Water Sparkplug

[Xack]

Thanks Xack,

I was planning to buy a very small engine, which I think I may be able to lubricate it by hand at first, and then start it using water, The engine I decided to buy is very small and is priced at about 40$. It is about 5cm in height and about 6cm in length. I didn't think that any sophisticated lubrication may be necessary. My main problem is with the spark-plug itself, I wonder if you guys have been able to fix the intermittent ignition of water problem. I guess the water on the spark plug makes the impedance of the spark gap go higher and make the it more difficult for the plasma effect to happen.

I don't even want to make it run only on water. I am planning to see if:
1- Water can run the machine, even if the input of the electricity exceeds the mechanical output.
2- If so, then see if it can be optimized to make it charge its input as well as running the motor.
3- See if this concept can be utilized in a larger scale.


Elias

Elias,
You certainly can do what you like. those little 2 cycle engines don't have "spark plugs" but are designed on the deisel principal. They have glow plugs in order to heat the fuel for ease of starting. Your also going to have to retrofit an ignition and timing mechanism plus also design a tiny spark plug to host the "plasma". Your tiny spark plug will soon get eat up by the plasma as well. Take it for what it's worth, I belive your best bet would be to get a small 4 stroke weed eater engine. All your ignition components are present plus it's already designed to burn gasoline.

Good luck
Xack

[elias]

Thanks Xack,

I was planning to buy a very small engine, which I think I may be able to lubricate it by hand at first, and then start it using water, The engine I decided to buy is very small and is priced at about 40$. It is about 5cm in height and about 6cm in length. I didn't think that any sophisticated lubrication may be necessary. My main problem is with the spark-plug itself, I wonder if you guys have been able to fix the intermittent ignition of water problem. I guess the water on the spark plug makes the impedance of the spark gap go higher and make the it more difficult for the plasma effect to happen.

I don't even want to make it run only on water. I am planning to see if:
1- Water can run the machine, even if the input of the electricity exceeds the mechanical output.
2- If so, then see if it can be optimized to make it charge its input as well as running the motor.
3- See if this concept can be utilized in a larger scale.


Elias

[Xack]

Hello all,

I have started to experiment with the Water sparkplug circuit again. The problem I am facing is the fact that when the sparkplug gets wet it starts sparking intermittently.

If anybody could give me some advice from their experiences to help me convert a model airplane engine to run on water I'd be grateful.

I am planning to buy one of these miniature engines to start experimenting:
:: Tehran Hobby ::

Water explosion truly gives a good "kick" especially with high voltage and capacitor values, I may start running the motor with steam and moving to see if It can be run with water alone.

This may be a good jump place to make a car run on water.

Thanks beforehand ...

Elias

Elias,
2 cycle engines need oil in the fuel to lubricate the surfaces. Otherwise even if you do get the steam to work as a fuel you'll need to mist oil in the intake. Since oil and water don't mix you'll need an active mixer in your system for an emulsion or a dual injector for both. That will cause ignition problems depending on the mix ratio. It seems a bit much to deal with plus getting the water to burn in the first place. I would suggest a small 4 cycle engine. Pardon me if you had already made that assessment. You had suggested "model airplane engine" which leads me to think 2 cycle.

Good luck with the model engine testing.

Xack

[elias]

Some advice needed

Hello all,

I have started to experiment with the Water sparkplug circuit again. The problem I am facing is the fact that when the sparkplug gets wet it starts sparking intermittently.

If anybody could give me some advice from their experiences to help me convert a model airplane engine to run on water I'd be grateful.

I am planning to buy one of these miniature engines to start experimenting:
:: Tehran Hobby ::

Water explosion truly gives a good "kick" especially with high voltage and capacitor values, I may start running the motor with steam and moving to see if It can be run with water alone.

This may be a good jump place to make a car run on water.

Thanks beforehand ...

Elias

[rosco1]

My testing has ceased for the moment

Yeah, I understand. I do see what you are saying. I've looked at the Brisk also and it does appear it would work well. Guess you're tests will show it.

The resistorless Brisk LGS styled plugs have cleared Customs and have been delivered to me, but sadly I'll not be able to test them with plasma for about 3 more weeks.

I'm very much wrapped around the axle of another custom made plug design at this time, and until that has been seen through to it's conclusion, I'll not have time to test further.

[Turbo98]

Yeah, I understand. I do see what you are saying. I've looked at the Brisk also and it does appear it would work well. Guess you're tests will show it.

[rosco1]

No, I haven't...

Interesting..... So have you tested the Firestorm type with the RPG plasma vs. a conventional plug with RPG plasma in the engine to see the difference?

I couldn't see the point.

Plasma is a very different animal to spark, so rather than look at the somewhat restrictive "J" gapped plugs, we've opted to look for a plug style which would specifically target and exploit plasma.

Look at the Brisk LGS design, it would allow unrestricted pluming, around the entire plug base area, this is something a "J" gap plug simply cannot do. Of course non resistor LGS plugs aren't freely available, so these plugs are an unknown performer at this point.

There's quite a bit more to it than that, but until we've had the opportunity to test it, it's prudent just to keep quiet. Just in case it's a dud!

[wes77]

has anyone thought of doing this? (off topic, but related...)

I was wondering if something like this would work (see attachment)? Electrohydraulic metal forming is proven to work consistently and this very basic design is based on that idea.

I read this somewhere and thought... why not try this approach?

"Faraday had discovered over a hundred years ago that an electric arc explodes louder through a water mist than through normal air. Others since have created water explosions with high voltage arcs. Since 1950 this phenomena has been used in sheet metal forming. In the process a female mold is sealed against a hollow chamber with a metal sheet on the bottom. The chamber is filled with water and then electrodes are fired with a high voltage charge. The force of the water reacting to the electric charge forms the sheet metal against the female die part.

Researchers for a mining institute discovered that the force the water exerts is 156% of the power input through the charge and that after multiple firings there was neither a pressure nor temperature increase in the water. This would make it appear that all of the energy input to the system is released as kinetic force as well as the 56% overunity energy."


Regarding the design in the pdf... I'm not positive about the return stroke of the diaphram, but from what I understand, when the spark discharge takes place in metal forming, once the event is over, there is no remaining increase in volume or pressure so unless I'm missing something, it should return on it's own? If not, I assume there is some way to make it return.

I just wanted to post this in case people hadn't thought of it. If there is a fatal flaw (very possible) let me know as I am not schooled in mathematics or physics and understand there may be many reasons why this wouldn't work. But if it is workable, and any obvious problems can be resolved, it might be worth looking into.

If the efficiency claimed by the mining researchers is close to accurate, this type of system might be able to be looped if the other system components are efficient enough, not sure what efficiencies are possible with pumps and motors/turbines. I just know an IC engine is about 40% efficient at best.

Anyway, just thought I would share.

[Turbo98]

The Brisk LGS is a great design, no question. I run LGS exclusively in all our cars here, as many of you already know, but they're resistor plugs, thus they can't do what I ask of them.

Brisk have kindly made available a set of non resistor LGS plugs for my tests, and as soon as they arrive, they'll be employed along with the RPG 4700.

The Firestorm does have it's advantages, and until you've tried them yourself, you can't fully appreciate what they can do in a lean environment.

Don't pay too much attention to that 17 second video I posted on Youtube, that was just a test plug, and that cage is double the thickness of the cages of the actual plugs I run in the engine. It's just handy to grab that plug and use it to see what's going on, rather than pulling a plug whenever I wish to view the spark and plasma events.

That ball tip and cage has allowed me to view the HI6 and PS91 spark at the same time as the plasma, meaning that they appear to be crossing at the same time. Yes, I'm saying they are not merging, which is interesting in itself.

Not sure that point could have been noticed with many other plug styles.

Not sure what it may lead to, but what if another plasma were run in parallel, perhaps of a different strength?? Would they merge?

Interesting..... So have you tested the Firestorm type with the RPG plasma vs. a conventional plug with RPG plasma in the engine to see the difference?

[rosco1]

You're right...

I thought the idea with the plasma is to have an as unobstructed path to the cylinder as possible. It seems that the Firestorm replicas have a lot of metal in the way. From what I've seen, the Aquapulser produces a pretty impressive spark with a standard style spark plug. I can understand testing the LPG Brisk as they have a unique open design but would think the Firestorm replicas aren't needed. Maybe I'm missing something.

The Brisk LGS is a great design, no question. I run LGS exclusively in all our cars here, as many of you already know, but they're resistor plugs, thus they can't do what I ask of them.

Brisk have kindly made available a set of non resistor LGS plugs for my tests, and as soon as they arrive, they'll be employed along with the RPG 4700.

The Firestorm does have it's advantages, and until you've tried them yourself, you can't fully appreciate what they can do in a lean environment.

Don't pay too much attention to that 17 second video I posted on Youtube, that was just a test plug, and that cage is double the thickness of the cages of the actual plugs I run in the engine. It's just handy to grab that plug and use it to see what's going on, rather than pulling a plug whenever I wish to view the spark and plasma events.

That ball tip and cage has allowed me to view the HI6 and PS91 spark at the same time as the plasma, meaning that they appear to be crossing at the same time. Yes, I'm saying they are not merging, which is interesting in itself.

Not sure that point could have been noticed with many other plug styles.

Not sure what it may lead to, but what if another plasma were run in parallel, perhaps of a different strength?? Would they merge?

[Turbo98]

I thought the idea with the plasma is to have an as unobstructed path to the cylinder as possible. It seems that the Firestorm replicas have a lot of metal in the way. From what I've seen, the Aquapulser produces a pretty impressive spark with a standard style spark plug. I can understand testing the LPG Brisk as they have a unique open design but would think the Firestorm replicas aren't needed. Maybe I'm missing something.

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[ashtweth]

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[gmeast]

Original Vexus circuit

Remember these? It's all for sale ... $800.00

The circuit that was in the Bug and all the plugs ... Beryllium Copper ones and the Nickel ones too plus the lone silver one too.

YouTube - 03
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Greg

[rosco1]

I should add...

I've encountered a "field" issue when the RPG wires are all attached, so I'm trying to overcome that, prior to moving forward.

This "field" is affecting cylinder 4, and only becomes apparent when I connect that particular RPG to diode wire.

I've tried everything I can think of to overcome this problem, but it has me beaten thus far.

I may have to reposition all of the diodes, which may in turn alter the way this "field" is interacting with the lead array.

It doesn't matter if the RPG is switched on or off, the problem with the lead at cyl 4 refuses to go away until I remove that diode to RPG wire, whereupon, that cyl fires again as though nothing is wrong.

I've added extra shielding to all relative leads, no joy, I've also added a Faraday Cage to the errant RPG to diode wire, still no good.

It appears that the lead to the affected cyl is being influenced by a "field", which is perhaps being emitted from the collective array, so adding Faraday Cages to the other RPG to diode wires is another thing I'm looking at.

I can report a slight increase in engine vacuum, as well as a slight increase in engine idle speed thus far. Responsiveness has also been enhanced.

I can't give much more than this at this point as I'm only getting plasma to 5 cylinders, and I really need to get it working on all 6 before I can say more.