Ionization & Water Fuel

[tutanka]

ahaha good one


If this document howtomakenitrogenhydroxide.pdf information is correct, you are saying that you are not using an electrolyte. But states that the exhaust gases (containing No and No2) should pass thru the water thus it should create nitric acid witch is will behave as electrolyte right? You mean by no electrolyte the non use of koh or nah ... Right?

Sorry .. but you don't work on 10Kw of H2 creation with only 100W?? Now you are interested to my work??

[sebosfato]

ahaha good one


If this document howtomakenitrogenhydroxide.pdf information is correct, you are saying that you are not using an electrolyte. But states that the exhaust gases (containing No and No2) should pass thru the water thus it should create nitric acid witch is will behave as electrolyte right? You mean by no electrolyte the non use of koh or nah ... Right?

[tutanka]

WITH ALL THESE REACTIONS IT IS NECESSARY AN ENGINE 8 STROKES ...

[sebosfato]

[sucahyo]

Hi tutanka wouldn't your process to achieve the thermal energy by combining the h2 02 with n2 or whatever, create also an very big amount of NO's in the exhaust output? And consume more oxygen from atmosphere?

According to Honda exhaust document posted by h2opower a rich mixture will produce more NH3 and less NOx.
Temple of VTEC Rumors and News - Honda Develops Next-Generation Clean Diesel Engine

- During lean burn operation, the NOx adsorbent in the lower layer adsorbs NOx from the exhaust gas.
- As needed, the engine management system adjusts the engine air-fuel ratio to rich-burn, wherein the NOx in the NOx adsorption layer reacts with hydrogen (H2) obtained from the exhaust gas to produce ammonia (NH3).The adsorbent material in the upper layer temporarily adsorbs the NH3.
-When the engine returns to lean-burn operation, NH3 adsorbed in the upper layer reacts with NOx in the exhaust gas and reduces it to harmless nitrogen (N2).

According to Meyer NOx can be reduced if Oxygen to Hydrogen ratio is 2:1. If it still exist, I think tutanka can just use his ionizer to clean up, just like what Meyer do, using his VIC ionizer to exhaust. This should work just like catalytic converter:

[tutanka]

Hi tutanka wouldn't your process to achieve the thermal energy by combining the h2 02 with n2 or whatever, create also an very big amount of NO's in the exhaust output? And consume more oxygen from atmosphere?

I mean this because i was thinking that maybe your thermal energy is coming from the extra reaction of the nitrogen combined (bigger molecule as you state) with still more oxygen from air.

Basically in this case yes you will obtain more thermal explosive energy but would still consume the oxygen from the air and still release a big amount of Nox.

Can you please tell me if i'm wrong?

the nitrogen hydroxide can be used to improve growth of plants a lot did you knew it?

NOx... they are not released as exaust gas.. I can't write complete formula but we are speaking about chemistry (mathematical) not magical system as yours

[dave_cahoon]

NOX are pollution as much or worse than CO2 or C0

You think CO2 is pollution thats part of the problem, Its not pollution.

I cant get into that anymore than that its simple, furans dioxins poisons co2 LOL
I'm very sorry for affending you in anyway whatsoever DAC

Fixed nitrogen maybe bad for the city...

Dave

[sebosfato]

Meyer did say you didnt get all the oxygen back. I've seen the video his lips said that.
Maybe its not destroyed atomically just converted to an oxide that's not as bad.

Maybe he was thinking you don't get all the nitrogen back???

If the exhaust has Fixed Nitrogen in it than were doing nature a favor.

Dave

NOX are pollution as much or worse than CO2 or C0

[dave_cahoon]

The differing larger energy outputs are from Mono-Atomic H1 + H1 = H2 type reactions and then the H2+O2 type reactions that follow.

Nitrogen fixes Hydrogen (ie holds it for us) later it can be sparked when needed.

The differences are known.

Dave

[dave_cahoon]

Meyer did say you didnt get all the oxygen back. I've seen the video his lips said that.
Maybe its not destroyed atomically just converted to an oxide that's not as bad.

Maybe he was thinking you don't get all the nitrogen back???

If the exhaust has Fixed Nitrogen in it than were doing nature a favor.

Dave

[sebosfato]

Hi tutanka wouldn't your process to achieve the thermal energy by combining the h2 02 with n2 or whatever, create also an very big amount of NO's in the exhaust output? And consume more oxygen from atmosphere?

I mean this because i was thinking that maybe your thermal energy is coming from the extra reaction of the nitrogen combined (bigger molecule as you state) with still more oxygen from air.

Basically in this case yes you will obtain more thermal explosive energy but would still consume the oxygen from the air and still release a big amount of Nox.

Can you please tell me if i'm wrong?

the nitrogen hydroxide can be used to improve growth of plants a lot did you knew it?

[Aaron]

High-pressure photodissociation of water as a tool for hydrogen synthesis and fundame

Here is the COMPLETE ENGLISH article for the LENS Experiment:
High-pressure photodissociation of water as a tool for hydrogen synthesis and fundamental chemistry

Here is the complete article in English that I posted on Feb 1.

[Aaron]

Nitrogen Hydroxide

Here is a 3 page compilation of this thread. I condensed it into a couple
categories. It is short and sweet. It is INCOMPLETE. There are a few
things that need to be added that may or may not be apparent to get
a full working motor. But it will give the Nitrogen Hydroxide story and more.
How to Make Nitrogen Hydroxide

EDIT: This is version 1.0

Aaron,
On you pdf you have write:

The abundant positively charged nitrogen acts as a natural EEC (Electron Extraction Circuit) and sucks up electrons, which prevent water from forming by the H2 and O bonding.

The true reason is that the exaust gas are recycled inside to engine because these react as initially inside the cell forming N(OH)2... When you irradiate "conductive" water droplets with (UV) and/or HV release OH radicals and N1, created from combustion inside chambre, acquire these and Hydrogen 2H is released and burned at the same time releasing N(OH)2 still as exaust gas.. this is the TRUE reason because Meyer recycle these inside engine, more RPM more gas needed and casually Meyer use an "EXAUST CONTROL VALVE" for that. Here you can found Italian Lens experiment based on that (N2 or CO) in italian language but you can translate.. L'idrogeno ottenuto dall'acqua - Chimici.info
"In the event specific the hydrogen synthesis has been obtained from water mixed with nitrogen or carbon monoxide. By means of the light of an argon ion laser, and in particular an ultraviolet radiation to 350 nanometers, the water molecules have dissociated in radicals OH and hydrogen atoms. Radical OH reacts with the other present species in the mixture (N ₂ or CO), and the hydrogen atoms are tied for giving H ₂"

This is requested by a few people and here is a correction by Tutanka.
The chemistry sequence in the doc may or may not be right, but the
point is, nitrogen is important.

[sucahyo]

I think tutanka use different method from Meyer, Tutanka mention air relative-ionizing, microwave plasma and plasma plug while this is what Meyer do:

Typically, the WFC Water Fuel Injector performs many sequential functions is an instant of time: liberates the hydrogen/oxygen gases from the injected water droplet; oscillates the free-floating combustible gases under pulsating electrical stress to cause "particle oscillation as an energy generator"; and lastly ionizes the combustible gases by electron ejection prior to the point where the pressurrized gases is expelled from the nozzle port of the WFC Water fule Injector. As the stretched out (elongated) expelling gases return to stable state of equilibrium, the flexing gas atom, releases the trigger energy that starts and propagates the gas ignition process for energy utilization

more at other thread:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5313-my-proposed-theory-how-stanley-meyer-made-use-water-source-fuel-2.html#post84553

The construction of the Meyer plug are water mist meet laser/HV ionized ambient air, then meet exhaust gas. The sequence seems important that it is mentioned few time that water mist must meet ionized ambient air first. Other diagram show water, then ambient then exhaust, other injector show the middle is water then ambient then exhaust at the most outside.

Since it is inside a plug, it obviously very hot thus will also aid ionizing and/or chemical reaction.

The mixed gas then being exposed to increasingly closer pulsed low amp DC 30kv-40kv HV ionizer which do more chemical reaction. Ionizing will prevent reaction stabilizing. When existing nozzle, the molecule will stabilize and explode.

the 2:1 ratio is needed to avoid the build up of NOx. Water mist from resulting process can be reclaimed by exposing it to sunlight and let it condensed and flow to water container. ionized gases from ambient air aid combustion. sunlight exposed somthing sustain the atomic dwell time to allow sufficient spark-ignition of the combustion gases.

I don't think this is the same as what Tutanka use for the process.

[pengrove]

bingo

So Stan was using LED's and lasers to cause an infrared hydrogen bond shift causing it to bond with nitrogen creating a new fuel. And using exhaust gasses insures that you have less oxygen and hydrogen re-bonding, but ambient air could work also as it would just not be optimal.

This is exactly what your tec is doing am I correct tutanka?

THE REACTION OF HYDROGEN ATOMS WITH LIQUID OZONE1 - The Journal of Physical Chemistry (ACS Publications)