Ionization & Water Fuel

[Aaron]

molecule or atom?

Originally Posted by rosco1
What Tutanka is trying to say is, the H1 molecule is too small, and for want of a better word, too viscous, to be utilised adequately.

It easily slips past the rings and valves, as quick as a flash, and proves quite difficult to compress/pressurise, as per the normal expectations we are accustomed to within a combustion chamber environment.

Yes.. as been written isn't gas creation the way.. because in fact ins't an true combustible and the molecular state is not good for an endothermic engine.

Wait, there is confusion here. Rosco, H1 isn't a molecule, it is monoatomic
hydrogen. It isn't a molecule unless there is H2.

Tutanka, you then say molecular state is not good for endothermic
reaction. But seem to agree that H1 isn't the way and that you also
consider H1 "molecular state"?

[Aaron]

nitrogen

Tutanka,

You said the gas processor does not create n2o (nitrous oxide).

But it can be created in the combustion chamber. Based on what you
said, I think...

Positive charged ambient air + Heat + Pressure + Plasma = N2O

You mention: "For create new combustible we have ONLY air (nitrogen/oxygen)"

But N2O or anything created from only N and O is not combustible but is
an aid to combustion. Anyway, it would be a "new molecule" that is quite
big.

1NRG - you mention the expansion of the size of nitrogen from liquid to
gas but the same concept could be applied to N2O. In compressed form,
N2O is liquid and when exposed to heat rapidly expands. That would be
a "thermal explosion" by expansion I suppose.

Tutanka, you have also repeatedly said H1 is necessary for:
Thermal Explosive Energy. I'm trying to see how this fits in since
H1 is necessary, yet, it can't be contained in the compression since
it slips past the rings. ?

Aaron: "If air processor creates no or n2o (nitrous), normally in gas engines it
drops the temperature of the mixture so that it becomes more dense
so more volume of air/fuel can be crammed into the combustion chamber.
Also, it simply acts as a carrier for more oxygen for more thorough burning."

Tutanka: Time ago I suppose that MEYER used N2O created inside Gas Processor for obtain thermal explosive energy. Gas Processor do not create N2O.

"The key is that you must create an new molecular mixture fuel more bigger of water gas that you can use in all gasoline engines but at the same time must contain enough energy inside for run these. Nitrogen is bigger part of ambient air, for obtain N2O you need some heat .. of course plasma, in particular conditions, can be create N2O from ambient air.. . For create new combustible we have ONLY air (nitrogen/oxygen), polar water and no more battery energy."

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The only other molecule I can think of is not from N & O but N & H = ammonia but ammonia isn't very flammable unless there is enough flame
to burn it.

Haber process - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Professor Ph. M. Kanarev, Krasnodar
COLD FUSION BY PLASMA ELECTROLYSIS OF WATER

This paper states "It is known that from one litre of water it is possible to produce 1220 litres of hydrogen and 622 litres of oxygen."

"In any of these cases, the atoms and the molecules of hydrogen are formed. The part of its are burned and the other go out with the steam. We have already shown that the processes of fusion of the atoms and the molecules of hydrogen and its isotopes result in occurrence of additional thermal energy [6]. Numerous experiments show that up to 50% of additional thermal energy are generated during the plasma electrolysis of water,"

"As hydrogen plasma is generated during the plasma electrolytic process of water electrolysis, there exists a tendency of the capture of the free electrons by them."

Anyway, there is a lot of details in his pages but back to Nitrogen for
now.

[tutanka]

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Amine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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More complicated.. Think simple.. you have a lot of nitrogen as inert gas.. first .. but after passing trought gas processor? You need to study how work an ionizer and how produce if you add an EEC similarry to Meyer. My suggestion is .. deleted from your mind all info reading meyer gas processor and start your theory/work using true elementary studies.

[tutanka]

What Tutanka is trying to say is, the H1 molecule is too small, and for want of a better word, too viscous, to be utilised adequately.

It easily slips past the rings and valves, as quick as a flash, and proves quite difficult to compress/pressurise, as per the normal expectations we are accustomed to within a combustion chamber environment.

Yes.. as been written isn't gas creation the way.. because in fact ins't an true combustible and the molecular state is not good for an endothermic engine.

[rosco1]

Magneto

Hi tutanka,

only if it makes NO difference in input power, then it was preferable to use a distinct (special) electrode material (in this case lead amalgam cathode) for getting H1 instead of H2, I thought.

But dont care on my thinking!!

What Tutanka is trying to say is, the H1 molecule is too small, and for want of a better word, too viscous, to be utilised adequately.

It easily slips past the rings and valves, as quick as a flash, and proves quite difficult to compress/pressurise, as per the normal expectations we are accustomed to within a combustion chamber environment.

[magnetO]

HI,
And what is the sense to produce H1? H1 is extremely little molecule and more volatile..Lyne start from H2 in a closed circuit instead you start reaction from water using a engine and as you know you don't obtain H2/O2 separately from water.. Used water directly isn't good for an standard metallic engine and some problems are generated inside.

Hi tutanka,

only if it makes NO difference in input power, then it was preferable to use a distinct (special) electrode material (in this case lead amalgam cathode) for getting H1 instead of H2, I thought.

But dont care on my thinking!!

[magnetO]

Aaron,
You think more complicated as peoples.. my suggestion is .. think simple.. why nitrogen help a lot into reaction?? I have been write these info but I see that you have forgotten to them ..

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Amine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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[1NRG24Seven]

Aaron,
You think more complicated as peoples.. my suggestion is .. think simple.. why nitrogen help a lot into reaction?? I have been write these info but I see that you have forgotten to them ..

I agree, we all need to think more like a child...SIMPLE!!!

[tutanka]

1NRG,

I agree on the plasma. It was evident to me 5 or 6 years ago or something
when an experimenter Tero??? was running a lawnmower on 100% HHO +
ambient air. Filled up a balloon with HHO and it ran but he couldn't make
enough to keep the engine running. He was doing some kind of interesting
spark mechanism like a CDI or something and I was convinced a plasma
ignition was needed to help release the energy. But at that time, I only
saw overly complicated circuits that gave really just glorified CDI sparks.

When I first saw Luc's diode effect, I instantly saw the HV and LV combo
as an analogy to the Gray circuit. Anyway, that one single diode just opened a can of worms.

From early on, my feeling was HHO + atomized water + the plasma in a
Bourke engine because of its high efficiency and high compression could
completely run. But I saw it as simply having the plasma "explode water"
as we have seen in the water sparkplug experiments and igniting the
HHO at the same time. I really didn't FOCUS on the monoatomic hydrogen
part. I just was focused on the common explosion of those two that will
inevitably make water as a byproduct.

Anyway, a Bourke engine wasn't going to happen anytime around then.
So someone gave me a lawnmower and Peter and I started to incorporate
hot steam injection from an ultrasonic humidifier and plasma. We had to
run it on gas but were able to get FULL POWER with only the idle jet open.
Anyway, I ripped the rip cord mechanism straight off the thing so had to
stop that experiment. lol

If nothing else is disclosed about Tutanka's project, I think it is still very
valuable. For one, it got me to focus on the nitrogen again because I
never looked at the significance of it as anything other than "non-
combustible gas" as Meyer's explained it. But seeing it as a medium to
assist or prevent a reaction - I think that really needs to be looked at.
I can't dismiss 75% of the content of our air as being insignificant.

It's a refreshing way to look at this I think.

He said there is no nitrous (n2o), but there is nitrogen dioxide ONO
and nitric oxide NO, the vasodilator.

There's O2 in the air as well. O2 is paramagnetic and becomes a magnet
when exposed to a magnetic field. Tutanka showed an air processor with
a magnet on top by the lights.

If we strip electrons with his air processor with the copper grounded
grids and hv + in the middle and put the air through several stages,
there would be highly positively charged oxygen. When it hits HHO,
it seems it might pull an electron separating H from HO.

Anyway, whatever the exact mixture is, it gets compressed, heated
more, plasma hits and ionizes the whole mixture.

I think it must be
ionization by collision so that when an electron is yanked from HHO,
it makes a lot of H1 maybe. And that electron causes a cascade effect
that synergizes with the positively charged oxygen to instantly create
on demand abundant H1 that has the oxygen to full combust.

There would be a whole swarm of flying electrons knocking other electrons
out from HHO freeing up the hydrogen. Those two things working together,
cascade effect and positive oxygen may be the most efficient way to
instantly have enough H1 to run an engine from low volume HHO and
positive charged air.

Aaron,
You think more complicated as peoples.. my suggestion is .. think simple.. why nitrogen help a lot into reaction?? I have been write these info but I see that you have forgotten to them ..

[Aaron]

nitrogen

Aaron,
The key is that you must create an new molecular mixture fuel more bigger of water gas that you can use in all gasoline engines but at the same time must contain enough energy inside for run these. Nitrogen is bigger part of ambient air, for obtain N2O you need some heat .. of course plasma, in particular conditions, can be create N2O from ambient air.. . For create new combustible we have ONLY air (nitrogen/oxygen), polar water and no more battery energy. Is similar mathematics task.

Ok, but I asked about nitrous oxide NNO (n2o) and you said that wasn't
part of it. You said there was NO and NO2, which is ONO (nitrogen dioxide).

[tutanka]

the 75% Nitrogen in air is really not condusive to burning. But if you heat air by compression then remove the heat and compress it again and remove heat eventually you get liquid air. If you released this air across a nozzle it would freeze your finger like liquid Nitrogen. Now what happens if this highly condenced liquid is placed in droplet form in the presence of a hot cylander. It would expand very rapidly and become its original volume of air, pushing the piston down like compressed air onto a piston. This is what I believe is also contributing to the expansion as HHO instantly turns anything it comes in contact with or rather heats it to almost its melting temperature making the Nitrogen which is the biggest part of air now seem like its explosive...when in reality its just expanding it after its been condenced.

Nitrogen is every inert gas.. and air contain 78% of nitrogen, 21% oxygen and rare gas.. you need oxygen into combustion and "normally" nitrogen cut energy from combustion because absorbe heat produced .. but in our case a lot amount of nitrogen help a lot into complete reaction..

[Aaron]

ionization by collision?

1NRG,

I agree on the plasma. It was evident to me 5 or 6 years ago or something
when an experimenter Tero??? was running a lawnmower on 100% HHO +
ambient air. Filled up a balloon with HHO and it ran but he couldn't make
enough to keep the engine running. He was doing some kind of interesting
spark mechanism like a CDI or something and I was convinced a plasma
ignition was needed to help release the energy. But at that time, I only
saw overly complicated circuits that gave really just glorified CDI sparks.

When I first saw Luc's diode effect, I instantly saw the HV and LV combo
as an analogy to the Gray circuit. Anyway, that one single diode just opened a can of worms.

From early on, my feeling was HHO + atomized water + the plasma in a
Bourke engine because of its high efficiency and high compression could
completely run. But I saw it as simply having the plasma "explode water"
as we have seen in the water sparkplug experiments and igniting the
HHO at the same time. I really didn't FOCUS on the monoatomic hydrogen
part. I just was focused on the common explosion of those two that will
inevitably make water as a byproduct.

Anyway, a Bourke engine wasn't going to happen anytime around then.
So someone gave me a lawnmower and Peter and I started to incorporate
hot steam injection from an ultrasonic humidifier and plasma. We had to
run it on gas but were able to get FULL POWER with only the idle jet open.
Anyway, I ripped the rip cord mechanism straight off the thing so had to
stop that experiment. lol

If nothing else is disclosed about Tutanka's project, I think it is still very
valuable. For one, it got me to focus on the nitrogen again because I
never looked at the significance of it as anything other than "non-
combustible gas" as Meyer's explained it. But seeing it as a medium to
assist or prevent a reaction - I think that really needs to be looked at.
I can't dismiss 75% of the content of our air as being insignificant.

It's a refreshing way to look at this I think.

He said there is no nitrous (n2o), but there is nitrogen dioxide ONO
and nitric oxide NO, the vasodilator.

There's O2 in the air as well. O2 is paramagnetic and becomes a magnet
when exposed to a magnetic field. Tutanka showed an air processor with
a magnet on top by the lights.

If we strip electrons with his air processor with the copper grounded
grids and hv + in the middle and put the air through several stages,
there would be highly positively charged oxygen. When it hits HHO,
it seems it might pull an electron separating H from HO.

Anyway, whatever the exact mixture is, it gets compressed, heated
more, plasma hits and ionizes the whole mixture.

I think it must be
ionization by collision so that when an electron is yanked from HHO,
it makes a lot of H1 maybe. And that electron causes a cascade effect
that synergizes with the positively charged oxygen to instantly create
on demand abundant H1 that has the oxygen to full combust.

There would be a whole swarm of flying electrons knocking other electrons
out from HHO freeing up the hydrogen. Those two things working together,
cascade effect and positive oxygen may be the most efficient way to
instantly have enough H1 to run an engine from low volume HHO and
positive charged air.

[1NRG24Seven]

the 75% Nitrogen in air is really not condusive to burning. But if you heat air by compression then remove the heat and compress it again and remove heat eventually you get liquid air. If you released this air across a nozzle it would freeze your finger like liquid Nitrogen. Now what happens if this highly condenced liquid is placed in droplet form in the presence of a hot cylander. It would expand very rapidly and become its original volume of air, pushing the piston down like compressed air onto a piston. This is what I believe is also contributing to the expansion as HHO instantly turns anything it comes in contact with or rather heats it to almost its melting temperature making the Nitrogen which is the biggest part of air now seem like its explosive...when in reality its just expanding it after its been condenced.

[tutanka]

Nitrogen could be oxygen carrier simply to deliver more oxygen for
combusting h1.

But during or after combustion, nitrogen could then be available to bond with
oxygen so oxygen doesn't bond with hydrogen to form water.

When plasma ignition starts, it ionizes the mixture of hho and positively
charged air. H is separated from HHO leaving H and HO.

At same time, N and O is separated and O immediately binds to H
so we have a bunch of OH and N. OH combusts.

Then N joins O for NO and H joins with HO for HHO instead of HOH.

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Anyway, is there any particular off the shelf engine that would be
best to start with? 50cc 4 stroke or something?

Aaron,
The key is that you must create an new molecular mixture fuel more bigger of water gas that you can use in all gasoline engines but at the same time must contain enough energy inside for run these. Nitrogen is bigger part of ambient air, for obtain N2O you need some heat .. of course plasma, in particular conditions, can be create N2O from ambient air.. . For create new combustible we have ONLY air (nitrogen/oxygen), polar water and no more battery energy. Is similar mathematics task.

[1NRG24Seven]

1. HHO + ONO + plasma = OH, OH, NO

2. OH & OH combusts releasing thermal energy

3. NO attracts O for ONO and HO attracts H for HHO (exhaust)

Oh no! lol

NO HO'S OH?...