Stingo Solid State Battery Charger

[sucahyo]

P.S. I imagine we will need a proper "step up transformer" for this to work correctly. I propose we should make our own. We need to find out the correct amount of winds needed, to see if it's too much trouble first. I'll get some chips and transformer in a couple of days to make the circuit how it is shown first, Ive got nice big heatsinks already too, the road to the city is open again.

Maybe it is better to scrap it from broken UPS. They contain very big transformer which should be more efficient. Replicating them or buy new would be expensive....

[sucahyo]

Thanks for the info cikljamas. That look like a very simple inverter circuit. Is your output guaranteed at 230V? Since on my stingo experience, I get at least 50V at primary, and not sure if the output will be 220V if I use 12V/220V transformer.


Good luck on stingo 2pnp too .

[Farmhand]

Hm, hm, it seems that it would be better though to stick with my
tested (first one )schematic since now i see this second one could
not give you enough power, but this second one could be interesting
too for very low power loads...
If it could light one 20 W bulb and drained as much power as three
stingos than we would have even better one solution in order
to achieve our always desirable goal : sparing energy !
Am i right or not ?

Good luck with your inverters !

And i think i am gonna give a try this simpler inverter one of
these days too...

Cheers !

cikljamas, You are a Ledgend, THAT is the alternating MOSFET switching circuit I seek. Thank you so very much. It can be done much better than that with only a little bit more complexity, as in better gate drivers maybe.

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Dual fets both side's for more power, better heat dissapation or just redundancy. Larger Toroidal transformer

Wicked, that circuit could also pulse an opposing set of coils on a Toroid 180 degree's out of phase with a little modification. The pulse width would need to be reduced a lot for that.

Awesome i'll check it out.
Thanks.

P.S. I imagine we will need a proper "step up transformer" for this to work correctly. I propose we should make our own. We need to find out the correct amount of winds needed, to see if it's too much trouble first. I'll get some chips and transformer in a couple of days to make the circuit how it is shown first, Ive got nice big heatsinks already too, the road to the city is open again.

[cikljamas]

Hm, hm, it seems that it would be better though to stick with my
tested (first one )schematic since now i see this second one could
not give you enough power, but this second one could be interesting
too for very low power loads...
If it could light one 20 W bulb and drained as much power as three
stingos than we would have even better one solution in order
to achieve our always desirable goal : sparing energy !
Am i right or not ?

Good luck with your inverters !

And i think i am gonna give a try this simpler inverter one of
these days too...

Cheers !

[cikljamas]

inverters

Hi, guys !
You like inverters ? Of course you do !
Well, i found it very quickly on the net so i do not have to
photograph it...
This is one that i made twice (two of that same kind or two
pieces, however you like), so it is twice confirmed that they
work just fine, very fine :

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Transistors are getting hot after 10 or 15 min., but i think
it is normal for average consumption of 1,7 Amps, as i saw
on the meter comparing draining between this inverter and
three stingos lightening my cfl day before yesterday...

But looking on the net this schematic i stumbled upon this
one, even simpler, with just two mosfets :

Inverters & UPS Electronic Circuits-Circuit Diagram-Electronics Projects-Design

Since this one uses the same chip it looks very promising
to me, and if someone wants could give a try and check
it too, and maybe even before my tested (first one), and
if something went wrong you could still come back to my
tested circuit with six 2n3055s...

I am giving above suggestion cause it is simpler circuit
and could spare your money and time, and it just looks
very promising to me, and i am convinced that you are
going to have same impression as soon as you see its
schematic...

So i was looking for the diagram of my tested version,
and on the same page i found maybe even better one...
That is how i like the day to become...
And after i hear in morning news that flood in Australia
is dropping the day is going to be even sunnier to me..

Sucahyo, today is your two tip 32 circuit on the bench !
Thanks for your confirmation that it works fine !

Concerning my cfl - transformer combination :
Output of the stingos goes to secondary of 220/ 12 0 12 transformer,
and primary of the transformer goes to cfl !
I hope i answered your question in the best manner !

Cheers !

[Farmhand]

cikljamas, These inverters sound very good, can you give me some specific informations about these. Do you mean you made a couple of 12v to 220v inverters. I am very interested in that.

If you need specific informations about that inverter i will provide it
for you since i am very satisfied with these (i made two of them-same
kind, just two pieces) inverters...I bought one in the store (300 W) with
fan but that inverter (from the store) just drains too much power from
the battery, if you ever decide to buy one, i suggest you to buy 150 W,
instead of 300 W, or more in case that you need inverters for ordinary
purposes...

Cheers

[sucahyo]

Good noticed !...Sorry guys, i just left out of the cadre/framework my 220/12 0 12 toroid transformer, but you could use solenoid too, and i think that even better results you can get with 220/ 9 0 9 transformers...

You mean you put the 12V-12V part of a 220V/12V CT transformer as load?

That is still amazing .

If you need specific informations about that inverter i will provide it for you since i am very satisfied with these (i made two of them-same kind, just two pieces) inverters...I bought one in the store (300 W) with fan but that inverter (from the store) just drains too much power from the battery, if you ever decide to buy one, i suggest you to buy 150 W, instead of 300 W, or more in case that you need inverters for ordinary
purposes...

Thanks Sooner or later I would need an inverter .

The comparison of consumption is really helpfull since it means that we end up doing better eliminating inverter . Might as well convert the electronics in our house to DC if we use solar battery lol.

If i find enough time (Farmhand disturbed me with one amazing proposal in "this is it" thread) i am going to try one of yours proposal too : two tip 32 and one tip 31 stingo (do you remember that proposal ?)...

Yes .

I currently use it to spin harddisk, to see how long it can run. A broken battery power it for about three hours, so I think it is good.


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[cikljamas]

Thanks for inspiring me cikljamas. I plan on trying the stingo with some cfls too.

Please read below words !

Wow, how do you do that? You power CFL without secondary HV? Did you use the filament?

Good noticed !...Sorry guys, i just left out of the cadre/framework my
220/12 0 12 toroid transformer, but you could use solenoid too, and i
think that even better results you can get with 220/ 9 0 9 transformers...

Thank for the inverter information . That is really usefull .

If you need specific informations about that inverter i will provide it
for you since i am very satisfied with these (i made two of them-same
kind, just two pieces) inverters...I bought one in the store (300 W) with
fan but that inverter (from the store) just drains too much power from
the battery, if you ever decide to buy one, i suggest you to buy 150 W,
instead of 300 W, or more in case that you need inverters for ordinary
purposes...

Thank for the inverter information . That is really usefull .

You are welcome !

If i find enough time (Farmhand disturbed me with one amazing proposal
in "this is it" thread) i am going to try one of yours proposal too : two
tip 32 and one tip 31 stingo (do you remember that proposal ?)...

Cheers !

[sucahyo]

Hi, Sucahyo !
I played today with stingos and cfls, and this is the result :

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7486&stc=1&d=1269306546

Is it 1 A for 20 W bulb to much in your opinion ?
I compared stingo and one home made inverter and for the
same bulb stingo drains 1 A, and inverter drains 1,7 A...
1 : 0 for stingo (three stingo to be honest, but three stingos
are still stingos, am i right ? )

Cheers !

Wow, how do you do that? You power CFL without secondary HV? Did you use the filament?

1A is good enough . But I think you can still tune the circuit. I found that with high impedance output, the 500K pot may not be necessary.


Thank for the inverter information . That is really usefull .

[7imix]

Hi, Sucahyo !
I played today with stingos and cfls, and this is the result :

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7486&stc=1&d=1269306546

Is it 1 A for 20 W bulb to much in your opinion ?
I compared stingo and one home made inverter and for the
same bulb stingo drains 1 A, and inverter drains 1,7 A...
1 : 0 for stingo (three stingo to be honest, but three stingos
are still stingos, am i right ? )

Cheers !

Thanks for inspiring me cikljamas. I plan on trying the stingo with some cfls too.

[cikljamas]

Hi, Sucahyo !
I played today with stingos and cfls, and this is the result :

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7486&stc=1&d=1269306546

Is it 1 A for 20 W bulb to much in your opinion ?
I compared stingo and one home made inverter and for the
same bulb stingo drains 1 A, and inverter drains 1,7 A...
1 : 0 for stingo (three stingo to be honest, but three stingos
are still stingos, am i right ? )

Cheers !

[sucahyo]

I am very, very surprised that you never tried to replicate bedinis solid state chargers !!!
How is it possible ?
Even you, Brutus, you father of stingo ???

Cheers !

Mostly because of the component price.

The component requirement is a bit high and expensive too. I prefer not to toy with expensive component until I really know what I am doing.

Notice how many farad the capacitor are, and I don't think 250A pulse is a joke.

The circuit is rarely discussed. I am not aware if there are someone who try to replicate that circuit. The commercial product, fairly new lineup:
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I wonder if you could find a Dog toy that would give you the hollow base in a polymer non-conductor.

Toddler toy donut easier here. I have donut that work on timer driven version but do not work for stingo. Maybe because stingo require high inductance.

[kcarring]

If it is possible, I would like to try air core toroid, but so far still fail to make stingo work with air core toroid.

I wonder if you could find a Dog toy that would give you the hollow base in a polymer non-conductor.

[cikljamas]

I am very, very surprised that you never tried to replicate bedinis solid
state chargers !!!
How is it possible ?
Even you, Brutus, you father of stingo ???

Cheers !

[sucahyo]

Hi Sucahyo !
Thanks for your observation in "this is it thread" regarding bedini circuit...
I spent a lot of time today trying to figure out this circuit :

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7484&stc=1&d=1269214875

Could you maybe help me with posting one of yours tested bedini solid
state radiant charger schematic ?

Unfortunately, I never try that.

The principle is to pulse the cap, wait a while, then dump it to battery. The waiting part is important according to Bedini. On Bedini patent drawing, there should be delay between charging and dumping, because of the use of optocoupler. Optocoupler react in miliseconds. It is often mentioned that the commercial one is tuned down, meaning that we should do tuning to get OU.

I think ctglabs replication is different because it do not wait a while. May not work the same.


Ben have generously given me part required to replicate that circuit, so I will be replicating sooner or later. Although I may have to wait until I have scope.

Well to help you i must tell that instead of h11d1 i use 4n25, instead of 2n3440 i use bux 85, and instead of mj 15024 i use 2n3055, although i do not think that this substitutes for original components are guilty for my failure...

You still use mosfet? because you may need to change/remove some component if you use transistor instead of mosfet.

P.S. You mentioned that bedini solid state radiant energy pump is going to appear as commercial version on the market...do you have any idea about PWM that is crucial part of that amazing stuff as it seems it is ?

Those SG3524N chip are appear often on Bedini design. It seems Bedini trust that chip better than 555.

You know, it is very strange feeling when you are making bunch of circuits which are derivations of bedini solid states circuits and in the same time be aware of not being successful so far in tries of replicating original one...

The problem is we still do not know how to tune the device and what to do to tune it.

Bedini circuit need tuning. The first time I found stingo can reduce consumption on load on any condition, I am surprised. Sorry if this make you think that all bedini circuit are like that.....

But even with unconditional "resonant" (see gmeast comment on reduced input) stingo still need tuning too.