Ionization & Water Fuel

[rosco1]

Wow man, the colours!





Another excellent image.

[tutanka]

Tutanka, to clarify, the neutral ions in the air processor you mention is
processing both air and water at same time?

Neutral ions (positive/negative) are only based on ambient air and not water treatment (circuit posted isn't the same used, we use high HV field 30+30Kv for increase ionization treatment)

Otherwise, there is still a method of + ionizing air and - water right or
have I misunderstood something?

As written I don't see the instructions of meyer exaclty, these inputs are referred to Gas Processor and water steam used inside meyer process for increase time of reaction ..

What % of light spectrum in plasma is ionizing UV for these particular
plasma ignition systems?

You can see with your eyes..

[Aaron]

clarification

air processor don't create ionized air but neutral ions and they created an conductive plasma as KOH inside an dry cell. Plasma circuit and plug are fundamentl parts of system, without these reaction don't work, similarry Lyne process you need tungsten electrode. Plasma is more advanced regarding unipolar voltage used from Meyer.. you obtain an great UV/AMP field, all at the same time.

Tutanka, to clarify, the neutral ions in the air processor you mention is
processing both air and water at same time?

Otherwise, there is still a method of + ionizing air and - water right or
have I misunderstood something?

What % of light spectrum in plasma is ionizing UV for these particular
plasma ignition systems?

[Aaron]

Gray Tube | Active Nitrogen?

I just posted a new post in the Gray Tube Replication thread:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3235-gray-tube-replication.html

Thought about it for a while but after reviewing the allotropic nitrogen
process, I think it 'MAY' be part of the Gray Tube. Anyway, anyone interested
in the Gray Tube application with possible active nitrogen in the tube,
please post in that thread linked to above.

[tutanka]

Tutanka,

You keep saying "think simple". Okay. I'm going to take a stab at it. Please forgive me if it sounds stupid.

Are you creating lightning in the combustion chambers by ionizing air and water vapor similar to the way nature does it? The plasma plug is necessary to cause 'arc over' of the ball of ionized air/water in the chamber. When this happens, the chamber is filled with lightning and the resulting heat will run our endothermic engines? This would necessitate an insulating coating in the combustion chamber so that the metal of the chamber doesn't bleed off the charges before ignition can happen.

Is 'lightning in a bottle' what you are replicating?

Hello,
I have been reply to similar questions however no problems.. air processor don't create ionized air but neutral ions and they created an conductive plasma as KOH inside an dry cell. Plasma circuit and plug are fundamentl parts of system, without these reaction don't work, similarry Lyne process you need tungsten electrode. Plasma is more advanced regarding unipolar voltage used from Meyer.. you obtain an great UV/AMP field, all at the same time.

[everwiser]

Here's why I'm thinking this way. Start with this link/page and then the next.

HowStuffWorks "Ionization"

[everwiser]

Tutanka,

You keep saying "think simple". Okay. I'm going to take a stab at it. Please forgive me if it sounds stupid.

Are you creating lightning in the combustion chambers by ionizing air and water vapor similar to the way nature does it? The plasma plug is necessary to cause 'arc over' of the ball of ionized air/water in the chamber. When this happens, the chamber is filled with lightning and the resulting heat will run our endothermic engines? This would necessitate an insulating coating in the combustion chamber so that the metal of the chamber doesn't bleed off the charges before ignition can happen.

Is 'lightning in a bottle' what you are replicating?

[Aaron]

water and air reference

Just for reference:



Nitrogen is a chemical element that has the symbol N, the atomic number of 7 and an atomic mass 14.00674 u. Elemental nitrogen is a colorless, odorless, tasteless and mostly inert diatomic gas at standard conditions, constituting 78% by volume of Earth's atmosphere.

Oxygen , from the Greek roots ὀξύς (oxys) (acid, literally "sharp", from the taste of acids) and -γενής (-genēs) (producer, literally begetter), is the element with atomic number 8 and represented by the symbol O. It is a member of the chalcogen group on the periodic table, and is a highly reactive nonmetallic period 2 element that readily forms compounds (notably oxides) with almost all other elements. At standard temperature and pressure two atoms of the element bind to form dioxygen, a colorless, odorless, tasteless diatomic gas with the formula O2. Oxygen is the third most abundant element in the universe by mass after hydrogen and helium[1] and the most abundant element by mass in the Earth's crust.[2] Diatomic oxygen gas constitutes 20.9% of the volume of air.[3]






Water is a ubiquitous chemical substance that is composed of hydrogen and oxygen and is vital for all known forms of life.[1] In typical usage, water refers only to its liquid form or state, but the substance also has a solid state, ice, and a gaseous state, water vapor or steam. Water covers 71% of the Earth's surface[2]. On Earth, it is found mostly in oceans and other large water bodies, with 1.6% of water below ground in aquifers and 0.001% in the air as vapor, clouds (formed of solid and liquid water particles suspended in air), and precipitation.[3] Oceans hold 97% of surface water, glaciers and polar ice caps 2.4%, and other land surface water such as rivers, lakes and ponds 0.6%. A very small amount of the Earth's water is contained within biological bodies and manufactured products.


Hydrogen is the chemical element with atomic number 1. It is represented by the symbol H

[Murlin]

Haha, great image.

Outstanding!!!

Nice work tutanka.....BTW I love that move, it is one of my favorites


regards,

Murlin

[rosco1]

Haha, great image.

[tutanka]

Now for a moment I am going to try and help with this. In the system that you will be employing you will be using a WFC, right? So for the circuit that was just completed you will need 12 of them to run a similar test as that of Stanley Meyer. The wavelength of light you will need for the Gas Processor that Nitrogen will greatly absorb is 399.5 nm for on the absorbance scale that wave length has an absorbance of 1000. And the wavelength for oxygen is where it has the highest absorbance is 777.19 nm in the infrared region, or 226 nm for the UV range. The gaseous injectors can be purchased from here: Alternative Fuel CNG Engine Conversion LPG Hydrogen Erdgas and that includes all of the circuitry needed to run the injectors, though you will have to adapt them for use with the Meyer type systems or Meyer's to theirs, what ever is easiest.

As you can see the Gas Processor will be different in use with your theory as it will have more wavelengths of light in it for ionization of both oxygen and nitrogen. Now the cost of those LEDs in the UV range is very high, and the IR are also not all that cheap. The wavelengths I am going to use are not the best absorbed by oxygen but the 410 nm LEDs have a 450 absorbance into the oxygen atoms as well as the 635 nm and 560 nm and 465 nm wavelengths are around 200 and above in absorbance into the oxygen atoms. So I'm hoping for a cumulative effect as seen in nature when you get sun burned.

Now with the correct pulsing of the LEDs the BEMF will be taking place at the same time the LEDs are pulsed on. So the electrical energy will be coming down as the light energy is being introduced. This is an overlapping of the two energies as spec'd out by the patent. These two forms of energy are different in that light is a higher form of energy than any other form of energy to be used with this patent so getting it at the right wavelengths to be absorbed by the atoms is a key step.

Now since you are going with the WFC I would suggest that you add on another gas processor to the gas that it produces so just like the gas gun you will have the highest energy content being injected into the cylinders for combustion. You must make sure you make the quenching circuits just right for if you get a back blast with the added gas processor on the gases produce by the WFC that could do some harsh damage to all of your hard work as most of it would be blown up if that occurred. Be safe not sorry.

But note you will need the circuit as we all are going to need that, just throwing high voltage at it is not going to work it all has to be done exactly as Meyer did it for us to get the same results. No part can be taken out until it has been tested or mathematically found not to be needed. I have found out mathematically that some things can and should be changed in how some of his systems work especially with the WFC. The positive should be in direct contact with the water and the negative should be coated and not be allowed to be in direct contact with the water. That may sound like a small change but it is really a big change as to how it all really works treating water as a dielectric liquid fully with no Dr. Faraday type electrolysis being given a chance to take place. And that goes for the water fuel injectors too he negative electrode should be coated with glass and the positive in direct contact with the water mist and resulting gases that are created by the process Therine. Taking things down to formula the way I did shed a lot of light on how things really work in the Meyer patents, and that formula is the self-ionization of water for the most part.

Hope this helps aid you in your efforts,
best of luck in getting around the conservation of mass problems I found,

h2opower.

Hello H2OPOWER,
We are using an own WFC cell including automatic adaptive electronic circuit, this for understand better the process of thermal explosive energy but with an different scenario including new air processor. My concept is similar but not the same of meyer. With my team we have created new plasma circuit an new tungsten plug (created from me, Moose53 and Rosco), I attach here photo with UV filter working with plasma (actually we are writing patent for that) that we have called nascent plug, the design is completely different from the plugs presents on market and builded for use specifically with plasma. Thank you for wavelength suggestion but I don't need at this time, maybe I go to see LPG injectors suggested for the future. I don't need to add excitation to hho gas produced by WFC cell use because I use other method, however many thanks for your suggestion of isolation of electrodes but we have already supplied to this.

[h20power]

HI Murlin,
The emphasized words on that image speak clear. You have 78% of nitrogen and 21% oxygen, oxygen is absorbed from combustion and from nitrogen during combustion but after that you have more of 55% of free nitrogen and this can react, with the same plasma discharge, creating Lord Rayleigh reaction

Now for a moment I am going to try and help with this. In the system that you will be employing you will be using a WFC, right? So for the circuit that was just completed you will need 12 of them to run a similar test as that of Stanley Meyer. The wavelength of light you will need for the Gas Processor that Nitrogen will greatly absorb is 399.5 nm for on the absorbance scale that wave length has an absorbance of 1000. And the wavelength for oxygen is where it has the highest absorbance is 777.19 nm in the infrared region, or 226 nm for the UV range. The gaseous injectors can be purchased from here: Alternative Fuel CNG Engine Conversion LPG Hydrogen Erdgas and that includes all of the circuitry needed to run the injectors, though you will have to adapt them for use with the Meyer type systems or Meyer's to theirs, what ever is easiest.

As you can see the Gas Processor will be different in use with your theory as it will have more wavelengths of light in it for ionization of both oxygen and nitrogen. Now the cost of those LEDs in the UV range is very high, and the IR are also not all that cheap. The wavelengths I am going to use are not the best absorbed by oxygen but the 410 nm LEDs have a 450 absorbance into the oxygen atoms as well as the 635 nm and 560 nm and 465 nm wavelengths are around 200 and above in absorbance into the oxygen atoms. So I'm hoping for a cumulative effect as seen in nature when you get sun burned.

Now with the correct pulsing of the LEDs the BEMF will be taking place at the same time the LEDs are pulsed on. So the electrical energy will be coming down as the light energy is being introduced. This is an overlapping of the two energies as spec'd out by the patent. These two forms of energy are different in that light is a higher form of energy than any other form of energy to be used with this patent so getting it at the right wavelengths to be absorbed by the atoms is a key step.

Now since you are going with the WFC I would suggest that you add on another gas processor to the gas that it produces so just like the gas gun you will have the highest energy content being injected into the cylinders for combustion. You must make sure you make the quenching circuits just right for if you get a back blast with the added gas processor on the gases produce by the WFC that could do some harsh damage to all of your hard work as most of it would be blown up if that occurred. Be safe not sorry.

But note you will need the circuit as we all are going to need that, just throwing high voltage at it is not going to work it all has to be done exactly as Meyer did it for us to get the same results. No part can be taken out until it has been tested or mathematically found not to be needed. I have found out mathematically that some things can and should be changed in how some of his systems work especially with the WFC. The positive should be in direct contact with the water and the negative should be coated and not be allowed to be in direct contact with the water. That may sound like a small change but it is really a big change as to how it all really works treating water as a dielectric liquid fully with no Dr. Faraday type electrolysis being given a chance to take place. And that goes for the water fuel injectors too he negative electrode should be coated with glass and the positive in direct contact with the water mist and resulting gases that are created by the process Therine. Taking things down to formula the way I did shed a lot of light on how things really work in the Meyer patents, and that formula is the self-ionization of water for the most part.

Hope this helps aid you in your efforts,
best of luck in getting around the conservation of mass problems I found,

h2opower.

[tutanka]

I believe this is where the nitrogen hydroxide comes in. It is made under a vacuum inside a magnetic field. I don't know how yet, but my gut instinct tells me this can be done.

In essence, I believe that we are burning air, to burn the water....just have to prep the air first. After all it is 80% Nitrogen...

Then you will just need the fossil fuel to get the ball rolling and do the initial start up on the engine.

regards,

Murlin

HI Murlin,
The emphasized words on that image speak clear. You have 78% of nitrogen and 21% oxygen, oxygen is absorbed from combustion and from nitrogen during combustion but after that you have more of 55% of free nitrogen and this can react, with the same plasma discharge, creating Lord Rayleigh reaction

[Murlin]

HI Aaron,

You wrote:


1. Lord Rayleigh found that active nitrogen could NOT be formed in the
presence of too much oxygen.

2. The small amount of oxygen necessary was LOWER than what is
available in atmospheric levels.

3. I'm still working on the process/reaction in my mind but when
N1 and N1 combine to form N2, a LOT OF HEAT IS GENERATED.


I premise that this is my concept, my vision.

About THERMAL EXPLOSIVE ENERGY.....Aaron I agree with you. The responsible isn't ONLY hydrogen but also [color="red"]Nitrogen have an great part on that but we need to understand how. [/c] All start from Gas Processor or Air Processor, nitrogen molecular N2 is transformed into N1, electrons are extracted and stable ions are produced.
N1 as you know is very reactive gas and, to my warning, is used inside reaction, after plasma discharge, as natural EEC and a the same time it buys back lost electrons; with an activation energy (the same plasma discharge and special plug used for reaction) start Lord Rayleigh effect inside the same chambre of combustion. In fact N1, re-tranformed into N2 after water droplet splitting, is retransformed in N1 and conseguently in N2 from the same plasma discharge releasing a LOT OF HEAT; AS FINAL RESULT WE OBTAIN AN FAST AND CONTROLLED CHAIN REACTION CALLED THERMAL EXPLOSIVE ENERGY.

I believe this is where the nitrogen hydroxide comes in. It is made under a vacuum inside a magnetic field. I don't know how yet, but my gut instinct tells me this can be done.

In essence, I believe that we are burning air, to burn the water....just have to prep the air first. After all it is 80% Nitrogen...

Then you will just need the fossil fuel to get the ball rolling and do the initial start up on the engine.

regards,

Murlin

[tutanka]

HI Aaron,

You wrote:


1. Lord Rayleigh found that active nitrogen could NOT be formed in the
presence of too much oxygen.

2. The small amount of oxygen necessary was LOWER than what is
available in atmospheric levels.

3. I'm still working on the process/reaction in my mind but when
N1 and N1 combine to form N2, a LOT OF HEAT IS GENERATED.


I premise that this is my concept, my vision.

About THERMAL EXPLOSIVE ENERGY.....Aaron I agree with you. The responsible isn't ONLY hydrogen but also Nitrogen have an great part on that but we need to understand how. All start from Gas Processor or Air Processor, nitrogen molecular N2 is transformed into N1, electrons are extracted and stable ions are produced.
N1 as you know is very reactive gas and, to my warning, is used inside reaction, after plasma discharge, as natural EEC and a the same time it buys back lost electrons; with an activation energy (the same plasma discharge and special plug used for reaction) start Lord Rayleigh effect inside the same chambre of combustion. In fact N1, re-tranformed into N2 after water droplet splitting, is retransformed in N1 and conseguently in N2 from the same plasma discharge releasing a LOT OF HEAT; AS FINAL RESULT WE OBTAIN AN FAST AND CONTROLLED CHAIN REACTION CALLED THERMAL EXPLOSIVE ENERGY.