Bedini Solid State Oscillators

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Is there a way to get a battery to charge with the radiant spikes while using hardly any input power.
Let me state the facts as many others have already done.
My 12 volt-7 amp hour SLA is charging with the output of 94 milliwatts using the 1 ohm resistor method and at a very good rate of speed.
As others have pointed out, how can this be and moreover, how can we get this charging without using almost 4 watts input to do it as I am with my setup.
There has to be a way.
I mean, if only 94 milliwatts is doing all the charging, then what are we missing.
Granted, it is high voltage spikes with very low current, like a couple milliamps.
Anyone have any ideas on how to achieve those 94 milliwatt spikes while using next to no input power.
How about static electricity type machines or something, I'll be thinking about it.
Also, why doesn't a high voltage, low microfarad cap charge a battery like this does, surely a 200 volt-1uf cap should show the same charging effect with continuous discharges, what are we not seeing here.
peace love light
tyson

[citfta]

Hello woodski,

I think I see a couple of problems with your circuit. The 22 ohm resistor between the plus of the battery and the drain of the mosfet is limiting the current through the mosfet and the ability of the mosfet to fully turn on the coil. You shouldn't need that resistor. Just connect the drain directly to the plus of the battery. Also you don't need the diode between the source and the coil. The mosfet already has protective diodes built into it. If you want to add some more protection you could put the cathode of the diode at the drain and the anode of the diode at the source to make sure any reverse spikes would bypass the mosfet. Just connect the source directly to the coil. This way you are not limiting the current through the mosfet or the coil. Hope these ideas give you some help.

Carroll

[woodski]

Help Please

I have built my solid state bedini using a 555 timer as a trigger. The trigger is set to be about 290Hz. My problem is that the setup seems to work but the charge time of my capacitor is very slow. It only gains about 0.5V per minute.
I can't draw proper schematic drawings but I sketched out my circuit and attached it.

My thoughts are that the mosfet is a bit weak. What can you suggest.

Thanks.

[abdlquadri]

help with the patent John Bedini US Patent 2003/0117111A1 - "Device and method for p

While still fiddling with solid state. Maybe I'm stubborn but I do believe there is something in this circuit not revealed to me yet. Meanwhile I found John Bedini US Patent 2003/0117111A1 - "Device and method for pulse charging battery and for driving other devices with pulse". Instead of 555 it runs on SG3524 - allowing full control of duty cycle, two optocouplers, two MJE15024 and four n-channel IRF260. What make a lot of sense is a separate 12V for PWM. Pulser runs on 24 -50V. Capacitor bank is 0.132F. Circuit looks yummy I wonder if anyone tried this yet? I'm gonna try it anyhow but would love to hear any feedback. Oh, I almost forgot - there is no coil


Vtech

hi all, blackchisel97

pls kindly assist with labelling the pwm in this patent (i mean the number of the pins connected to) (link below). Sorry if it sounds dumb, I am no EE. Just learning from projects on the forum and PJKbook.

I would also appreciate a link to a good resource on pwm.


Thanks alot

Device and method for pulse charging ... - Google Patents)

[nafanja]

The triger coil direction

Dear V

Tell me please how right to connect the trigger coil?

The down out of cil at the scheme or point side (Collector side of power coils) must connect to the "+" of input/power. The highest side or opposite of point side ( "+" power side of power coils) goes/connected to base resistor, I am right?

May my thikness of the ware ( 0.56 mm) give the losse of charge?

Today evening

At the nearest time I found two lamps/bulbs 3W 12 Volt. I am connected for get 6W that nearest power or resistance of 5W 12 V lamp. The lamps stay make a little light. But my clamp meter (when I clampimh aroun ware) is show me 6 Amps. It's mean that each from 7 transistors get near 0.8 Anps. I don't know may be my DC clamp-meter is not correct?
But the Voltage at the charging battery stay less and the charge is stoped.

I add 250 Ohms resistors. Clamp-meter is show me 1.6 Amps. The charging is start.
It's mean that my transistor have more amplifiring base current?
The light of the bulbs is off.

[nafanja]

Thank you

Tell me plaese again: how to forming the battery 60 A h or more?

When I make many cicles of charge -discharge and I make discharge to 12.35 Volts my lead auto-starter acid battery 60 A h very quick go to 12.35 but charge fast. At the naearest days I was discharge to 11.6 and 11.3. After that the batery stay to charge very slowly. Thay chage good to 12.00- 12.20 Volts and after that stay charge very slowly, but not like on your video.

I was see the recomendations to not discharge the battery to 12.20-12.35 Volts. but when the car is starting - the charge from 12.85 Volts go fast to 10.8 Volts intill the car is run and the generator make 14.4-14.5 Volts of charge.

As far as I am understand the starter car battery made for strong starter currents. The starter at the car near 250 Amp. I was see the diagrames and test of starter car battery and Optima and other may run the 250 Amps near 20 seconds. I would like understand how people use lead or lithium baery in electric car? The lithium battery may work in 0.3C.
I was see the test of one lead acid batery which may give 100% curent to the lioad, and people was charge this battery by big curent near 1.5-2 hour.

I try understand what kind of battery I may use for electric car and the home.
I know people who need 7 kW energy. And I try uderstand which kind of btery to use. How forming the battery and many other.

As I am understand the Solid State JB Charger not have the rotor. more smaller and may be charge a little faster. isn't it?

I try to undrestand, if it's will be the China lithium batterty 90 A h with 0.3C variant that mean 3 hour discharge by 30 Amps the 240V sanwich and 30 Amps = 7200 W per hour. Does cmake SS Charger the charge in 3 hour?

For example I have two sandwich. 240V. One bankes (3 houres) is discharge and second bankes/sandwich is on charge and thiees bankes is replased in time.

As far as I understand, the MJL21194 is may work up to 250 Volts. I just find 15 Amps and 200Volt 150W transistor Toshiba. as I am understand this transistors have nearest parameters and I must built it to heatsink for cooling.
My transistors is cold at the 12V , but 25 Volt make them hot.

As I am understand, I must to have thinner ware. My ware 0.56 mm is very warm and very hot at 25 V0lts. The rectifier diodes in input or power block without the heatsink is make the smoke. I need to cooling them too?

What is a better for fast charge - the higher Voltage or low Voltage and built more transistors?

Dear V: how many time do you forming your industrial battery. What is the discharge level do you make? It's battery near 100 A h? How many cicles did you make?

[blackchisel97]

Yes, this is correct.
I also have bridge rectifier connected to the output and pos/neg from the bridge going to the battery. You can charge off the diodes too, as per diagram.
Collector-emitter diodes are not necessary.
You can try with 200 -300 Ohm base resistors and 100 -150 Ohm common one or you can use 50 Ohm and 12V5W bulb in series. Bulb should barely glow. When gets bright than you have too much current going into the bases. I use MJL21194 and adjust resistors to have about 200 - 250mA going to the base of each one.
Don't worry about pins. If it doesn't work than reverse trigger wires.
My battery has been formatted with radiant chargers and they'll charge faster then regular ones. They will also climb up to 16 - 20V. New battery will not do that right away.


V

[nafanja]

Thank you V

I try to copy your schame at this video.

YouTube - ‪6 FILAR SOLID STATE SG‬‏

Now I repaint the scheme and please look this.


I try to use 7 traiansistor for make the replacation of YOUR scheme.

Tell me plaese, how to tune the resistor R1?
And how to find the resistors at the base when I will have 24 Volts at the input (Power Block)

I have this scheme (like on the video), but my replication is not charge fast like at your video. Very long time.
I try to understand what I make wrong. Hopw on your help.

Tell me plaese, what is the resistor do you use at R1 place? I am aboutr your video.
YouTube - ‪6 filar solid state 2.AVI‬‏

The transistors is not with the heatsink and coolimg. They cold. But the coil is hot or warm. may be something wring?

Do you have the secrets for fast charger?

Do I need the Collector Emiter diod at the 12 and 24 Volt input power?

I have a question about the L1 or Triger coil. Do I show the coil pins write. The side with pin must connect to "+" of power and highest side to the base rsistor?

[blackchisel97]

First of all, You have a mistake on your schematic. All transistors are NPN not PNP as VT3 as you have.
10 and 20k resistors are fine. 220 Ohm in each base should be fine too but your schematic has an error; each transistor should have its own base resistor. All of them are connected to the common adjustable rheostat or experimentally chosen resistor with or without the bulb in series. This resistor (rated at 10W minimum for such setup) is connected to the trigger coil wire. Other trigger wire can be connected to the negative rail (input neg.) or in inverted trigger fashion - to the positive rail (input pos.) I have 1:1 ratio in all my coils except wheel Simplified SG.
I used AWG#18 wire. All windings are the same length, 100' and twisted together. I power mine from 20V DC and coil is warm to touch. Transistors may be the same temp. At 12V input everything stays cold.
2000 turns are not needed for this setup. I don't count turns, just stretch the wire, cut into desired length and twist with cordless drill.
Of course you can use thinner wire if you have such at the moment. You may compensate thinner wire with more power windings. It should charge the same with 5 x #18 or 8 x #21.
You need 1000V rated diodes. Fast ones are ok as long as they're rated at such V. 100V diode will not survive.
If you decide to apply higher input V you'll also need to readjust base resistors for higher values and adjust common resistor accordingly. Also check the temperature to see if any cooling/ heatsink may be needed. Small PC processor fan will do the job if necessary. I have one to keep everything cool.
With highest setting in my 6 filar SS the current draw is about 4A and 0.8A on the lowest.

I hope this answered most of important questions you had.


V

[nafanja]

[sucahyo]

i would really like to have everyone comment on the design and give their views..

I think you need at least 100 ohm resistance between pin 3 output to each individual MOSFET. try 1K. but there are other design more correct for MOSFET. maybe need 100K resistor or something between the pin 3 output to negative and positive.

[shubhamforme]

one of the best solid state chargers..

hi ,
i am using this type of charger to charge my batteries and surely charges them well,
i have also recovered a 9v nimh battery with this set up...

i would really like to have everyone comment on the design and give their views..

i've beemn facing a problem and that is that either to use a single big toroid to make all the coils winding in one toroid or to do single winding of all 4 coils saperately on different small toroids...
I had tried both the setups and performs totally different in both the configurations...as i dont have an oscilloscope so i am not sure which configuration is the most efficient one...
kindly help me out
thanks
shubham

[nafanja]

Thank you

Thank you Dann

You give me the answer)))

Dear V

YouTube - ‪6 FILAR SOLID STATE SG‬‏

As I am understand - it's your video.

What is the resistor at the trigger(first coil)?
I would like to replikate your schame.

How many wounds do you have at your coil?

As I see - the charge of your large batery a impressivly fast.

[kapierenundkopieren]

@ nafanja

HI! I don't see what is your problem, your battery seems to be good, you just don't know how to discharge it . If you want to see the full capacity of the battery try to discharge it to 10,5v (under load), then let it rest for one hour and then charge it up to 14,5v or 15.10v and let it rest for 12 hours and see the voltage - it should be around 13v.

For info take a look here: Lead–acid battery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dann

[nafanja]

Thank you V

But the battery is new.
I was bue it at auto-shop. It's strater lead acid batery, packaged.
What is the sulfatation process may be?
The Voltage was be 12.6. The discharge has made by 40W lamp.

The week or more I don't make charge to 14.5 Volt.
Charge system in the auto is 14.5 Volt. as i am uderstands - the charge must be to 14.5 Volt.

But the first discharges was show me the very quck discharge.

Now I have 19 transistors and the Voltage stay charge fast.
but today morning I was find that this system to chare the batery very-very fast. Super fast.
The DC clamp-meter chow me total curent near 4.5 Amps.
But the bulb discharge the battery to 12.5 Volt very fast too. The battery try to stop the quck/fast discharge at the 12.5 Volt. May be the starter lead acid battery start slow discharge from 12.5 Volt or may be the batery was remember my charge to 13.00 Voltage?

What is the low Voltage may be used? You say about 12.35 Voltage, but starter battery when the car is start - stater moove the Voltage from 12.85 to 10.8. After that the car generator make 14.5 Volt.

I don't know what to do.

I have a good condition GEL lead acid 60 A h battery.
It's my second battery.This battery was chare by the standart (from the complecte) charger.
But situation is the same.
I may make the quick charge but the Voltage go down and stopped to Violtage which maked by standart charger:
I charge the batery by standart charger to 13.3 Volt. After that I discharge to 12.45-12.55 Volt by 40W bulb.
After, I connect the self oscillator and the charge is very fast. But when I use 40W 12 V lamp - the discharge is stay 12.55 very quckly. And stoped at this point ( 12.55V).

May be I make something wrong when I make formimg/condition proccess?