Bedini Solid State Oscillators

[blackchisel97]

What is the mainly surface charge?

Battery appear to be charged according to the voltmeter but there is no actual power behind, mostly potential showing.

I charge my batteries until they reach at least 14.5V or more. After that I start cycling them by discharge/charge processes.

60AH battery should hold charge longer than that. It may be still sulfated and doesn't have sufficient capacity. Glass density meter for electrolyte makes good indicator of such.

Try to keep charging longer until battery reaches at least 14.5V. Let it rest and make a note of its resting voltage. Discharge and make a note of time frame. Let it rest and charge again. You can also connect one clip of voltmeter to one of the terminals and use a piece of bare wire attached to the second clip. Now you can probe each cell starting from the terminal to determine the weak one. There are 6 cells and each should read above 2V.

V

[nafanja]

It sounds like your circuit is self oscillating due to the base resistance being too high. When you inserted core self oscillation stopped. You'll notice voltage climbing quickly but it will be mainly surface charge. There is a gassing and HHO present during charging. Make sure you have a good ventilation and be careful with sparks.


V

What is the mainly surface charge?

[nafanja]

Thank you V

Now I am use 50-100 Ohm base resistor and bulb/lamp with near 200 Ohm resistance.This lamp 14V 50 ma is like indikator and resistor.


Yes, it's true, when I use the core - the oscilations is stoped.
The air core is work and charge.

But tell me plaese why 40W lamp/bulb 12V is discarge the 60A h lead acid auto batery for 1 hour?

I make charge to 13.86 Volts. And discharge to 12.45.

May be 10 cicles is not enough? As far as I am understand , this kind battery may discharge more longer?

How many cikles I need for charge. I have a new battery.
Or I am make something wrong?

The first charge was be fast and the discharge is faster.

What I must to do?

My 20 transistors 100 (near 100 ma per one tranistor) charge for (1-2 hour) this battery. yes? it's- very quckly. but why 3.5 Amp of the lamp make fast discharge?

[blackchisel97]

I re-make SSG Bedini motor and make this scheme

I don't why - but it's work. I have 8 cuircit coil and 5 c.coil.
The 3055 transistors.

The nois from the coil near 440-450 Herz ( a note of 1 octave)...may be this frequency is real. Now i can't to measure this.

But I have a questions. Why it work?

I have 100 Ohm per transistors.

Thye diameter of the wounds near 0.51-0.56 mm. Resistance near 10 Ohm. 700 turns. Air core. Whean I put the welding roes the freqiency coes down and it's stoped.

Why thebattery charge quickly (60 A/ Ah) but 40W buld discharge very fast. I was make near 10-15 cicles. And What the high Vo;tage lever for charge. It's hear a little noise rom batery near 13.6 V, it's HHO...It's normally?

It sounds like your circuit is self oscillating due to the base resistance being too high. When you inserted core self oscillation stopped. You'll notice voltage climbing quickly but it will be mainly surface charge. There is a gassing and HHO present during charging. Make sure you have a good ventilation and be careful with sparks.


V

[nafanja]

The questions

I re-make SSG Bedini motor and make this scheme

I don't why - but it's work. I have 8 cuircit coil and 5 c.coil.
The 3055 transistors.

The nois from the coil near 440-450 Herz ( a note of 1 octave)...may be this frequency is real. Now i can't to measure this.

But I have a questions. Why it work?

I have 100 Ohm per transistors.

Thye diameter of the wounds near 0.51-0.56 mm. Resistance near 10 Ohm. 700 turns. Air core. Whean I put the welding roes the freqiency coes down and it's stoped.

Why thebattery charge quickly (60 A/ Ah) but 40W buld discharge very fast. I was make near 10-15 cicles. And What the high Vo;tage lever for charge. It's hear a little noise rom batery near 13.6 V, it's HHO...It's normally?

[minoly]

Well i have already made a multi-coil SG (you know that i am discussing that on other thread and you are answering there)..

Can you give a schematic of multi-coil solid state version. .... ?

your build is already there,
you only need to invert the trigger and add a couple of resistors to one of your transistors:
YouTube - ‪6 FILAR SOLID STATE SG‬‏
I would not put the EC diodes (as per JB). I left them out when I built it and it charges my 110Ah in less than a day.
here it is on a small battery using the same 23/26 awg you have. my wire is 265'
YouTube - ‪min2oly's Channel‬‏
this type of solid state charges fast, however JB notes that with this basic SSG ckt, the wheel is the one that will get you closer to independence.
careful with the HHO

Patrick

[salman144]

Multi Coil Solid State

Well i have already made a multi-coil SG (you know that i am discussing that on other thread and you are answering there)..

Can you give a schematic of multi-coil solid state version. .... ?

[blackchisel97]

Well, i am still doing some experimentation on how to increase the charging speed. With current solid state charger (Bedini Original) a 7.2Ahr battery takes atleast 2 days to charge up to its full voltage. So i cannot even think about charging a 100Ahr battery (it will take weeks).

Any ideas?????

To work with 100Ah batteries you need either multicoil/multifilar rotor or multifilar solid state and I mean multi not just three windings. Make sure your base resistance is not too high and observe the input draw. Circuit will oscillate with higher than necessary resistance but charging rate may be poor due to the weak pulses.
My small trifilar solid state can charge 20Ah battery within couple hours but I have 3x 100' of AWG#18. Wire thickness makes a difference.
Also, it takes time to desulfate and format battery with radiant pulse. After that you'll notice much shorter time required to fully charge battery.
Please check my youtube prototype of six filar solid state and the charging rate with large industrial battery. Again, this battery has been reclaimed and formatted before.
I don't use cap pulser with my trifilar. I charge off the bridge rectifier.


Vtech

[salman144]

How to increase the charging speed

Well, i am still doing some experimentation on how to increase the charging speed. With current solid state charger (Bedini Original) a 7.2Ahr battery takes atleast 2 days to charge up to its full voltage. So i cannot even think about charging a 100Ahr battery (it will take weeks).

Any ideas?????

[blackchisel97]

Well i used AWG#26 for trigger coil and AWG#23 for other two. Does that make any major effect..?

Salman

No, it should still work fine.


V

[salman144]

That's correct. Approx 450 Turns of AWG#23 each of three wires. In other words 1:1:1


Vtech

Well i used AWG#26 for trigger coil and AWG#23 for other two. Does that make any major effect..?

Salman

[blackchisel97]

Pulse coil is not shorter as far as i think. All coils of equal length.

That's correct. Approx 450 Turns of AWG#23 each of three wires. In other words 1:1:1


Vtech

[mikrovolt]

Hi salman,
On a post in the thread bedini earth light

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7351-bedini-earth-light-21.html#post140880

someone came there lost with questions and wanted to
understand things. I directed him to a video John Bedini made,
it is a small solid state circuit for a small battery.

I will use the minature version that John donated
to experiment because 35 feet of #30 and a welding rod
is inexpensive.

I want John to make money with his big chargers
because they are a very good product, beneficial
to commercial and residential use, public understanding and we need to see
success. I know all the people at the next convention are
going to exchange ideas get excited so we all benefit.

As a small experimental solid state Bedini charger
that is the electrical circuit part is best referenced here.
The magnesium / copper cell is addressed there.

[salman144]

Pulse coil is not shorter as far as i think. All coils of equal length.

[jtanguay]

You're correct that impedance matching is crucial but in this case trifilar coil is done as 1:1 transformer, where each winding is the same length and same wire thickness - AWG#23. (I'm talking about the circuit from EFV book, page 46).
In Simplified SG circuit trigger coil is about two sizes thinner than power coil. This results in higher trigger impedance.


Vtech

Oh so it's a 1:1 transformer... But the pulse pickup coil is shorter right?

I'm assuming that if I did use a shorter and thicker wire for the secondary charging coil, I would get better charging amps with less volts, but the desulfating wouldn't be as good, right?

Thanks!