Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[RAMSET]

returning the spreader and get another??

S
HOO BOY
I need you buddy, I want to make a ring !! [the way you do]
We'll do this one together ,when I get back from Harbor freight .

Thanks Buddy
Chet

[Slovenia]

Garage Duty

I'm stuck cleaning the garage today. I did get my ring finished early this morning and it looks pretty good. I haven't had a chance to put it in the water yet. Maybe this evening that will happen. I made a few design changes to make the assembly easier for others to duplicate.

[Slovenia]

Ok I can see what means Formula for cop from MrC, but from my understanding is wrong.


Take just ramset measures:

Common boiler :10 Min Raised 4 C .07 Kilo Watts corrected-> 10 Min Raised 4.5 C .078 Kilo Watts
Ikea:10 Min Raised 4.5 C .10 Kilo Watts

Also I think that RAMSET meant KWh not KW
KW reading should be welcome

So Ikea Boiler is 78% efficient in compare with standard resistive boiler
or 22% less eficient.

So COP 1.6545 is wrong. Or tell exactly what figures stands for inthere
Excuse me If I get sometning wrong. Please correct me.

[RAMSET]

The spreader is not made for this diameter

As you can see at the 12-3:00 oclock position it has rolled and failed
this spreader was purchased for the professor's device it's to small for the ikea

And worst of all sigh.......... its Slovenia's

[Ares123]

Thank You for sharing numbers.
Also I admire Your work.

This is why I stated that whitouth exact procedure You can be very close to result but never get there if You don't have right parameters.
example cut the flask exactly at that size. This is why without proper math or equations to calculate we are simply building good loking devices.
Now you have proper tool to sand or polish flask but you don't know where the sweet spot is maybe one inch bellow there would be no need for sanding.
So I really think that MrC project is "easier" to replicate and compare.
But if Mr Ikea hit the sweet spot I am with him.

[RAMSET]

KWH Is correct Not KW!!

Thank you Ares123
We desperately need focus from you fellows with better understanding!
I have absolutely no pride in this scenario ,we do what we know how to do
and hope for direction from other sincere men!




The sanding process

[Ares123]

Mr. "C" saw the IKEA boiler and wanted me to pass on some information to you about it.


COP account for the bottle Ikea
COP = (((18972.059 x 4.5 x 4.186) / 600) / 60/60)) / 0.1 = 1.6545 average
at 100 degrees Celsius would be COP = 3.309
IKEA has received more energy than is invested 3.3 times at 100 degrees Celsius 110 V60 Hz
At 220 V to COP was twice as high
Super result for the start of a correct one error with a ring to resonate at 300 Hz

5 gal water

Resistance heater
10 Min Raised 4 C .07 Kilo Watts

ikea boiler [unsanded 1.5MM gap 4MM height ....... Hack job but I had to do it]

10 Min Raised 4.5 C .10 Kilo Watts


Chet

Ok I can see what means Formula for cop from MrC, but from my understanding is wrong.


Take just ramset measures:

Common boiler :10 Min Raised 4 C .07 Kilo Watts corrected-> 10 Min Raised 4.5 C .078 Kilo Watts
Ikea:10 Min Raised 4.5 C .10 Kilo Watts

Also I think that RAMSET meant KWh not KW
KW reading should be welcome

So Ikea Boiler is 78% efficient in compare with standard resistive boiler
or 22% less eficient.

So COP 1.6545 is wrong. Or tell exactly what figures stands for inthere
Excuse me If I get sometning wrong. Please correct me.

[Slovenia]

IKEA Boiler

Hi Chet,

I think you're doing great. I get the feeling Mr. "C" doesn't like the IKEA boiler in it's present configuration. Once we've made some changes to it, he may like it better. We have to build these boilers with the materials and tools at hand. Good job!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Its good to have a baseline here [albeit poor] When I fire Up the professors device he will be going against the same Baseline!

S
I have a hard time understanding The professor, but it seems my control test
of the immersion resistance heater has shown what the professor is stating?

Thanks
Chet

[RAMSET]

A baseline

Its good to have a baseline here [albeit poor] When I fire Up the professors device he will be going against the same Baseline!

S
I have a hard time understanding The professor, but it seems my control test
of the immersion resistance heater has shown what the professor is stating?


@TEKTRON
Thanks for the response ,Always appreciated !

I felt the same as you ,however if these devices work as advertised
I should be able to use a swimming Pool

I am attempting to keep it simple for the sake of competition .[more folks testing and trying ]

A line in the sand ...........
If next time I test {Today} with a proper Gap and properly prepared "Rig" and I double my performance ??

There will be Competition here.

Then we will really have some fun

Thanks
Chet

[Slovenia]

Message from Mr. "C"

Mr. "C" saw the IKEA boiler and wanted me to pass on some information to you about it.


Message from Mr. "C"

First Message:
I saw the images of IKEA bottles, is not well made, sonic boiler corrosion if not well made.

The gap between the electrodes must be 1.725 mm at 60 Hz 110 Volts, at 220 V is 2.52mm At 300 Hz has to resonate, A little water should be above sonic boiler.

Second Message:
COP account for the bottle Ikea
COP = (((18972.059 x 4.5 x 4.186) / 600) / 60/60)) / 0.1 = 1.6545 average
at 100 degrees Celsius would be COP = 3.309
IKEA has received more energy than is invested 3.3 times at 100 degrees Celsius 110 V60 Hz
At 220 V to COP was twice as high
Super result for the start of a correct one error with a ring to resonate at 300 Hz

[TEKTRON]

When I run my tests i don't care what the start temp is!
Its the start, I finish that test and then I start the next,, same water but now its hotter than the first test start!

This should make no difference ?

I just measure the time the temp rise and watts consumed!

If one test starts at 10C and finishes at 15C I start the next one at 15C
And so on !

No problems right ??
Opinions?
Comments?

Thanks
Chet

Chet, I dont see a problem to a point see below.. but I would use a smaller quantity of water so the differences between both heating methods would be greater. Point being the hotter the water gets the more heat loss due to evaporation. 90% heat loss in a swimming pool is due to evaporation. 5% by conduction( through the sides of the pool) and 5% loss due to convection currents. Here is a way to test microwave power output in watts. You may be able to modify the formula to test the efficiency of your heaters ?


forgot link:How To Check the Output Power (wattage) of a Microwave Oven

[RAMSET]

A stupid question

When I run my tests i don't care what the start temp is!
Its the start, I finish that test and then I start the next,, same water but now its hotter than the first test start!

This should make no difference ?

I just measure the time the temp rise and watts consumed!

If one test starts at 10C and finishes at 15C I start the next one at 15C
And so on !

No problems right ??
Opinions?
Comments?

Thanks
Chet

[RAMSET]

[RAMSET]

1,5 MM gap Not specified 5MM gap

Crappy ring Wrong gap and it still made corrosion

Oddly you can also see corrosion on the last 3MM of the tube close to the cut!

the whole thing needs neatening up and sanding

[Slovenia]

Thanks!!

Thanks Gordon!! You always have encouraging words.

Nature loves courageTerence McKenna





Thank you Mr.C and Mr. IKEA

RAMSET and SLOVENIA of course