Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[toranarod]

Hey,

I attended a Vedic Mathamatics seminar in Byron Bay Australia last year and
found out about the the Golden mean or phi ratio of 1:1.618.
I'm a very logical, scientific person and thus a friend paid for this to expand
my mind to allow for this metaphysics, then quantify it to myself .
(Plus ordered me a copy of "the book of Phi" by Jain.)

I will not pretend to understand all the metaphyical side of these beliefs,
however, the fact that Ben Franklin utilized a magic square/Lo-Shu square
to in his experiments thereby the sum/sigma equals 260.
Rodin coil used the 108 code, that is phi (1.618) to 100 decimal places and
Searl effect generator factored in phi with the materials utilized.

This is Jain words paraphrased from my notes in this seminar and I was the
only non metaphysical person there that asked scientific questions. He was
interested in my idea of having circuits containing the golden mean/phi.
(If what everyone has been saying is true, we will see the results!!)

Therefore, I must ask if anyone has seriously tried to incorporate the ratio
of 1.618 in either geometry and/or Ohms law in a circuit?.
I have only made a simple circuit and a metaphysist told me the correct
colours to use to obtain a non-linear result.
(can't explain how, I don't understand the metaphysics behind it)
I have only utilized the phi ratio in a simple circuit to quantify to myself if
there is anomolies to approaching this with a non scientific methodology
and will this obtain broken symmetry with non-linear results?

I know this a bit off topic but I'm very interested if anyone has used this
concept in geometry of the coil and then compare to the actual calculated
results of the expected properties of the coil.

Regards
Zero

I assume you are in Australia then? there are more Aussies joining all the time.

[toranarod]

I see the golden ratio being the peak point here. 1.618. Thanks!

the graph is very helpful I have added three magnets in a stack on my rotor.
according to the calculator I am able to increase the field strength. and it seem to be spot on. Good call Thanks

[ZeropointEnergy]

great link

I E-mailed the company that made the calculator I used above to thank them and inquire as to how they calculated the information. This was the reply that I recieved...



Very interesting. I am grateful that they were willing to release their information to the world. Especially in such a user friendly way. I hope it brings them much business.

K&J Magnetics - Magnetic Field Calculator

Hey,

Great link from K&J Magnetics for determining the magnetic field strength
in grade N38 and over. I have just been using this as a resource tool before
ordering my next lot of magnets. I wish they had grade 8 ferrite magnets
included in there and would of saved me a massive amount of time that I
spent mapping out the magnetic field strength to the air gaps between
magnets. (iron filings on paper was utilized too)

I was discussing what is the best tool for testing for uniform magnetic field
strength when checking the properties, I said would have to be a simple
design to create a home made gauss meter using hall sensors, or maybe was
a complex design (just not sure if would work as advertised)


Regards
Zero

[ZeropointEnergy]

Golden Mean

Hey,

I attended a Vedic Mathamatics seminar in Byron Bay Australia last year and
found out about the the Golden mean or phi ratio of 1:1.618.
I'm a very logical, scientific person and thus a friend paid for this to expand
my mind to allow for this metaphysics, then quantify it to myself .
(Plus ordered me a copy of "the book of Phi" by Jain.)

I will not pretend to understand all the metaphyical side of these beliefs,
however, the fact that Ben Franklin utilized a magic square/Lo-Shu square
to in his experiments thereby the sum/sigma equals 260.
Rodin coil used the 108 code, that is phi (1.618) to 100 decimal places and
Searl effect generator factored in phi with the materials utilized.

This is Jain words paraphrased from my notes in this seminar and I was the
only non metaphysical person there that asked scientific questions. He was
interested in my idea of having circuits containing the golden mean/phi.
(If what everyone has been saying is true, we will see the results!!)

Therefore, I must ask if anyone has seriously tried to incorporate the ratio
of 1.618 in either geometry and/or Ohms law in a circuit?.
I have only made a simple circuit and a metaphysist told me the correct
colours to use to obtain a non-linear result.
(can't explain how, I don't understand the metaphysics behind it)
I have only utilized the phi ratio in a simple circuit to quantify to myself if
there is anomolies to approaching this with a non scientific methodology
and will this obtain broken symmetry with non-linear results?

I know this a bit off topic but I'm very interested if anyone has used this
concept in geometry of the coil and then compare to the actual calculated
results of the expected properties of the coil.

Regards
Zero

[Shadesz]

I E-mailed the company that made the calculator I used above to thank them and inquire as to how they calculated the information. This was the reply that I recieved...

David,

Thanks for the compliments. We originally built the tool to solve some problems for ourselves, and quickly figured out it would be a good resource to share online. We're glad that it has proven useful in your work. Nothing instructs better than playing with something!

The Pull Force calculations are based on a huge body of experimental data we gathered. We've never found a good formula for pull force, so we built what's essential a giant lookup table. The answers it provides look through a stack of known measurements, and interpolates in between.

The actual implementation got a little more complex than that, but that's the gist of it.

By all means, we're happy to take credit for any help it gave to you. Reference away!

Best Regards,

Michael Paul
K&J Magnetics, Inc.
K&J Magnetics - Strong Neodymium Magnets, Rare Earth Magnets

Very interesting. I am grateful that they were willing to release their information to the world. Especially in such a user friendly way. I hope it brings them much business.

K&J Magnetics - Magnetic Field Calculator

[MonsieurM]

i have only known it as the golden mean is that the same thing?
MonsieurM is that correct?

Same thing rod

Golden ratio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In mathematics and the arts, two quantities are in the golden ratio if the ratio of the sum of the quantities to the larger quantity is equal to the ratio of the larger quantity to the smaller one. The golden ratio is an irrational mathematical constant, approximately 1.61803398874989.[1] Other names frequently used for the golden ratio are the golden section (Latin: sectio aurea) and golden mean.[2][3][4] Other terms encountered include extreme and mean ratio,[5] medial section, divine proportion, divine section (Latin: sectio divina), golden proportion, golden cut,[6] golden number, and mean of Phidias.

[toranarod]

I like it. It does seem more like the golden ratio being the peak point. Now to get our magnet manufactures to listen...
Coils would be easier to control. That will make for some good testing once I get my unit built. Still scrounging up parts.

i have only known it as the golden mean is that the same thing?
MonsieurM is that correct?

[toranarod]

Thanks. Hopefully we will achieve what the world needs.

I got those digital switch boards that you sent me. Thanks.

that's great please give the circuit a good go, you will be very impressed.
i spent many long nights developing that controller

[toranarod]

Dear,
Is it possible to download detailed plans for Bill Muller ?
Please reply,
[email protected]

do you have the Romero setup i have that in a pdf

[Shadesz]

I will post a few photos
Its a Adams, Bedini Type motor. Rotor Dia 245 mm at 4600 RPM using 18 mm disc magnets
Hope you are well shades. your work is really moving ahead

good luck

Thanks. Hopefully we will achieve what the world needs.

I got those digital switch boards that you sent me. Thanks.

[Shadesz]

I like it. It does seem more like the golden ratio being the peak point. Now to get our magnet manufactures to listen...
Coils would be easier to control. That will make for some good testing once I get my unit built. Still scrounging up parts.

[kedbaker]

Dear,
Is it possible to download detailed plans for Bill Muller ?
Please reply,
[email protected]

[MonsieurM]

Maybe our coil geometry should match the golden ratio too. Length/Diameter = 1.618?

Imagine you are walking through a forest. All around you are trees of different species, age, size and height. It looks pretty random, right? Wrong.

In research funded by the National Science Foundation, Brian Enquist of the department of ecology and evolutionary biology at the University of Arizona and his team have discovered a secret in the trees: Hidden among and within the architecture of the branches are fundamental rules that link the size, shape, age and in fact everything about a single tree to all the trees in a forest.

This rule or code reoccurs as the tree grows, creating a fractal .

from: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...d-true-25.html

"Tesla matched the total weight of the primary and secondary windings so the two would be in a state of resonance."

So if I take it one step further and factor in 1/4 wave length I have:
6 awg 79.65 lbs/1000 feet
12 awg 19.8 lbs/1000 feet

If I use 12 awg for secondary at 4 times length of primary = 19.8 x 4 = 79.2 lbs
The total weight is the same and I create a 1/4 wave length effect.
All in resonance.

Comments anyone?

[elias]

Maybe our coil geometry should match the golden ratio too. Length/Diameter = 1.618?

[elias]

Today a hurried and ran a chart comparing magnet width to height ratios. I recorded the gauss calculation at 1/4" above the magnet face for every instance. In this study I was trying to determine the best width to height ratio so we can save both money, and rotor space.

Example: Say you need to reach a certain gauss for your coil. You could use either a wide and flat magnet or a skinny and tall magnet. Which one would be better? Well if we are trying to minimize the magnet bypass time obviously the skinny magnet is what you would want. But then how tall does it have to be? That is what this information will help you decide.

For the data I picked a constant magnet width (.5 inches for one line and 1.0 inches for the second line). I then decided to start with a magnet height of 1/4th the width. I recorded the gauss for this magnet at 1/4th inch above the magnet face. I then added another fourth to the height and recorded the gauss. And again, another 1/4th of the width added to the height and recorded.

Thus the measurements go like this...
Width x Height
.5 x .125
.5 x .25
.5 x .375
etc.

I plotted the results on the chart below. The X axis represents the height of the magnet as a ratio of the magnet width. You will notice that both the .5" and the 1" magnets had a similar line. According to both of the data lines your best use of money and rotor space is achieved when your magnet height is 2 times larger than the magnet width. This should help you save money and maximize the change in flux in a given rotor size.



I did this to help me decide the most effective magnets to buy but I thought you may want to know it as well.

Edit: I used this calculator to generate these numbers.

I see the golden ratio being the peak point here. 1.618. Thanks!