Bedini Ferris Wheel Regauging Motor

[jerdee]

Mag Amp Control


I want to discuss the principle of rotational magnetic amplifiers. I had to experiment with this principle, so I tried this....

• Take four wires, any size, but keep them same length and size for now. Keep this simple.
• Wind three wires as a trifilar coil and the fourth one by itself. The trifilar will be the Mag Amp. While the separate coil will be CONTROL. MAKE SURE TO NOT LITZ THE WIRES OR THIS EXPERIMENT WILL NOT WORK!!!
• On the Mag Amp coil, connect one power strand end to the top of the next power strand. This will be two power strands in series!! This will create high inductance on the windings!!! Measure the inductance of these windings and keep the LC meter connected.
• Now short the third available winding on the trifilar and measure the series inductance. It drops!!
• Now take the third winding ( control strand ), place it across a 9 volt battery and measure inductance.
• Flip the polarity on the 9 volt. What do you get? A gigantic inductance rise or lowering of the series power wires depending on 9 volt polarity. You can swing the inductance either way dramatically with very little input.
• Now connect the 4th single strand coil left to the third control winding instead of the 9 volt battery. This extra coil should be in PARALLEL to the control winding of the trifilar mag amp. Think of this as the impedance matched slave coils on the sides.
• Take a large Neo and slam it on top of the slave control winding! Guess what, you control the inductance to the Mag amp coil very easily!!! Both up and down!!! This all requires an A/C wave to control the inductance!!

[i_ron]

Body FET

I got a fet pulsar to work on a 12v system. The circuit is between the 2 negatives. It dumps the cap (14500uF) when it reach 25.2V. The caps in parallel with the opto led and the gate , determines the on time. Without them the circuit will not work. The pulses are 1.5A nearly twice a second but that depends on your input which is the real important part of this thread.
The fet needs a heatsink and for bigger systems we need to put more fets in parallel like in John's patent and we will have to clamp the gate voltage to 18V some or other way.
I will post a short video later.
Here is the diagram.
John please let me know if you have something else in mind and some clues maybe.

nvisser,

Not sure how you got that to work as the direction of the arrow on the body diode lets the current flow from the cap to the battery with the FET unpowered. At least it does that for me and the cap doesn't charge up.

This calls for back to back FETs.

Ron

[Rl2003]

Well I just spent the last couple hours in the shop fashioning a nice 1/2 plexiglass timing wheel and laying out the angles for the magnets. I quit for the night and come in to check this forum and I just missed John say that an optical switch will work..O well it will this go nicely on the next size up..

I would say the three coils remind me of a gate. I will have to rest and watch this some more to try to get my mind around it.

Mark P.

[redrichie]

So Like john says, why does he need any switch on the output. He doesnt. He also said he fires the pulser 3 times a second I believe. Watching the video, it appears that the bottom coils fire (in parallel) one right after the other, pulsing the next incoming magnet, as the magnetic current flows through the coils. right at about three times per second.
So the pulser fires and opens that flood of energy every time the magnets induce the spike in the coil? is the switching for the pulser done at the timing wheel, with the halls, or is is that definitely for the hub portion?

I was not able to attend the conference. If I am out of line (or league) by asking here please someone let me know. I am just trying to learn.
@John
When using the plates to shape the magnetic field of the center coil, does the angle of that plate correspond to the Masonic upside down delta symbol (sacred geometry/square and compass)? Or is that angle there purely due to the outside slave coils length?
Watcing the video clip there is a long pulse as the magnet passes over the plate/coil/plate then 2 short pulses as they pass over the outside coils. Correct?

[BrentA929]

Time running out?

John,

Curious...

Why are you running out of time?

This thread is amazing! You are a true inspiration to us all and it was amazing to be apart of the November conference. I will definitely be there in July with hopefully a better understanding of what you are sharing with us. There is so much more than just circuits to wrap your head around. Intriguing how all this stuff ties together!

Best regards, Brent

And I'm not screaming just running out of time.
John B

[Matthew Jones]

I don't want to get off subject too far. and this just the opinion I am using to to further test at this time.

The first thing you have to do is really test a cap pulser. I have been looking at this one for a couple of days now and others posted around, and I am starting to see a pattern.
Most of the time people are dumping the full potential in the cap to the battery minus what doesn't come out for battery voltage. This is wrong. You need to stop discharging the cap a good bit before the battery voltage is at an equal. Your switch also needs to turn on and off faster than the switch that is driving the coil.

Here in my opinion is whats happening as simple as I can put it.

You put a few watts in the coil to charge the coil and then shut it off. The little bit of energy does what it does and heads to the capacitor. The big spike is let loose by the coil and right on the heels of the little charge. They both hit the plates of the capacitor at the about the same time. (Remember spikes move faster).
Referencing the cap pulser I showed...
If you watch the spikes at this point coming out of the diode at the collector of the transistor they steady increase in size as the potential rises on the plates of the capacitor. This is not because they are bigger but because the load of the capacitor is going away, because it is filling up. The negative energy (Reverse time) in the spike converts to positive energy(Forward time)
as the spike hits the plate of the capacitor.

Now when the final spike comes into the plate, and triggers the zener, we get a brief discharge of the capacitor into the charge battery.
BUT... We also get to take advantage of the spike, that just hit plate, and all the energy it pours out when it converts into positive energy.
Its really kinda virtual.(Example only) You've got 1 amp sitting on the plate and you have got 300 volt spike hitting at the same time you open the whole thing up to the charge battery. For just a fraction of seconds that battery is looking at an enormous potential and a bit of current coming at it.
Its a doorway. The battery only needs to see potential to charge. And there it is. More potential than you could generate in hour. Sitting right in front of it.
Now Pulse more....Simple
Thats the best I can explain it.

You do not get high amperage pulses if the spike is not present. You do not get high amperage pulses if the spike is out of time.

But you do get them if everything lines up.

Thats all I know, because that all I have seen while looking at it.

I keep changing the timing a bit here and bit there and it always show the same thing. No matter what going into the cap no matter how high the potential on what or amperage is. If it does not line up you do not see that effect.

If the relay comes on while the spike showing (on the scope) at the cap you get a big dump. If it isn't You don't. Simple.

Now here's the question that is more important.

How do you get the caps full and makes dumps often?

Well you better start paying attention to your wheel and its configuration. You better worry about making those particular magnetic fields that create VERY FULL SPIKES.
And stop worrying about a little "easy to make" cap dumper. Once you start getting the power out of those machines, then the cap dumper can help you get more.

Matt

[John_Bedini]

Big Bedini Wheel

Vissie,
For what your putting in it seems it is pulsing right. what are you using to charge the cap a Mono Pole circuit ? The Bedini /Cole switch would be a little different, but you could pulse that with a opto unit instead of the hall. And yes you can use optical switching in place of the hall. Raui is right look again at the timing wheel. Also I think Mathew had a much higher voltage on his cap.
John

This is not as impressive as the one Matt showed.Only 12V. Cap disharging at 25V
YouTube - Picture.avi

[Mark]

You'll get more energy to your batteries overall by using the cap pulser on the back end.

I can detail the explanation if needed.

Matt

Please explain Matt because with the testing that I have done I have not found that to be the case. I have found when charging batteries using a solid state oscilator they charge quicker without a cap pulser on the back end. Is there a certain ampereage or discharge rate that works better than others?

Mark

[Matthew Jones]

You may not need a switch on the output as all the energy is stored in the coils (as in Ed's U-bolt magnet design) and it gets dumped to the caps after the magnets leave the cores of the outside coils. ...............
Bill H.

You'll get more energy to your batteries overall by using the cap pulser on the back end.

I can detail the explanation if needed.

Matt

[Bill H]

As I said before this machine is to advanced. look at the three coils what do they make up? So why do I need any switch on the output?

It's possible you are on the wrong planet .

And I'm not screaming just running out of time.
John B

The machine I do beleive is too advanced for me at least at this time, but I am going to continue and learn all I can.
I have been researching Ed Leedskalnin and his work as well as finding all I can about the Bedini/Cole switch...parts ordered.
I have started work with hall switches and will adapt these to my current ssg.
As for the rest of the ferris wheel circuit, I still have much to learn.
But I will take a shot at what I am thinking.
You may not need a switch on the output as all the energy is stored in the coils (as in Ed's U-bolt magnet design) and it gets dumped to the caps after the magnets leave the cores of the outside coils. The center coil has just pulsed and following very quickly the outside coils cores are covered by magnets, all energy is contained in the 3 coils as they are all tied in parrellel, once the magnets leave all energy is released.
I will stress that I have no where near enough to work with yet, still learning.
Thanks John B. for all you have given
Bill H.

[Raui]

The speed of the machine is also not important, it's the overlapping of the switching that is important in the dwell angle. This is equivalent to a car distributor and it better be set right.

Hi John
I cannot understand how we must trigger 23 deg atdc if the magnets are only 22.5 deg apart. This is very confusing for me. Could you please try and explain this to me?
Regards
Vissie

Nvisser,
I could be well wrong about this but could it be that the trigger is at 23 degrees due to the lagging effect the iron puts on the electromagnet. Since it wouldn't be very much I can see it being only half a degree of a full rotation and thus 23 degrees.
Just my two cents.
Raui

[nvisser]

Timing

Jeremy,
You are correct except your a little off on the outside coils as far as spacing goes.
But with a little adjustment this will work, past TDC 23 DEG. When adding Iron you cause a resistance/delay in the magnetic field. you can cause non liner action in the field emitted. Good drawing.
John B

The speed of the machine is also not important, it's the overlapping of the switching that is important in the dwell angle. This is equivalent to a car distributor and it better be set right.


Hi John
I cannot understand how we must trigger 23 deg atdc if the magnets are only 22.5 deg apart. This is very confusing for me. Could you please try and explain this to me?
Regards
Vissie

[IndianaBoys]

Code 144

[nvisser]

I got a fet pulsar to work on a 12v system. The circuit is between the 2 negatives. It dumps the cap (14500uF) when it reach 25.2V. The caps in parallel with the opto led and the gate , determines the on time. Without them the circuit will not work. The pulses are 1.5A nearly twice a second but that depends on your input which is the real important part of this thread.
The fet needs a heatsink and for bigger systems we need to put more fets in parallel like in John's patent and we will have to clamp the gate voltage to 18V some or other way.
I will post a short video later.
Here is the diagram.
John please let me know if you have something else in mind and some clues maybe.

This is not as impressive as the one Matt showed.Only 12V. Cap disharging at 25V
YouTube - Picture.avi

[alexandre]

I have told everybody to watch the movie at www.144.com for a reason.

Here is the movie: YouTube - The Secret of the Universe 1 of 6