Ionization & Water Fuel

[tutanka]

Then explain the "Hydrogen Gas Gun." It has three stacked resonant cavities, that feed directly into the Gas Processor, and only water is feed into the resonant cavities. No Nitrogen is present in the system and it produces thermo explosive energy.

Read news letter #4: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post81023

Now I am going to enjoy seeing the explanations of this demonstration device. This news letter shows the "Hydrogen Gas Gun" fully assembled and again there is no Nitrogen gas flowing through the system. This is why I focused on Oxygen for it's in the patent and this device shows that the oxygen and the hydrogen are the only gases flowing through the gas processor being striped of electrons.

Time to put your thinking caps on everyone, what do you see, what do you read? This is important for it shows that thermal explosive energy is being produced with only hydrogen and oxygen gas flowing through the gas processor. Everyone is so quick to jump on the nitrogen band wagon and call Stanley Meyer a lier just because they themselves having little to no chemistry or physics background couldn't get the device working by only focusing on the water fuel capacitor and even building it wrong. A total lack of understanding is all I see here. But please go right on ahead and try to answer the question laid out in front of you, as I am sure inquiring minds want to know .

Here are some unanswered questions for tutanka: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post59634

Answers here: http://www.energeticforum.com/59733-post649.html That way you can cheat and do a copy and past to answer the questions.


h2opower.

Answers here: http://www.energeticforum.com/59733-post649.html That way you can cheat and do a copy and past to answer the questions.


h2opower.[/QUOTE]

H2OPOWER,
You are oriented to meyer patent, I not.. I have every written that .. AIR contain 78% nitrogen and 21% oxygen, your gas processor use air not only oxygen.. you don't want consider that .. you consider ONLY OXYGEN.. I don't want that you change idea..
However only nitrogen hydroxide don't run completely 100% an engine, australian inventor also mix with gasoline.. Meyer had an best idea mix Nitrogen with Hydrogen created inside the car for reach THERMAL EXPLOSIVE ENERGY.. in fact your gas processor generate NOT OXYGEN DESTABILIZED BUT NITROGEN HYDROXIDE. Meyer in first stage mix with WFC.. in the second stage have created reactor/injector.. an all-in-one system. Think it... N and H will power a rocket to the moon if it has O to oxidise it

[Aaron]

How to Make Nitrogen Hydroxide

Here is a 3 page compilation of this thread. I condensed it into a couple
categories. It is short and sweet. It is INCOMPLETE. There are a few
things that need to be added that may or may not be apparent to get
a full working motor. But it will give the Nitrogen Hydroxide story and more.
How to Make Nitrogen Hydroxide

EDIT: This is version 1.0

[h20power]

Yes, I see importance of nitrogen now.

I think Meyers intentionally misled people through all of his documents
for protection.

Then explain the "Hydrogen Gas Gun." It has three stacked resonant cavities, that feed directly into the Gas Processor, and only water is feed into the resonant cavities. No Nitrogen is present in the system and it produces thermo explosive energy.

Read news letter #4: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post81023

Now I am going to enjoy seeing the explanations of this demonstration device. This news letter shows the "Hydrogen Gas Gun" fully assembled and again there is no Nitrogen gas flowing through the system. This is why I focused on Oxygen for it's in the patent and this device shows that the oxygen and the hydrogen are the only gases flowing through the gas processor being striped of electrons.

Time to put your thinking caps on everyone, what do you see, what do you read? This is important for it shows that thermal explosive energy is being produced with only hydrogen and oxygen gas flowing through the gas processor. Everyone is so quick to jump on the nitrogen band wagon and call Stanley Meyer a lier just because they themselves having little to no chemistry or physics background couldn't get the device working by only focusing on the water fuel capacitor and even building it wrong. A total lack of understanding is all I see here. But please go right on ahead and try to answer the question laid out in front of you, as I am sure inquiring minds want to know .

Here are some unanswered questions for tutanka: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post59634

Answers here: http://www.energeticforum.com/59733-post649.html That way you can cheat and do a copy and past to answer the questions.


h2opower.

[Aaron]

@Rosco

Rosco,

You guys are brave

It feels like it is about to be the right time for something like this to
happen.

[rosco1]

Marketing.

Aaron,

We do have plans for getting this stuff out to the masses.

The idea at present, is for us to get each individual piece of the puzzle thoroughly sorted out and tested to our own satisfaction, prior to going public.

It's premature for us to be releasing any clear details of our processes at this time.

In the near future, we will be making available a fully informative CD(with personal license), enabling the purchaser to know exactly what is required, and how to go about making it work/happen for him.

We will also be making available each and every part of the system, all sold as separate individual parts.

Edit: We are also not interested in fielding interest from large companies or corporations, rather, we wish to make this technology available to whoever chooses to use it for their own personal use.

[tutanka]

Tutanka,

Ok, you said "must be used". You meant "must not be used."
Got it.

Is single distilled water ok or does it have to be double or triple distilled?

Is there any reason this motor/generator won't work?
- Harbor Freight Tools - Quality Tools at the Lowest Prices

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@All,

Is there anyone here reading this that has an HHO cells already built
that is thinking about or is already trying to apply these concepts?

Aaron,
I have been corrected however you can use all water with just carbon filters associated to an UV field first to send inside the cell for two things .... eliminate bacteries from water and charge water at the same time.. Regards

[Aaron]

@Tutanka

Tutanka,

Ok, you said "must be used". You meant "must not be used."
Got it.

Is single distilled water ok or does it have to be double or triple distilled?

Is there any reason this motor/generator won't work?
- Harbor Freight Tools - Quality Tools at the Lowest Prices

-------------

@All,

Is there anyone here reading this that has an HHO cells already built
that is thinking about or is already trying to apply these concepts?

[tutanka]

Tutanka,

Are you saying do NOT use electrolyte?

NO electrolyte IS USED! This alters the reaction inside the cell, if you add also in little amount potassium or sodium you don't obtain nitrogen hydroxide...Regards

[Aaron]

electrolyte

Tutanka,

Are you saying do NOT use electrolyte?

[tutanka]

The sodium hydroxide or potassium hydroxide stays in the cell and is NOT
part of the nitrogen hydroxide oxide.

Hydroxide is from the water and nitrogen in 78% concentration in the
ambient air is the source of of the nitrogen.

EDIT: Electrolyte isn't needed for this if using other methods for creating
the water fuel, it is just an option for the lower tech methods.

Any electrolyte must be used, if you add that you don't obtain just reaction...

[Aaron]

NOT from electrolytes

The sodium hydroxide or potassium hydroxide stays in the cell and is NOT
part of the nitrogen hydroxide oxide.

Hydroxide is from the water and nitrogen in 78% concentration in the
ambient air is the source of of the nitrogen.

EDIT: Electrolyte isn't needed for this if using other methods for creating
the water fuel, it is just an option for the lower tech methods.

[pengrove]

So nitrogen gas + two moles of hydroxide = N(OH)2 which can generate THERMAL EXPLOSIVE ENERGY?

I thought that Meyers did not use electrolyte? And would this not cause harm to the engine? Or am I totally off base?

[tutanka]

I guess that answer my previous confusion . I guess plasma is a requirement to make this NH3 since it need to be in high temperature. Maybe the preheating do not need to be plasma and can be done with only exhaust gas temperature.

That circuit generate unipolar voltage wave, is dated 1980. I think Meyer use similar of that.. use every an capacitor, in fact Plasma circuit is the next generation and is IMPORTANT part of system because wthout that you CAN'T generate THERMAL EXPLOSIVE ENERGY,in all case you don't need only N2+ + 2OH- = N(OH)2.
Is important understand that point, hydrogen CAN'T mix with air outside from engine as air/gasoline. However now peoples understand that Meyer don't want generate oxygen destabilized with gas processor but other electrochemical mixture

[sucahyo]

Found this quote online:

"Nitrogen is completely non-flammable, that does not prevent it from rapidly bonding with Hydrogen when separated from it's O2 Counterpart. Nitrogen Hydroxide, N(OH)2O, is one of the most volatile incendiary gasses and bonds when hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogen are present as individual molecules."

I guess that answer my previous confusion . I guess plasma is a requirement to make this NH3 since it need to be in high temperature. Maybe the preheating do not need to be plasma and can be done with only exhaust gas temperature.

[tutanka]

Meyer shows in multiple patents the re-ducting of exhaust or cell output back
to be mixed with newly formed hho.

espacenet — Bibliographic data

Abstract of EP 0111574 (A1)
System and apparatus for the controlled intermixing of hydrogen volatile gas with non-combustible gasses in a combustion system. The system utilizes a hydrogen generator (10) for developing a controlled output of hydrogen and oxygen gasses and non-volatile gasses such as nitrogen. The hydrogen gas with the attendant gasses and added gasses are fed via a line (5) (9) to an air intake system (20) in a controlled ratio. The combined gasses after intermixing are fed to a combustion chamber (30) wherein the mixture is ignited. The exhaust gasses of the combustion chamber (30) are returned in a closed loop arrangement to the mixing chamber (40) as non-volatile gasses to control the velocity and temperature of the volatile hydrogen gas.


This link is the pic...

Exaust gas are recycled inside to engine because these react as initially inside the cell forming N(OH)2...