ENLIGHTENED MAGNETISM (The Full Proof of Ken Wheeler's Theories)

[ldrancer]

they wont asnwer simple questions from me like whats your guys theory? and ignore me and their using ken wheelers fat mouth insults against me to pretend im stupid.

ya know what **** ken. want to seee the 8 msgs to mhim and his only response to me, go to my site. **** his site too. why would I? all i see is him being a fat **** with some money but that dont mean **** that would keep someone in court to keep his continual piece of **** ass attitude he's got, going.

thats the only thing continual here.

****ing hell with it. and besides all that you wont answer my simple questions in this topic becuase everything you claim is been debunked and your on some crack smoking agenda everythign you say right now is total ****. there are a thousand ways to debunk this time old bull****.

I only got interest and was watching for a bit, i never said nothing until he claimed he knew HOW magnets work. hahaa, and if YOU did, you wouldnt need, 0 zero time to answer the question of what does it do that makes it work. or..

I take it simple if i dont understand i relate it to what i do and not carry on, or worry about it. Its a rope, right? if you look at it one way, it goes one way, and the other way it goes, the other way. go look at a rope for yourself. look down it in the way dollard talks about, that energy he says everyone forgets about, ? forgetting what term is, line is what im thinking he uses a guess what rope to explain it. liek if you hold a rope and someone else does and you pull it, instant, 100% energy transfer. everything else is something else.

this bull**** you guys cry on about is a false flag, uh iron filings. yea so what, use what is real, and shutup. your not adding or saying anything. doing anything. this topic sucks.

the only thing i can see that explains kens stupid behaviour is he's been, "handled". either he intentionally ****ing does this or he's dumb as ****. tatooing your whole body up based on a model of A ****ING VORTEX. dirtying it.

haha. so what if you dont know what happens from the north or south pole. you cant see it, so nevermind it. iron filings have nothing to do with this? iron filings, whatever it shows, you can see.

objects are what science deals with, and everything, in a dictionary, is either one of 2 things. an object or a concept. so everything is included in this you cant bail out on some answer.

i dont know **** this topic until you answer any discrepencies. **** answer of wait, no **** you.

you havent got any answers. heres another thing. a figure 8 will end up crashing in the middle sometime.

first off, the infinity symbol, isnt any ****, its a figure 8 track. thats it. and it crashes in the middle. a vortex which was the basis of the concept of the infinity concept, stupid asses, is a 2d model, the vortex is a 3d model of an infinity sign, but you kow anyway they thought of all these things THOUGH at teh same time. i guess vortex was ****ted out first since the magnet was the concept they where going off of.

i dont think magnets have north or souths.

people cannot see depth. or the z axis is what im thinking. in a 3d world, we cannot tell the Z. you move yoru head, tilt it up, or down to see up and down. you look and turn left or right, you look and move forward or backward, up and down you see the up and down.
theres this thing called gravity, which ****s yoru stupid hteory up too, we have to deal with. and it does matter in space as well.
the point is is that we cannot tell up and down since we only tilt our heads. we dont konw what it is. gravity is running on this too. you havent got one ****ing clue what the hell a magnet is doing so shutup. kens.. just ignorant

[Ufopolitics]

That's not right. The pieces of the magnet will be attracted to each other N to S and S to N in a manner completely consistent with conventional theory, ie. force(s) such as to minimize reluctance in the closed flux path(s). Nothing surprising with that behavior.



What? The magnetic field is not an arrow. The arrow is simply a graphical representation (in 2d, like on a piece of paper) of a quantity existing in 3d, real space with width (x), height (y) and depth (z). The length of that arrow represents the magnitude of the vector quantity and the direction of the line of the arrow represents the direction of the vector quantity in 3d like defined by 2 points in 3d space, (x1,y1,z1) and (x2,y2,z2), with the arrow head assigning a polarity (+ or -) to the vector quantity. This quote from the graphic in your post indicates they are talking about 3d and time varying quantities.





No, I don't understand. First you say conventional theory is stupid because it only applies to 2d. And now you say "...and of course that would take place in 3 Dimensions."

I know it is difficult to relate 3d information on 2d media like paper or a computer screen. But that is what we have to communicate until we start using holograms or sending solid models or real objects.

bi

Bistander,

It is obvious We both have different views about this scenarios...it is obvious You are not gonna give up, and neither would I...so, I find it non sense to keep going over the same thing here.

I have tons of work to do...as I imagine you also have.

So, I would only mention here some facts about our History on Magnetism and the way we have been analyzing this scenarios.

Lorentz was not the one who discover that a charged particle would "bend" over a Magnetic Field Influence...It was James C Maxwell who did, and later on JJ Thomson did the work with CRT based on Maxwell discovery.

All Lorentz did was to "re-arrange" Magnetism mathematically by using rigid Vectors and Tensors to Calculate magnetic Fields Forces and Influences over the charged particles. Sponsored by G.E (J.P. Morgan and T.A. Edison) Read Tom Bearden research on this subject if you need more specific's.

Lorentz disregarded the Aether.

Lorentz disregarded the Giant Magnetic Curl Calculation from Oliver Heaviside.

Lorentz Force and basic work served Einstein to produce the non proven Relativity Theory.

The Iron Filings Model somehow rendered those Lines of Force in some kind of a "straight fashion" which served as a "proof" to base those Straight Vector's Theories on.

That was it, regardless of a 2D or 3D Field...or Interactions to obtain an EM Induction.

This facts serve me as the basic fundamental errors made in History related to Magnetism Studies, that derives and limit Us all to only one EM Induction Pattern/Matrix.


I would like to leave it here (for now*)... if you please.

*We will, for sure, retake this subject further on.


Thanks much.


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

There is neither a South nor a North Pole as regards a magnet.
A magnet is only ‘polarized’ in the true sense that its expulsion from
the magneto-diaelectric sphere necessitates the creation of a circumferentially compressed sphere which is a dumbbell shaped
hourglass of macromagnetic preponderance which turns CCW on the one end ‘south’ and CW on the other end ‘north’.



Al

[aljhoa]

I take it simple if i dont understand i relate it to what i do and not carry on, or worry about it. Its a rope, right? if you look at it one way, it goes one way, and the other way it goes, the other way. go look at a rope for yourself.

a vortex which was the basis of the concept of the infinity concept, stupid asses, is a 2d model, the vortex is a 3d model of an infinity sign, but you kow anyway they thought of all these things THOUGH at teh same time. i guess vortex was ****ted out first since the magnet was the concept they where going off of.

i dont think magnets have north or souths.

you havent got one ****ing clue what the hell a magnet is doing so shutup.

Al

[bistander]

Vectors

Bistander


The fact of breaking a Magnet and becoming multiple small magnets have nothing to do with the Unidirectional Magnetic Flow established by conventional magnetism.

The Theory on discussion here (Ken Wheeler's), which is Bi Directional between two opposite Poles...will also "fit" this phenomena of shattering into multiple magnets, and it is even more logical since there are Two Forces instead of One Unidirectional acting upon magnets.

What Conventional Theory can not ...absolutely NOT explain...is why does all this shattered small magnets will always try to "Self Fold" Inwards to a minimal reduced space?

That's not right. The pieces of the magnet will be attracted to each other N to S and S to N in a manner completely consistent with conventional theory, ie. force(s) such as to minimize reluctance in the closed flux path(s). Nothing surprising with that behavior.

On the "Contradiction" that according to you I have...related to Two and Three Dimensions...is simple , and maybe you did not understand what I meant.

I said that Magnetic Fields has been treated/calculated by Vectors which propagates in two dimensions...it has absolutely nothing to do with the Plane where Conductors are located.

What? The magnetic field is not an arrow. The arrow is simply a graphical representation (in 2d, like on a piece of paper) of a quantity existing in 3d, real space with width (x), height (y) and depth (z). The length of that arrow represents the magnitude of the vector quantity and the direction of the line of the arrow represents the direction of the vector quantity in 3d like defined by 2 points in 3d space, (x1,y1,z1) and (x2,y2,z2), with the arrow head assigning a polarity (+ or -) to the vector quantity. This quote from the graphic in your post indicates they are talking about 3d and time varying quantities.

Lorentz force F on a charged particle (of charge q) in motion (instantaneous velocity v). The E field and B field vary in space and time.

In Conventional Theory, the Main method to analyze magnetic field is with the B Field Vector.

You could use a million vectors each calculated separately and have a million planes of two dimensions for each vector...still, we are dealing with One Plane.

Lorentz calculates Magnetism by fragmenting what is naturally One Magnetic Natural Force into several vectors that interact with particle(s) or surfaces points, same thing.

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A Vector -that I know off- is always represented as a straight line...and a straight line exist in only two dimensions, one plane.

Two Vectors, coming out from the same, common point in space could only be drawn in one plane.

You could use several vectors to calculate a particle trajectory, however, each vector would act upon particle as it travels through space with as many different sequential vectors...all vectors drawn on its own two dimensional plane.

When Lorentz Force applies to Magnetic Surfaces we must fragment it in many vectors traveling (very straight) from different points on surface, then add them up.

A Spatial Curve (example: a Vortex, a Spiral), Not used by Lorentz to Calculate Magnetism, could exist in all three dimensions.

Resuming you are judging my "contradiction" by mixing both... the Plane of Conductors plus the B Field Vectors on the Magnetic Field.

So, the only contradiction here is by you mixing both planes.

According to Faraday and the Classic Theory, EM Induction takes place by Intersecting Perpendicularly (and here is understood angle does not need to be an exact 90) Two Planes

1- The B Field Magnetic Plane

2- The Induced (Coils) Plane

...and of course that would take place in 3 Dimensions.

Understand me now?

No, I don't understand. First you say conventional theory is stupid because it only applies to 2d. And now you say "...and of course that would take place in 3 Dimensions."

I know it is difficult to relate 3d information on 2d media like paper or a computer screen. But that is what we have to communicate until we start using holograms or sending solid models or real objects.

bi

[ldrancer]

and you also claim you can see 3d too. your jsut stupid as crap.
only by HANDILNG things can you tell if there a real object. tell me why you look at a drawing and know whats behind and whats in front?

gonna add. there a tons of optical illusions. so how do you know? you dont, unless you handle the object, you will never really know, if michael jackson was ever real or either care, until you met him. not saying that i did or whatever. either way you have to actually handle something or BE ABLE to for it to count as an object and even start to be, in science

if you guys are going to have a wheeler ass-kissing thread, expect me after the stuff he talked about me to come in and tear you guys up everytime

[ldrancer]

they wont asnwer simple questions from me like whats your guys theory? and ignore me and their using ken wheelers fat mouth insults against me to pretend im stupid.

ya know what **** ken. want to seee the 8 msgs to mhim and his only response to me, go to my site. **** his site too. why would I? all i see is him being a fat **** with some money but that dont mean **** that would keep someone in court to keep his continual piece of **** ass attitude he's got, going.

thats the only thing continual here.

****ing hell with it. and besides all that you wont answer my simple questions in this topic becuase everything you claim is been debunked and your on some crack smoking agenda everythign you say right now is total ****. there are a thousand ways to debunk this time old bull****.

I only got interest and was watching for a bit, i never said nothing until he claimed he knew HOW magnets work. hahaa, and if YOU did, you wouldnt need, 0 zero time to answer the question of what does it do that makes it work. or..

I take it simple if i dont understand i relate it to what i do and not carry on, or worry about it. Its a rope, right? if you look at it one way, it goes one way, and the other way it goes, the other way. go look at a rope for yourself. look down it in the way dollard talks about, that energy he says everyone forgets about, ? forgetting what term is, line is what im thinking he uses a guess what rope to explain it. liek if you hold a rope and someone else does and you pull it, instant, 100% energy transfer. everything else is something else.

this bull**** you guys cry on about is a false flag, uh iron filings. yea so what, use what is real, and shutup. your not adding or saying anything. doing anything. this topic sucks.

the only thing i can see that explains kens stupid behaviour is he's been, "handled". either he intentionally ****ing does this or he's dumb as ****. tatooing your whole body up based on a model of A ****ING VORTEX. dirtying it.

haha. so what if you dont know what happens from the north or south pole. you cant see it, so nevermind it. iron filings have nothing to do with this? iron filings, whatever it shows, you can see.

objects are what science deals with, and everything, in a dictionary, is either one of 2 things. an object or a concept. so everything is included in this you cant bail out on some answer.

i dont know **** this topic until you answer any discrepencies. **** answer of wait, no **** you.

you havent got any answers. heres another thing. a figure 8 will end up crashing in the middle sometime.

first off, the infinity symbol, isnt any ****, its a figure 8 track. thats it. and it crashes in the middle. a vortex which was the basis of the concept of the infinity concept, stupid asses, is a 2d model, the vortex is a 3d model of an infinity sign, but you kow anyway they thought of all these things THOUGH at teh same time. i guess vortex was ****ted out first since the magnet was the concept they where going off of.

i dont think magnets have north or souths.

people cannot see depth. or the z axis is what im thinking. in a 3d world, we cannot tell the Z. you move yoru head, tilt it up, or down to see up and down. you look and turn left or right, you look and move forward or backward, up and down you see the up and down.
theres this thing called gravity, which ****s yoru stupid hteory up too, we have to deal with. and it does matter in space as well.
the point is is that we cannot tell up and down since we only tilt our heads. we dont konw what it is. gravity is running on this too. you havent got one ****ing clue what the hell a magnet is doing so shutup. kens.. just ignorant

[BroMikey]

Thanks BroMikey, for illustrating Idrancer about a vortex...

No problem man, you earned my support. I need to keep
you doing the focus on the great job you are doing with
our much needed overhaul in the scientific dept.

Nothing like a cool swirly for our friend to bring him up
to speed. Hard measures for a hard head.

I got it, no problem.

But when you think about the vortex in a stool being
right before your very eyes with every flush, makes me
wonder what people like this have for brains.

You don't get closer to nature than this.

[Ufopolitics]

If you must learn, this is a vortex.

Thanks BroMikey, for illustrating Idrancer about a vortex...



I can hear the cat saying:

That is a Vortex...That is a Vortex...

That is a Vortex...

[BroMikey]

whats your guys real statement here? are you trying to say that a magnet is, a vortex? or are you trying to prove a vortex? or do you just not use words consistently like, like scientifically so your theory can't be made unfalsifiable.

If you must learn, this is a vortex.

[Ufopolitics]

No Contradiction at all...

Hi Ufo,

I am going by theory and experience. I see the tests you run with viewing film and CRTs, but those do not really identify magnetic poles. Take a look at the original image.



The soft iron bar will have the magnetic field from the permanent magnet go through it, perhaps not exactly as shown, but the lines of that field will enter the iron piece at one end and exit the iron at its other end. Therefore, by definition, those ends of the iron piece are poles. The end where the lines exit the bar is the North pole and the end where the lines enter the bar is its South pole.



Image copied from: Non destructive-testing-202

This is much the same as when you break a bar magnet in two parts. Each part will have its own pair of poles, a N and S on each piece. In fact, see the image in the reference above showing the steel bar with a crack. The surfaces at the crack are identified as N and S because flux exits and enters those surfaces.

Next subject:



Nowhere that I know in present theory, physics or science states that magnetic fields are two dimensional. I don't know where you get that idea. Concerning induction, as in Faraday's work, "the magnetic flux through the wire loop is proportional to the number of magnetic flux lines that pass through the loop." How could that occur in 2 dimensions? Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farada...w_of_induction

Bistander


The fact of breaking a Magnet and becoming multiple small magnets have nothing to do with the Unidirectional Magnetic Flow established by conventional magnetism.

The Theory on discussion here (Ken Wheeler's), which is Bi Directional between two opposite Poles...will also "fit" this phenomena of shattering into multiple magnets, and it is even more logical since there are Two Forces instead of One Unidirectional acting upon magnets.

What Conventional Theory can not ...absolutely NOT explain...is why does all this shattered small magnets will always try to "Self Fold" Inwards to a minimal reduced space?

On the "Contradiction" that according to you I have...related to Two and Three Dimensions...is simple , and maybe you did not understand what I meant.

I said that Magnetic Fields has been treated/calculated by Vectors which propagates in two dimensions...it has absolutely nothing to do with the Plane where Conductors are located.

In Conventional Theory, the Main method to analyze magnetic field is with the B Field Vector.

You could use a million vectors each calculated separately and have a million planes of two dimensions for each vector...still, we are dealing with One Plane.

Lorentz calculates Magnetism by fragmenting what is naturally One Magnetic Natural Force into several vectors that interact with particle(s) or surfaces points, same thing.

[IMG][/IMG]

A Vector -that I know off- is always represented as a straight line...and a straight line exist in only two dimensions, one plane.

Two Vectors, coming out from the same, common point in space could only be drawn in one plane.

You could use several vectors to calculate a particle trajectory, however, each vector would act upon particle as it travels through space with as many different sequential vectors...all vectors drawn on its own two dimensional plane.

When Lorentz Force applies to Magnetic Surfaces we must fragment it in many vectors traveling (very straight) from different points on surface, then add them up.

A Spatial Curve (example: a Vortex, a Spiral), Not used by Lorentz to Calculate Magnetism, could exist in all three dimensions.

Resuming you are judging my "contradiction" by mixing both... the Plane of Conductors plus the B Field Vectors on the Magnetic Field.

So, the only contradiction here is by you mixing both planes.

According to Faraday and the Classic Theory, EM Induction takes place by Intersecting Perpendicularly (and here is understood angle does not need to be an exact 90) Two Planes

1- The B Field Magnetic Plane

2- The Induced (Coils) Plane

...and of course that would take place in 3 Dimensions.


Understand me now?


Cheers


Ufopolitics

[bistander]

N - s

Have YOU (not just searched out there...but You) "identified" the Two Poles in that Iron piece?

Just because... I have done that test, many, many times and with different methods:

Hi Ufo,

I am going by theory and experience. I see the tests you run with viewing film and CRTs, but those do not really identify magnetic poles. Take a look at the original image.



The soft iron bar will have the magnetic field from the permanent magnet go through it, perhaps not exactly as shown, but the lines of that field will enter the iron piece at one end and exit the iron at its other end. Therefore, by definition, those ends of the iron piece are poles. The end where the lines exit the bar is the North pole and the end where the lines enter the bar is its South pole.



Image copied from: Non destructive-testing-202

This is much the same as when you break a bar magnet in two parts. Each part will have its own pair of poles, a N and S on each piece. In fact, see the image in the reference above showing the steel bar with a crack. The surfaces at the crack are identified as N and S because flux exits and enters those surfaces.

Next subject:

I was basically referring that Magnetic Fields are NOT a Two(2) Dimensional Entity like it has been treated for 200 plus years.

According to this assumption...only Two Planes intervene in EM Induction...The plane of conductors, plus the B-fields also assumed to be aligned in a flat plane dealing with those wires/Coils/Conductor(s) etc,etc

...and this two planes must be perpendicular...

Nowhere that I know in present theory, physics or science states that magnetic fields are two dimensional. I don't know where you get that idea. Concerning induction, as in Faraday's work, "the magnetic flux through the wire loop is proportional to the number of magnetic flux lines that pass through the loop." How could that occur in 2 dimensions? Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farada...w_of_induction

All the vector algebra associated with magnetic fields is in 3 dimensions and time dependent to boot.

...and this two planes must be perpendicular...

[Ufopolitics]

Geometry...

Hi,
Prove me wrong. But that piece of soft iron is an extension if it is static only.
If you rotate it a few times around its axis, it will become an ordinary SN magnet.

Hello Padova,

The fact that you spin Iron Cylinder related to its axis...in the same position as I have shown in all pictures above...would do absolutely NO difference. The same applies for spinning the magnet...or both

It is all related to where that iron cylinder is located... related to the magnet's poles positioning.

You must realize that spinning the cylinder magnet embodiment along its axis will not affect its magnetic field because it is Magnetized Symmetrically along its axis.

Here comes the N Machine from Bruce De Palma as an example.

You spin the Magnet Embodiment, in the same direction that whole Field is turning ...you get very, very low output.

You spin Magnet embodiment opposite to Field direction you get higher output.

To remind that You are collecting from either one of the N-S Poles and your neutral point would be the equator.

Magnetic Field Spinning Direction is always ONE.

If You are facing South against a Mirror it will spin CW

If You are facing North against a Mirror it will be spinning CCW.

This is a Universal/Natural Magnetism Law, it has always existed, and is always the same and always would be consistently true.

On my next video I will show this spinning direction not against a Mirror...but facing a B&W CRT Radial Rastering Line.

It will be very clear.

The N Machine phenomena is just due to the "Cork Screw" Type of EM Induction...very low Voltage though because there is no Time/Space advance between Field and Core/Coils.

As a second Example:

When you get a cylinder magnet, magnetized along its axis and insert it in a hollow coil...this example is all over the net...it was one of the first tests that Faraday did back in 1831.

It was thought that the "Imaginary" field lines of Force will "cut" each coil turn (ring) as it went in, B Field Perpendicular to the Conducting Rings Plane...bla,,bla and bla......right?

Wrong!.

When the cylinder magnet is inserted in the coil its magnetic field will transfer its spin into each coil copper ring gradually as it goes in, since coil is based on sequential rings connected in series...then the EM spin wave (Differential Gradient) would be transferred all the way to the last ring which will contain the sum from all previous turns....then go out to our meter...or galvanometer in those times.

Also an example Cork Screw Induction, except there is a Time/Space variation.

When You pull magnet out of coil it would do the reverse operation...we get a negative output than when going inwards.

Imagine a loosely spinning Wine Cork Screw related to the "T" Handle (it would never pull cork out of bottle though... )...Then try it on a cork...by pushing it against cork it will screw in...and when pulling it out... it will "unscrew" by reversing its spin.

The same exact operation occurs in the Magnet-Field-Coil relation from above example.

Lenz Law is nothing more than Unscrewing Magnetic Field from the Induced Coil.

Otherwise, we would see a free energy devices all around.

regards

We have been using the "Cork Screw" type of EM Induction so far...for over 200 years plus...it works but by screwing in you must screw out...then we get "Lenz Law"...at the same magnitude we are "pushing" Positive Induction...However, there are many, many more ways to Induce an EMF in our Induced Coils...

We will soon...it is just a matter of understanding this basic principles correctly and apply them to work properly.

Completely different of what has being done so far.


Cheers


Ufopolitics

[padova]

Hi,
Prove me wrong. But that piece of soft iron is an extension if it is static only.
If you rotate it a few times around its axis, it will become an ordinary SN magnet.

Otherwise, we would see a free energy devices all around.

regards

[Ufopolitics]

I need to make progress in alternative energy!
The passionate expressions made here incline me to believe that
artifacts expressed are novel and cannot produce the kind of real energy needed.

Selective phrases are quoted and the conversation goes into defense on
trivial non scientific agenda. Politics going nowhere.
Tesla built machines that produced. My first DOE contract for alternative energy in 1975.

The thread is being lead by UFO continues to trip on artifacts and avoids
making position statements regarding vortex and magnetic flux.
Wheres the beef ? He cannot show practical application because he wants
to pick brains and claim credit. Tweaker parasite psuedo gene ass stirring
trouble not able to answer the true context in full post.

This is MY THREAD

I will Do what I have to DO whenever I consider it appropriated.

And YES, it is my own POLITICS...that is why it is my last name..

If I wanted credit, I would not be wasting my time here but on the USPTO Office, with my real name on it, making sure no Troll would be doing it.

What You want the beef?

Right now?

Really?

Sorry, but can't do...so you will have to relax and wait.

Please consider your insults for somewhere else. I have not insulted you!

If You like it...then stand by and shut up.

If You do NOT like it, then just vanish into Counterspace...

It is up to you



Ufopolitics