the the Axioms of Mechanical Equations...

It is very obvious that Lorentz Transformations do not offer a full Geometry of Magnetic Fields, since it uses linear, flat and single equations dedicated to fulfill the trajectory of a single "particle" into a very complex and uniform magnetic field.

There are more Lorentz Transformations disadvantages mentioned by Minkowski, however, He recognizes the great advantages as simplicity of its whole equations...

1-There are some problems if we add accelerations to the electron particle, since it is conceived/supposed to travel at a uniform speed.

2-There are some restrictions when it comes to simultaneous events, since it does not have Minkowski flexibility of "Proper Time".

3-The Lorentz Electron "reduction of Mass" as it travels at v=c contradicts the Newtonian Postulate of "Conservation of Mass, which goes hand by hand with the Conservation of Energy Postulate.

Minkowski Equations became the ones adopted by Einstein in the later years after his sudden death (1909), about a year after He wrote Spacetime Book and Conferences (1907-1908)...

4-Lorentz "disregarded the Aether completely" from all his Transformations...

Minkowski brought the Aether back

Sur la dynamique de l'electron, published in 1906 (but received by Rendiconti del Circolo matematico Rendiconti del Circolo di Palermo on July 23, 1905) since he quoted it in his previous lectures given in November and December 1907. Lorentz transformations had a geometric interpretation as rotations in what he seemed to have regarded as an abstract four-dimensional space with time as the fourth dimension.

From Spacetime by V. Petkov

[QUOTE]

In 1946 in his Autobiography* Einstein summarized Minkowski's main contribution:

Minkowski's important contribution to the theory lies in the following: Before Minkowski's investigation it was necessary to
carry out a Lorentz-transformation on a law in order to test its invariance under such transformations; he, on the other hand,
succeeded in introducing a formalism such that the mathematical form of the law itself guarantees its invariance under Lorentz-transformations. By creating a four-dimensional tensor-calculus he achieved the same thing for the four-dimensional space which the ordinary vector-calculus achieves for the three spatial dimensions. He also showed that the Lorentz-transformation (apart from a
different algebraic sign due to the special character of time) is nothing but a rotation of the coordinate system in the four-dimensional space.

*A. Einstein, \Autobiographical notes." In: Albert Einstein: Philosopher-Scientist Paul A. Schilpp, ed., 3rd ed. (Open Court, Illinois 1969) pp. 1-94, p. 59.

I will repeat above bold statement:

He also showed that the Lorentz-transformation (apart from a different algebraic sign due to the special character of time) is nothing but a rotation of the coordinate system in the four-dimensional space.


FINAL CONCLUSION from all of this Posts above.

It is that simple now Lady's & Gentlemen...Lorentz "Transformations" Reduced, Compacted, short cut so much the whole original Electron/Magnetic Field Interaction Equations, which derived into the way we all look at Electrodynamics, Electromagnetism, Magnetic Fields (of moving ,rest bodies, etc,etc) Hence EM Induction, Generators and then more and more..to the point that we all, no longer notice, realize, see, observe, then never accept, understand... that a Magnetic Field is nothing more than a simple and plain Vortex/Spiral of Forces acting upon any charged particle, traveling at any speed (V) and following any linear or curve path(s), etc, etc and etc...

Minkowski recognition is huge towards Einstein's SR, and that is where he gets most of credits...he, simply went "back to Maxwell" Equations (before Lorentz transform them), which originally contained the Spatial Vectors of the II Kind..,Curl, High Level Algebras, Differential Operators...plus all other disregarded by Lorentz Non-Linear Formulas...and "Re-Expanded" them all beautifully...except that now through a more complex, wider Grid...A World Grid of Four Dimensions instead of just Three.

However...be honest here now...how many of you knew about Minkowski's existence??

It's name definitively not mentioned in any "Official Classic Electromagnetism Text Book" learned in EE or Physics school...coincidentally...something very similar to the Nikola Tesla case.


Regards



Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

The Fundamental Equations for Electromagnetic Processes in Moving Bodies/Part 3

The Fundamental Equations for Electromagnetic Processes in Moving Bodies

If the field caused by the electron be described in the above-mentioned way, then it will appear that the division of the field into electric and magnetic forces is a relative one, and depends upon the time-axis assumed; the two forces considered together bears some analogy to the force-screw in mechanics; the analogy is, however, imperfect.

H. Minkowski (SpaceTime-Saha)

A brief account and conclusion for this Chapter after I have reviewed extensively (You could do it yourselves here, which is also linked as #2 in Part 1 post)

However, I will try to save you some time...in this Analysis.

Minkowski uses all the same exact formulations from Lorentz, which are all written in "Linear Fashion" (Linear Algebra, Singular Vectors of the First Kind) and single particles for one single time, then Minkowski transcend them all, into Complex Vectors of the Second Kind within a 4D World.

Minkowsky incorporates Classical Mechanics methods to obtain a Geometrical View of Lorentz Transformations. In order to achieve Geometries he went back to Maxwell Formulations which includes Curl Vectors of the Second Kind, plus all the related Differential Operators (Lor, Del, etc)

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With Curl Vectors of the II Kind he incorporates rotations from different points (variable turning axis) from different forces acting within its respective "proper timeCurl Vector Geometries (here, of course in 3D Only, not in Minkowsky 4D World Coordinates)

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If we take the principal result of the Lorentz transformation together with the fact that the system (A) as well as the system (B) is covariant with respect to a rotation of the coordinate-system round the null point, we obtain the general relativity theorem. In order to make the facts easily comprehensible, it may be more convenient to define a series of expressions, for the purpose of expressing the ideas in a concise form, while on the other hand I shall adhere to the practice of using complex magnitudes, in order to render certain symmetries quite evident.

H. Minkowski (Saha)

By the Lorentz transformation, we are allowed to effect certain changes of the time parameter. In consequence of this fact, it is no longer permissible to speak of the absolute simultaneity of two events. The ordinary idea of simultaneity rather presupposes that six independent parameters, which are evidently required for defining a system of space and time axes, are somehow reduced to three. Since we are accustomed to consider that these limitations represent in a unique way the actual facts very approximately, we maintain that the simultaneity of two events exists of themselves. In fact, the following considerations will prove conclusive...

H. Minkowski (Saha)

APPENDIX. Mechanics and the Relativity-Postulate.

It would be very unsatisfactory if the new way of looking at the time-concept, which permits a Lorentz transformation, were to be confined to a single part of Physics.

Now many authors say that classical mechanics stand in opposition to the relativity postulate, which is taken to be the basic of the new Electro-dynamics.

H. Minkowski (Saha)

[Ufopolitics]

Minkowski Spacetime...Part 2

MINKOWSKI'S SPACETIME...

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I think the proper understanding of Minkowski's spacetime physics (which requires more effort than learning its four-dimensional formalism) is crucial not only for deep understanding of modern physics, but more importantly such understanding is a necessary condition for making discoveries in the twenty first century physics.

V. Petkov (Spacetime)

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The best proof that the experimental evidence against the existence of absolute motion (reflected in the relativity postulate) implies that the Universe is an absolute four-dimensional world is contained in Minkowski's paper itself. As discussed in Section 2 Minkowski first realized the important hidden message in the experimental fact that physical phenomena are the same in all inertial reference frames (which Einstein merely stated in the relativity postulate without explaining it) -physical phenomena are the same in all inertial reference frames because every inertial observer has his own space and time and therefore describes the phenomena in his reference frame (i.e. in his own space and time) in which he is at rest. For example, the Earth is at rest with respect to its space and therefore all experiments confirm this state of rest. Due to his excellent geometrical imagination Minkowski appears to have immediately realized that many spaces are possible in a four-dimensional world. In this way he managed to decode the physical meaning of the experimental fact that absolute motion cannot be discovered

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"the Earth is at rest with respect to its space

The covariance of these fundamental equations, when subjected to the Lorentz-transformation, is a purely mathematical fact; I will call this the Theorem of Relativity; this theorem rests essentially on the form of the differential equations for the propagation of waves with the velocity of light.by saying this, we do not indeed express an opinion, but rather a convictionThe position of affairs here is almost the same as when the Principle of Conservation of Energy was postulated in cases, where the corresponding forms of energy were unknown.

H. Minkowsky (The Fundamental Equations for Electromagnetic Processes in Moving Bodies (1908) Saha 1920)

Now if hereafter, we succeed in maintaining this covariance as a definite connection between pure and simple observable phenomena in moving bodies, the definite connection may be styled the Principle of Relativity.

These differentiations seem to me to be useful for enabling us to characterise the present day position of the electro-dynamics for moving bodies.

H. A. Lorentz has found out the Relativity theorem and has created the Relativity postulate as a hypothesis that electrons and matter suffer contractions in consequence of their motion according to a certain law.

A. Einstein[5] has brought out the point very clearly, that this postulate is not an artificial hypothesis but is rather a new way of comprehending the time-concept which is forced upon us by observation of natural phenomena.

The Principle of Relativity has not yet been formulated for electro-dynamics of moving bodies in the sense characterized by me. In the present essay, while formulating this principle, I shall obtain the fundamental equations for moving bodies in a sense which is uniquely determined by this principle. But it will be shown that none of the forms hitherto assumed for these equations can exactly fit in with this principle.

We would at first expect that the fundamental equations which are assumed by Lorentz for moving bodies would correspond to the Relativity Principle. But it will be shown that this is not the case for the general equations which Lorentz has for any possible, and also for magnetic bodies; but this is approximately the case (if we neglect the square of the velocity of matter in comparison to the velocity of light) for those equations which Lorentz hereafter infers for non-magnetic bodies. But this latter accordance with the relativity principle is due to the fact that the condition of non-magnetisation has been formulated in a way not corresponding to the relativity principle; therefore the accordance is due to the fortuitous compensation of two contradictions to the relativity postulate. But meanwhile enunciation of the Principle in a rigid manner does not signify any contradiction to the hypotheses of Lorentz's molecular theory, but it shall become clear that the assumption of the contraction of the electron in Lorentz's theory must be introduced at an earlier stage than Lorentz has actually done.

In an appendix, I have gone into discussion of the position of Classical Mechanics with respect to the relativity postulate. Any easily perceivable modification of mechanics for satisfying the requirements of the Relativity theory would hardly afford any noticeable difference in observable processes; but would lead to very surprising consequences. By laying down the relativity postulate from the outset, sufficient means have been created for deducing henceforth the complete series of Laws of Mechanics from the principle of conservation of energy (and statements concerning the form of the energy) alone.

[Ufopolitics]

Hermann Minkowski....Part 1

Hello to All,

Please, allow me to introduce on the next series of Posts the works from Hermann Minkowski (1864-1909), (A. Einstein Mathematics Professor) resumed in a full text book called Space and Time

According to my research, the best translation from the German language of the Two Main Chapters (to be discussed next) was done by Meghnad Saha in 1920. And is free to download at:

1-Space and Time (1908, translated in 1920 by Meghnad Saha) Only Pages 77-88 but enough to analyze them here.

2-The Fundamental Equations for Electromagnetic Processes in Moving Bodies (1907, translated in 1920 by Meghnad Saha)

You can also find a more recent book translated by Fritz Lewerto and Vesselin Petkov from the Minkowski Institute at Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

However, I have found -some how- different interpretations from the original statements by Minkowski, done by Petkov versus Saha translations, which I consider essential for a clear understanding of the complex formulations, basically in the Second Volume (Equations for Electromagnetic Processes in moving bodies) on the High Level Algebra and Integers based on Vectors of the II Kind.

At the same token, I found many excellent statements on the above work by Lewerto and Petkov (basically the later one, also the editor, Vesselin Petkov)...I will quote some below:

Not only the general public, but even students of physics appear to believe that the physics concept of spacetime was introduced by Einstein. This is both unfortunate and unfair.

It was Hermann Minkowski (Einstein's mathematics professor) who announced the new four-dimensional (spacetime) view of the world in 1908, which he deduced from experimental physics by decoding the profound message hidden in the failed experiments designed to discover absolute motion. Minkowski realized that the images coming from our senses, which seem to represent an evolving three-dimensional world, are only glimpses of a higher four-dimensional reality that is not divided into past, present, and future since space and all moments of time form an inseparable entity (spacetime).

Einstein's initial reaction to Minkowski's view of spacetime and the associated with it four-dimensional physics (also introduced by Minkowski) was not quite favorable: "Since the mathematicians have invaded the relativity theory, I do not understand it myself any more.“

However, later Einstein adopted not only Minkowski's spacetime physics (which was crucial for Einstein's revolutionary theory of gravity as curvature of spacetime), but also Minkowski's world view as evident from Einstein’s letter of condolences to the widow of his longtime friend Besso:

"Now Besso has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."

Besso left this world on 15 March 1955;
Einstein followed him on 18 April 1955

May the hope be fulfilled, through this dissertation, that a wider circle of people become motivated so that participants,
who immerse themselves in Minkowski's ideas and the theory of relativity, may each and all contribute their part to promote and spread this theory in accordance with Minkowski's bold dream and that, hence, future generations of mankind will be consciously aware that space and time recede completely to become mere shadows and only the space-time-transformation still stays alive.

Aachen, May 1910
Otto Blumenthal;

As we all know, Einstein based his whole Special Relativity Postulate inspired by the works from Hendrick Lorentz about Magnetism.

On a further note (Post) I will show how Minkowski, gathered all the LINEAR TRANSFORMATIONS from Lorentz on Electromagnetism, Electric Fields and EM Induction, etc,etc...and based on a High Level Algebra, Curls Vectors and Lor Operators approach (Calculus III on Spatial Geometries) He was able to demonstrate Graphically and Mathematically that Lorentz Transformations is nothing but a rotation of the coordinate system in the four-dimensional space, also confirmed by Einstein himself below:

In 1946 in his Autobiography* Einstein summarized Minkowski's main contribution:

Minkowski's important contribution to the theory lies in the following: Before Minkowski's investigation it was necessary to
carry out a Lorentz-transformation on a law in order to test its invariance under such transformations; he, on the other hand,
succeeded in introducing a formalism such that the mathematical form of the law itself guarantees its invariance under Lorentz-transformations. By creating a four-dimensional tensor-calculus he achieved the same thing for the four-dimensional space which the ordinary vector-calculus achieves for the three spatial dimensions. He also showed that the Lorentz-transformation (apart from a
different algebraic sign due to the special character of time) is nothing but a rotation of the coordinate system in the four-dimensional space.

*A. Einstein, \Autobiographical notes." In: Albert Einstein: Philosopher-Scientist Paul A. Schilpp, ed., 3rd ed. (Open Court, Illinois 1969) pp. 1-94, p. 59.

Above quoted text was taken from P 26 in the free E-Book Space Time Free Book from Petkov

Note: I will be editing all this posts as I want to keep them all in one Sequence...

THIS IS PART 1

Appreciate your patience...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Iotayodi]

hold one end and someone else hold the other, now spin it. one person looks at it, and sees it spinning cw the other sees it spinning, in the opposite direction. Thats the theory, it is a model. It is a working model. Your asking whats in the middle of a magnet so you can confuse people. just know that it works. who cares its there, a magnet does what a magnet does. dont worry about, it

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This evening, I would like to have your attention.
My celebrated opponent has proposed The rope theory which I dispute. I will briefly feign affection and respect for him. By taking a position opposing such a luminary, I will appear to elevate my inferior status nearer to his.
I will begin by contorting my opponent's proposal, creating a straw-man argument, easy to destroy but not so flimsy that decimating it will lack challenge or entertainment value.
I will follow by defaming my opponent's character thereby implying that his arguments, regardless of their content, do not hold.
Finally I will present my own position, in three parts:
First I will convey wrong ideas that will nevertheless appeal to persons with below-median intelligence. This aims to secure the favor of half the audience.
Second, I will reformulate my opponent's proposal in terms favorable to myself, using his very proposal, distinguished only by inflections and tone of voice. I will pepper this paraphrasing with polysyllabic and obscure diction, employing supercilious terminology and playful ironic bourgeois malapropisms to ensnare pseudo-intellectuals who otherwise hold a cynical position toward a charismatic personage such as myself.
Third, I will reinforce the claim that these ideas are superior to my opponent's, simply by repeating that claim several times.
I will conclude by taking questions and using each one to congratulate myself for my success and, if the occasion permits, to make hilarious jabs at my sad opponent.
I look forward to your attention..

[BroMikey]

Remember

I got a reply for this. I was referring to the diagram the other guy showed, it looks like a rope. It probably is functioning as long as you arent expecting the ridiculous out of it. conratulations.

Heres my response to the picture. Heres a picture.

Please refrain from posting in Ken's thread anymore. You're very antagonistic towards his views in his own discussion so if you disagree this much, post elsewhere. You're welcome to start your own thread and discuss your own viewpoints, but plenty of members are interested in the conversation here with the exception of your repetitive disagreements.

...................... Same Ole.............

[ldrancer]

No "kament"


Al

so you guys, write wrong and I get insulted when i asked you what ou meant? and bromikey can spam his picutres and oh yea thats OK but when i put a picture i get chewed out.

ok. back to the religion thread which i can call out since you claim frreedom of religion and i claim speech. you can have your religion but i can speak all i want.

And once again you free at any time to state what the topic is besides the many things i have said and quoted you on saying it is. because you refuse to answer any discrepancies your supposed to debate me on your standing but you just call me an agitator or whatever the rest of it.

you dont want to debate cause its religion becuase you cant keep your definitions consistent.

[BroMikey]

............. a religious thread



posted by ufopolitics................

Its religion and i have the right ........... I have the hell yea.

It's ramblings ........ theyre based off of concepts.

go back bromikeys trying to, jump on an invisible bandwagon,

..................................and you have made it insanely

appear for him now.

This is crazy.

......trying to end all thought. ............ how much just garbage

Now this hater has cooled off a little so he can dig in and disrupt
at the next interval. As can be seen above just ripping and tearing
like a killer dog does.

It is almost as if he is being paid to break the continuity of thought
in this very complex and highly intellectual endeavor.

The person is not here with good intentions. The person does
not realize that the rest of us have a unity within our ranks of
discussion that transcends the menial. Is in the dark to the fact
that we all see right through the scam to divide.

Anyone who has displayed this level of divisiveness has disqualified
themselves as a rational free thinker having no place with us big
boys, and this is why you will hear me say that so many times.

No i wasn't just joking around about that. I am completely serious
slash honest without reservation. Adolescent attacks prohibited.

If it sounds like blowing in the wind, so be it.