Bedini Solid State Oscillators

[phishy]

[sucahyo]

i will try your circuit but like Lee have said the charge from a self oscilation circuit is not so good as a pulsed charge!!


so im really lookin for a good simple 555 timer circuit that works with the solid state...

No, that is simply not true. my MJT can produce twice output voltage or output current than my 555 version. And I use the exact same two transistor for both circuit. Sting oscillator produce same output as my 555 version. Although I actually get more with sting oscillator because I can change its frequency.

Here is my combined sting oscillator and MJT:
YouTube - Sting Oscillator + MJT = big charging potential

The reason I don't use 555 anymore is because it fried to easily compare to the transistor. I also don't miss my 15% duty cycle because transistor heat is not a problem, coil heat is my problem.

my 555 version:



Same transistor. MJT use 1A air core coil, 555 use 1A iron core coil:
MJT direct output voltage = 300V
555 direct output voltage < 100V

However, MJT is tricky, not easily replicated and can not drive car coil. Which is why I am really happy when discovering sting oscillator.

I get current, but power out still about a third or less of power in generally

Here: 300mA output measured
YouTube - Sting oscillator + MJT output current measurement

from 1.5A input at 12V while charging a battery:
YouTube - Sting Oscillator + MJT input current

[smw1998a]

Hi juju,
the circuit is based on two CMOS 7555 timers, they are low power versions of the bipolar 555 but function the same. The problem with the Bedini circuits is they generally cause problems with integrated circuits (IC's), which is why I use a separate supply for the circuit but you can run the circuit from the Bedini supply battery as long as it is less than the 18v maximum for the 7555 and 15v for the 555.

Everybody has to start somewhere juju, I would suggest studying some of the 555 tutorials on the web, which are very good.

Regards Lee...

[juju]

hi lee

i read your document now, i first looked at it, but it seemed complicated to me...

but now lookin better is not so dificult and i have to say, the work is very well done...

i am just a newbie in electronics, i only have one 555 timer at this time... so i will try the first part A(astable) of your circuit...

but i see that the timer circuit, is being powered with an external source, so my only doubt is... can i power the timer circuit, with the same battery that will power the solid state bedini??

king regards

[smw1998a]

thanks sucahyo, you are very kind person

so im really lookin for a good simple 555 timer circuit that works with the solid state...

@ juju,
I'm not too sure exactly what you want from your circuit but I just posted a link to a simple 555 circuit that is both easy to build and implement, it charges more efficiently than a rotor based SG/SSG and more deeply than a pure solid state oscillating coil, it is also very flexible.

Regards Lee..

[juju]

sucahyo

Hello All,
I have found, in most cases, that self oscillation in the SSG circuit results in a "fuzzy" charge (battery potential rises rapidly but when the battery is load tested, depth of charge is lower than a rotor based SSG). Due to this I found the rest time between pulses provided by a rotor based SSG is important, particularly as the potential of the battery rises above 15v or so, reducing pulse frequency at this point certainly helps charge acceptance and increases the batteries load times. Here is a link to the paper that describes the circuit.

SSG Pulse Generator

Regards Lee.

thanks sucahyo, you are very kind person

i will try your circuit but like Lee have said the charge from a self oscilation circuit is not so good as a pulsed charge!!


so im really lookin for a good simple 555 timer circuit that works with the solid state...

anybody have sucess getting output current in the radiant spike?

i have seen a video of a solid state putting out almost the same current that was putted in and much more voltage out!!

hugs

[sucahyo]

you take the spike from the KSC5027 colector as usual?

Yes, that is why it is important to keep resistor at kilo level.

why the secondary windings are loose? are them the same number of windings that the primary coil?

Unimportant if you don't need secondary. The coil can be anything. I can use it to make spark with car coil.

With a small toroid coil I just recently charging dead battery of 0.2V (with load) to 2.5V (with load) overnight with 400mA input at 12V. Without load it produce 110V:

so it is not a pulse circuit but a self oscilation circuit right?

Yes. Resistor value has to be matched with the coil used to get the most output voltage.

[juju]

sucahyo

dont understand very much your circuit... you take the spike from the KSC5027 colector as usual?

why the secondary windings are loose? are them the same number of windings that the primary coil?

so it is not a pulse circuit but a self oscilation circuit right?

[smw1998a]

Alternative Solid State

Hello All,
I have found, in most cases, that self oscillation in the SSG circuit results in a "fuzzy" charge (battery potential rises rapidly but when the battery is load tested, depth of charge is lower than a rotor based SSG). Due to this I found the rest time between pulses provided by a rotor based SSG is important, particularly as the potential of the battery rises above 15v or so, reducing pulse frequency at this point certainly helps charge acceptance and increases the batteries load times. Here is a link to the paper that describes the circuit.

SSG Pulse Generator

Regards Lee.

[sucahyo]

in my SG with a 12V 1.3Ah battery i get near 20V in rotation mode, and near 120V in self oscillation mode, with a led panel load it shows 3V.

Remove the led and use better power transistor, also add resistor between 555 output and transistor base to prevent frying the 555.

Or try my circuit:

[juju]

solid state 555 timer

hi guys, someone can help me?

i found some 555 timer led circuit in the web... that im posting.

i add a transistor, and the 555 output is triggering the base and pulsing a coil.

but my results on the radiant spike are very different from my SG circuit.

in my SG with a 12V 1.3Ah battery i get near 20V in rotation mode, and near 120V in self oscillation mode, with a led panel load it shows 3V.


with the SolidState and with the same battery, my amp draw consumption doubled, with the slowest pulse i have almost any voltage in the radiant spike, and with the fast pulse it shows me 30V, but with load only shows 1.2V.

anybody can help me to improve my circuit or maybe share one with good results?

[nvisser]

No your talking. Is that not what he does in the solar charger?
Isolating the supply completely from the charged cap bank before dumping it to the batteries. He suggested using the bipolar switch to do just that on the tesla switch

[blackchisel97]

When the cap discharge through the scr to the battery the scr will switch off when the cap side (anode) reach the same voltage as the battery side (cathode)
Now if your radiant pulses charge the cap up to fast, which is good, The scr will never switch off.
What I did was to switch at a higher potencial say 36v. That seemed to work.
I dont think 36v pulses is to bad for the battery.
I used that zener, scr circuit. With a 24v zener on the gate. As soon as as the cap reach 24v + battery voltage (36v) it triggers
I also had to use a larger cap like a 330uf that does not charge up so fast to 36v. Do not use huge caps like 10 000uf. They will short the scr with the first pulse
The circuit I used is on this thread #15
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...e-battery.html

Thanks Vissie I'll go through this thread tomorrow, I mean latter today I was up too early. I have another idea: what if I'll switch the circuit off while pulsing into the battery?
If you had a chance to see J.B schematic from FEG book, there is a switch (famous S1 ) at the positive from input battery. Knowing John, he wouldn't put the switch there just to indicate how to power off the circuit. I think that is the purpose - switch off while pulsing. This way, primary battery doesn't know what is going on. Does this make sense?


Vtech

[nvisser]

SCR not switching off

When the cap discharge through the scr to the battery the scr will switch off when the cap side (anode) reach the same voltage as the battery side (cathode)
Now if your radiant pulses charge the cap up to fast, which is good, The scr will never switch off.
What I did was to switch at a higher potencial say 36v. That seemed to work.
I dont think 36v pulses is to bad for the battery.
I used that zener, scr circuit. With a 24v zener on the gate. As soon as as the cap reach 24v + battery voltage (36v) it triggers
I also had to use a larger cap like a 330uf that does not charge up so fast to 36v. Do not use huge caps like 10 000uf. They will short the scr with the first pulse
The circuit I used is on this thread #15

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4887-method-dump-cap-voltage-battery.html

[blackchisel97]

Vtech - I've got an air-cored solid state sg that Ren gave me, and when I hooked it up to an scr cap pulser, I had to keep the cap below 3uF as well. Otherwise, same problem, scr stays latched on.

Reading your post, I'm supposing it is mainly a problem with air cores? That's interesting.

Hello Inquorate, I have built couple chargers with rotors and cap pulser, inverted SCR. The capacitor can be large since frequency isn't that high. I just get some tests reversing trigger and different caps. I put bank of photo caps, 120uF each and got 2500uF in total. I'm sure it will work with higher bank too but may need a beefier SCR.
However, in my iron cored SS I could get as high as 80uF. I did had a success once with 6800uF but I guess pulses were too powerful and SCR latched. I went back to 4uF and left it alone since I need something working and charging my batts.
This is my first air core and of course it oscillate much higher than with a core thus more pulses going into the cap. I had a short luck with 10uF cap (before SCR latched) but couldn't get the voltage under 25V, which is ok for sulfated battery but too much for regular charging, imo.
BTW I'm using 12A 600V rated triac (bipolar switching diode) not a thyristor.
I never came across any detail about this variant, other than J.B patent.
I appreciate you reply.


Vtech