Bedini Solid State Oscillators

[blackchisel97]

I have a sense of humor too!

Hi Tyson.

Of course I was joking. But seriously, if we use a gentle charge without building pressure inside, which cannot escape than we can extend their life while protecting our assets. I want to get small solar panel to power them. Even solid state can be easily run by 12W sp.


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[blackchisel97]

That' what I meant -


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[SkyWatcher]

Hi chisel, not sure if you meant this jokingly as if to say, so they say "However, alkaline batteries were never meant to be recharged", but from what i've read the only difference is because the shell is not strong enough to handle the pressure built up inside and that makes it cheaper to build. Maybe you already know this.
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Tyson

[blackchisel97]

Hi blackchisel, thanks for info. Yes I have tried to charge primary cells also and have charged a few, but some pop or simply start oozing fluid out. I wonder if there is a way to modify these to withstand gentle recharging to get more cycles from them, like some kind of reinforcement to prevent the bursting effect.
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Tyson

With SSG you can change the wave to charge or desulfate -
this is a charging mode. In desulfating mode, "h" roundish part of a wave will be straight diagonally to the right and down to the bottom. This can be adjusted by changing base resistance (lowering). In solid state version you can adjust discharge timing thus, lowering voltage on dumping cap. For example; if you want to desulfate battery, you set timing for the cap to discharge @ 19 -25V. For charging you can go with 2 - 3V above battery or even less. However, alkaline batteries were never meant to be recharged


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[SkyWatcher]

Hi blackchisel, thanks for info. Yes I have tried to charge primary cells also and have charged a few, but some pop or simply start oozing fluid out. I wonder if there is a way to modify these to withstand gentle recharging to get more cycles from them, like some kind of reinforcement to prevent the bursting effect.
peace love light
Tyson

[blackchisel97]

Hi SkyWatcher,

Since you mentioned impedance; I just charged two Energizer alkaline 6F22. I should say - one charged one failed. The one which failed is Energizer Industrial. Two others were successfully charged to 10.5V and stay at 9.9 after 1hr. However, Industrial behaved differently; Upon connecting voltage went up to 20 and kept going until I disconnected - at 37V. Just realized, that I never charged Industrial before. I guess some are not meant to be charged again. Word of caution - always wait at least few hours before putting them to any equipment, just in case they decide to pop


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[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, thanks for replies. Yes blackchisel i was probably pushing it too hard at end charge, one other thing i rechecked was output and it seems with charging the nimh, that i was outputting way too much and had to set the input back to allow for the1 watt output and that should get rid of any heat. Sometimes its tricky to apply the 1 ohm resistor test and then put a different load on and it changes things with impedances. Anyway, that should explain why there was a little heat built up.
peace love light
Tyson

[blackchisel97]

1 watt at the output cannot conventionally charge batteries at the rate these radiant chargers can, Definitely. To get bubbles in large battery like those I witness at 0.11A I would have to push with 6-8A from conventional charger. It would be nice to "soften" charge near the termination point to avoid heat in batteries - which is a killer.


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[sucahyo]

Hi sucahyo, Well the nimh heat up a little bit only at very end of charge, but like I said this charger does not heat up the lead acid.

Ok. I guess different current flowing trough because of different internal resistance allow cooler operation in lead acid. In my latest circuit the NiMH do not heat up at all after 1 hour with end voltage of 1.45V, with usable charge. Maybe because my body is warmer than the battery that I can't detect it.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi sucahyo, Well the nimh heat up a little bit only at very end of charge, but like I said this charger does not heat up the lead acid. So that is why I'm saying something a bit different may be happening inside nimh cells. And you can read as much as you like from Bedini and you will find any flyback event from a coil is radiant electricity, though I would say yes, the radiant form can vary as to its wave form and what have you. As Ed Gray with the light bulb under water. My point was though, that as Bedini and others have pointed out, 1 watt at the output cannot conventionally charge batteries at the rate these radiant chargers can, so that's why I'm confident in saying something different is occuring. Though different cell types may react differently than lead acid is all I'm pointing out.
peace love light
Tyson

[sucahyo]

I think there may be something different with the way the nicads and nimh are charged by the radiant pulses because my nimh's get slightly warm whereas the lead acid has no heat detectable. I mean the flyback is the flyback, it is radiant no matter what, I mean when 1 watt or less on output can charge a 12volt-7AH SLA in less than 12 hours, what else could it be other than radiant and something else combined to charge that battery.

I think whenever there is heat detected from nicad or NiMH there is non radiant electricity being pushed. I think pure radiant will never heat up nicad or NiMH.

I experience heat when:
- using capacitor in paralel with the charged battery
- using capacitor dumping method
- using only one 3055 transistor

The speed of charging can not be used to measure the radiant quality because I have seen normal charger charge nicad in 2 minutes. As such when my one transistor circuit charge either nicad (1000mAh) or NIMH (2500mAh) in under 10 minutes but heating them up as well I don't consider the circuit output as radiant. It is said in battery manual that charging 1700mAh NiMH under an hour need 2600mA, while I certainly have about input current half of that and output current tenth of that.

If 1 watt input can charge nicad just as fast but heating them up, it bound to damage them sooner or later. But if it don't make them heat up, then that is the charger of my dream.

Agree about the bifilar, it should be compared with other coil with same static resistance/impedance.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi sucahyo, thanks for reply. I think there may be something different with the way the nicads and nimh are charged by the radiant pulses because my nimh's get slightly warm whereas the lead acid has no heat detectable. I mean the flyback is the flyback, it is radiant no matter what, I mean when 1 watt or less on output can charge a 12volt-7AH SLA in less than 12 hours, what else could it be other than radiant and something else combined to charge that battery. In regard to the bifilar coil I said I was using now, irregardless of the fact it's bifilar, It has at least twice the mass of copper as the previous coil I was using and I think that may be the reason for better charging. We must remember Joseph Newman was blowing large diode packs on relatively low input power. So I think we should look at making the coils with more copper mass and try to keep close to the same resistance.
peace love light
Tyson

[sucahyo]

You know how some people have said pulsing 3 frequencies at slightly different phases may give anomalous results, well would a bifilar or trifilar match this.

I think this can also be achieved using three 555 controling the transistor with the helo of diode. Each of the three frequency should be a number derived from odd or even number divider of some nature frequency. If the goal frequency is 40000. then three frequency may be 20000, 10000 and 5000. Off course the frequency can be uv light frequency and the divider can be thousands. Anyone has a methode for deriving the three frequency?


After some hour charging with capacitor dumping methode using circuit I post preciously, I have decided that I will not use capacitor dumping method. The reason:
- slightly heat up two nicad, sign of non radiant electricity.
- maybe the cause of fluffy charge in the 12V battery, the battery now show 12.37V at standby but drop to 6.5V when loaded, never happen before.
- rather noisy
- my capacitor is a normal 10000uF/50V capacitor, not special one like Tom Bearden mention.
- warning from John Bedini that battery may store voltage only some day and can not power something.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi Blackchisel, thanks for reply. Yes maybe the impedance is closer matched with this bifilar coil and the panasonic nimh's and why more throughput at the diode. So does what I said about how a current front slightly out of phase passing the other wound coil in a bifilar make sense to you. I had the thought while laying in bed, so it may be close to the truth, just wondering what you folks thought about it.
peace love light
Tyson

[blackchisel97]

Hi SkyWatcher.

I wonder if these bifilar coils really do pack more punch as Tesla said, it seems so. I would say -definitely yes.
I think that whole trick with battery is to find her resonance. Either with single frequency or -what may be better with harmonics. I remember high school time experiments with resonance and shattered glasses in my parent's curio cabinet
Did you ever watch a video of Equilibrius Grid - John Depew?(check on youtube) Have you wonder how he manage to keep all those rotors spinning? BTW. there are no coils above, below or anywhere around. I have watched this tens of times and it's on my dream list to have this replicated. This is a perfect example of expanded EMF field (rather a bubble) by extracted harmonics of 416Hz. What do I know
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