Stingo Solid State Battery Charger

[cikljamas]

G'day cikljamas, Inverter works, awesome. Did the mosfets get hot or just warm ? If my wire for my toroid don't come today I might get a chance to build one for testing some idea's to improve it, if the mosfets get hot that is.

G`day mr.Farmhand, over there is now midnight, but when you wake up
will be another day, and that is how Scarlett O`Hara closing "Gone with
the wind"...Yesterday i was searching on youtube Captain Bligh dancing
(Trevor Howard, Mutiny on the Bounty,1962.),tahitian dance, but i could
not find it, all i could find is this :
YouTube - Tahitian Dance- Ote'a
But if you remember that scene when Bligh dances like a bear you must
be already laughing, hilarious !!!

Regarding inverter : mosfets are not getting even warm, although i
did not tested it for more than 5 minutes but 5 minutes is enough
time to become getting at least warm, but nothing like that happened...
Is it bad or good ? I think it is good, cause when my "six 3055 inverters"
strarts to work, after 5 minutes transistors are already very warm, and
after 10 minutes they are hot, after 15 minutes they are very hot...
So i consider this not warming mosfets as a big advantage !

For making Big Arcs from a 12v battery Stingo is King. I didn't realise how expensive these little trim pots are that i'm using I have to find some cheaper one's.

Big Arcs, what is that for ?

Sucahyo, here is on the right circuit that i tested, and on the left is your
last proposal, so i am not sure is there much difference ?

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7537&stc=1&d=1269792944

Concerning inverter output voltage changing with different loads :

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7536&stc=1&d=1269792944

Cheers !

[sucahyo]

Thanks Farmhand .

Here is what I notice:
- low impedance coil has lower frequency on same circuit
- car coil has very low frequency
- air core coil produce above audio frequency even with load
- ferrite core produce audible frequency with load

The drawback of stingo is power reduce with higher frequency. Main control is 10K potentiometer. Try to use higher value like 50K potentiometer to get high frequency. Tweak the 100K potentiometer to sustain oscillation at high frequency. Try to remove or tweak 500K for best COP.

Try to increase coil impedance too. I don't know the relation of frequency with inductance. I wonder if big toroid with thick wire produce low frequency. You may need bigger than 50K then.

I don't have scope so I can't suggest much.


Good luck with the neck pain. Use primary coil terminal if you want to zap it. Prepare to hear the skin singing lol, I do.

Godfrey currenlty experimenting to improve wart zapper. Since he use MOSFET, he end up using same solution like gmeast , he use Dave Lawton 555 MOSFET circuit, 10K from 555 pin 3, to gate, then 470K to ground.

Sucahyo, i do not know why two 32 circuit does not work, but i tried today different combinations with two tip 32 with bingo too, and it does not work too...I tried that cascade (base of first 32 to collector of second, emitters on positive, but the problem is where to connect
collector of one of the 32)...
If both collectors(or even one collector and one emitter) go to base of tip 31 it does not work at all, and if i put one of the collector/emitter to the negative than i got some result, but bad result, and if i connect it to the collector of tip 31 that is the only combination that works, but with less efficiency than in normal combination...

So, i really dont know how you do it...

Do you trying to replicate this circuit bellow or you want to do darlington?



I fail to make darlington version too.

Concerning your stingo motor, it seems to me that your motor just drains too much, since my three Bedini window motors drain from 35 to 80 mAmps, and your stingo-hard disc drains 350/700 mAmps, and two of mine bedini window motors are much bigger and heavier than one little hard disc rotor, and they still drain 5 to 10 times less current than this stingo hard disc motor...

So i do not know what is the advantage of this stingo motor in comparison with bedini window motor for example ?

Hey, that is not fair comparison. what is your coil impedance. Harddisk motor around 6 ohm.

The advantage is:
- stingo can make harddisk motor turn, both ways
- without modification
- power consumption is reduced by utilizing coil collapse current, most Bedini fan isn't.
- stable start up consumption because you have to yank it to turn .


As for power consumption, I don't have other circuit to compare to, From search engine it seems to need around 700mA.
HDD Diet: Power Consumption and Heat Dissipation

You did not recognize not single one transformer on that UPSs ?

Yes, none.

Do the inverter output voltage do not change at all with load, cikljamas? Can we change the output voltage?

[Farmhand]

G'day cikljamas, Inverter works, awesome. Did the mosfets get hot or just warm ? If my wire for my toroid don't come today I might get a chance to build one for testing some idea's to improve it, if the mosfets get hot that is.

I have a bunch of tip 42 and 41's I think they are to make three stingo's for testing with the toroid, I have a feeling that Stingo's might work at three different frequencies. I have to try to build them to reach 43 Khz I if can, I hope sucahyo will have a drawing for that, there is something about Stingo that makes me think Sucahyo has designed one of the most usefull transistor oscillators on Planet Earth.

I really need to get my stuff in order ( big mess ) so I can catalogue actual paper drawings of all these usefull circuits.

For making Big Arcs from a 12v battery Stingo is King. I didn't realise how expensive these little trim pots are that i'm using I have to find some cheaper one's.

I also just realised I dismantled my Stingo, I was going to Scope him, i'll have to whip one up later.

Sucahyo, Creator of Stingo the King of Arc creation, which version of Stingo should I start with to make a 43 Khz Stingo I guess I will need some 500k pots and 100k pots for that, could you please point me to an appropriate drawing, I can't find the one Godfrey showed me, hey what happened to Godfrey anyway. It troubles me when people go missing I hope he's ok. I need to make some Arc's, my neck is playing up. Stingo medicine will help, I think I need the male energy too for a little bit. I remember last time it helped a lot.

I think the last one I made had a quite high frequency I measured over 20 Khz from memory, I think Stingo can do it. I want to also put the HV from the car coil through my loop coil to see what happens. Soon I will wind a 1300 turn single layer tower coil to go inside the loop coil primary. No idea how high the voltage will be from the top of the secondary winding, i'm guessing at least 250 000 volts. I should get good wireless lighting with that.

Cheers

Cheers

[cikljamas]

INVErtER

Hi guys !
Well i tested on the board this second (two mosfets) inverter,
and i am very content, it happened what i was wishing to happen :
we have improvment with this inverter (using the very same bulb)
of 120 mAmps comparing three stingo device...
So here is the picture which shows this improvment on the meter
display...

But i have to warn you about one crucial moment :

Do not use 0,01 uf capacitor between first and second pin, it could
cause big problems, and you are not going to be able to tune this
inverter to work as it should...

So, replace it with 0,001 uf capacitor !

One more thing : i strongly recommend you to also replace pot.1 k,
with pot 100 K, it could be the reason for difficulties in efforts of
well tuning the inverter...

So watch the picture and enjoy the Tesla light heritage fruits in your
home too !

Farmhand, you must be happy with this additional instructions that
came out from my messing around with your desirable two mosfets
inverter !

Cheers !

[cikljamas]

Sucahyo, i do not know why two 32 circuit does not work, but i tried
today different combinations with two tip 32 with bingo too, and
it does not work too...I tried that cascade (base of first 32 to collector
of second, emitters on positive, but the problem is where to connect
collector of one of the 32)...
If both collectors(or even one collector and
one emitter) go to base of tip 31 it does not work at all, and if i put
one of the collector/emitter to the negative than i got some result, but
bad result, and if i connect it to the collector of tip 31 that is the only
combination that works, but with less efficiency than in normal combination...

So, i really dont know how you do it...

Concerning your stingo motor, it seems to me that your motor just
drains too much, since my three Bedini window motors drain from 35 to
80 mAmps, and your stingo-hard disc drains 350/700 mAmps, and two
of mine bedini window motors are much bigger and heavier than one
little hard disc rotor, and they still drain 5 to 10 times less current than
this stingo hard disc motor...

So i do not know what is the advantage of this stingo motor in
comparison with bedini window motor for example ?

You did not recognize not single one transformer on that UPSs ?

Cheers !

[sucahyo]

Sucahyo, there is picture below of two transformers that you need for inverters to work fine, and on the right side are three UPS, so do you recognize on this UPSs transformers that you think could work, and if so, could you tell me what kind of purposes they acomplish successfully and could you mark on my picture exactly that transformers ?

We can not use any transformer at the right side for step up transformer based circuit.

Switching inverter ?...Do not know what you mean ?

Meaning voltage converter that do not use transformer but utilizing buck-boost principle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck–boost_converter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck–boost_transformer

Sucahyo, i made your two tip32 circuit, and it does not work at all !

That is weird. Notice that the top one leg position is normal, and the middle one inverted. It do require lower potentiometer value on 3V, but I run it on 12V with no problem too.

Sucahyo, did you think making this "two tip 32" circuit about cascade amplifier ? And if you did not, what do you think to do with these two tip 32 just that, it came to my mind today reading one electronic book about transistors,

No. I am implementing Bedini-cole circuit to stingo.

and i have plan to try this tomorrow because today i spent most of the time in bad, i have not been feeling well, and i still dont, but it will be ok, i am planing to be healthy by tomorrow...

I wish you use stingo for zapper or sleeping aid too. Learn to breath 8 stroke a minute as alternative.

cikljamas, A step up transformer for use in an inverter needs the primaries wound in opposite ways like (+9)-(0)-(-9) this is the way positive and negative componants to the output are realised. I think. So a (+9)-(0)-(+9) primary arrangement is different and is for two positive outputs.

I think polarity do not matter. There are design that use CT, and other do not. You have to choose which.



BTw, stingo motor:
This video show how stingo motor has half consumption and also twice faster rotor if the load is utilized. Two wire from the harddisk is used to replace the coil in stingo circuit. Weight is also added to the plate.

Funny that I don't remember it this way before, maybe because I now add some weight on the plate.....
YouTube - stingo motor, twice faster, half consumption with load


If you want motor that speeding up and actually consume less if we use the recovery part this is it lol.

I found it weird that Dr Lindemann mention stingo motor to be conventional. This is even more simple because we don't have to modify the harddisk motor in any way. Most Bedini fan circuit will slow down if load is utilized..............

[cikljamas]

Sucahyo, did you think making this "two tip 32" circuit about cascade
amplifier ? And if you did not, what do you think to do with these two
tip 32 just that, it came to my mind today reading one electronic book
about transistors, and i have plan to try this tomorrow because today
i spent most of the time in bad, i have not been feeling well, and i
still dont, but it will be ok, i am planing to be healthy by tomorrow...

Cheers !

[Farmhand]

cikljamas, A step up transformer for use in an inverter needs the primaries wound in opposite ways like (+9)-(0)-(-9) this is the way positive and negative componants to the output are realised. I think. So a (+9)-(0)-(+9) primary arrangement is different and is for two positive outputs.

This is how i see it. I appologise if i'm wrong but that's how I see it.

You may not find one in the electronics store to buy because they probably don't expect people to make thier own 220v AC power.

Cheers

EDIT. It depends on how it's wound I guess, but maybe you could swap the + and - on one winding. I'm not sure though.

[cikljamas]

Firefox failed, that was the reason of my problems, we fixed it...

Sucahyo, i made your two tip32 circuit, and it does not work at all !

Just for the record !

Cheers !

[cikljamas]

Firefox is still unusable for replaying to thread, really strange...
I use i.explorer now ...

Maybe that is switching inverter, which do not use transformer.
.

Sucahyo, there is picture below of two transformers that you need for
inverters to work fine, and on the right side are three UPS, so do you
recognize on this UPSs transformers that you think could work, and if
so, could you tell me what kind of purposes they acomplish successfully
and could you mark on my picture exactly that transformers ?

Switching inverter ?...Do not know what you mean ?

So your inverter always produce 220V no matter what kind of load it has cikljamas?
.

Yes ! I think the only problem that could occur is in relation with transformer
not with inverters circuit...

cikljamas, Yes you are also correct, the problem of determining the correct windings to use and how will not be easy. Which is why I mentioned making them, no real need for toroidal's. Also when I think about it, if they are purchased even by one or two of us it may help to determine how to use the salvaged transformers and if they are appropriate to use. We need one with two primaries wound in opposite directions with a common connection, and with a 10 or 20 times step up in secondary windings, don't we ?

Cheers

Well, Farmhand you think the way i think...and they are purchased at least
by one of us, and i think it is cikljamas - look at the pic below...

Concerning primaries and secondaries :

Lets make it strait : primary is usually first wound wire (thinner and longer
one), and usually primary is just one wire, and secondaries (step down) are
usually second one wires (fatter and shorter ones), am i right ?...

And if we talk about step up transformers maybe it is not like i just described
above, i mean is it opposite way of winding or what/how ?

But i am confused about this difference between step down/ step up
transformers because step up transformer is also step down transformer if
you switch their primary to be secondary and opposite , and step down
transformer is also step up transformer if you switch their primary/secondary,
so, is there difference at all ? The only reason for making them different way
is if you want to have more secondaries for step up function or you want to
have more secondaries for step down function...Am i right or i do not know
something that i should know finally ?

Cheers !

[cikljamas]

transformers

I dont know what is going on with my browsers, firefox do not allow
me to reply to threads, and with internet explorer i have problems too...
Maybe someones sabotage ?
Now i am in hurry, if problems continue at least you know something
is going on....

[sucahyo]

Maybe these are transformers or choke's or one of each, i've asked before but no answers. That is a big UPS board. I'll find out when I need to.
http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...3-1.png?psid=1

Maybe that is switching inverter, which do not use transformer.

Yes the 230v is garanteed because you set the pulse width to give you that with the rated load of the transformer or componants. It can also be done some how with a feedback PW variation setup.

Sucahyo, this inverter is tested 100 %, it works fine, you do not have to worry about anything, and i dont know why you doubt at all that this inverter can give at the output (primary) 220 V ?
Maybe i did not understand what you wanted to ask, but this tested inverter which use 220/ 9 0 9 transformer not 12/220 transformer is that one i made twice and i have two of them and both works very fine and reliable ! This one with mosfets i did not try and i can not guarantee for that circuit since it is not tested by cikljamas !

Thank you both. I am just worrying that the output may not end up 230V and may actually more. It even be worse if the circuit voltage vary with load, high voltage with light load, low voltage with high load, etc.

So your inverter always produce 220V no matter what kind of load it has cikljamas?

P.S. Seems to me if we generate our own power that is stored in batteries or is DC we need to change it to AC at the voltage our conventional appliances need it. So if we can just add an appropriate inverter circuit to the ouput, we can then just plug in stuff. Maybe.

Some appliance like DVD player or even TV, have 12V voltage option too. Newer chinese version do not show it but opening the case show adaptor inside them. Should reduce inefficiency converting 12V to 220V and back to 12V again.

Could you show some picture of that transformer from UPS, i mean i have at least two of these transformers but since they have more pins than usual transformers you have to know how to connect them, am i right ? I just hold three of these transformers in my hand:
1. first one has 2 pins on the primary and 6 pins on the secondary side
2. second one has 3 pins on the primary and 6 pins on the secondary side
3 third one has 4 pins on the primary and 6 pins on the secondary side

It seems there are version that use switching and other use transformer. It seems newer one use switching because it would be lighter and cheaper to make. Here is bellow taken from different version of APC 600VA UPS:




The old one have big transformer. I have seen 1000Va version that have twice as large but I can not find it.

But i was looking on the internet for sg 3524 pwm circuit in order to be able to use it in bedini solid state radiant pump, and all i could find is this :

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7502&stc=1&d=1269484988

What do you think about that schematic in general and is there any way
that this schematic be used for bedini solid state radiant pump with some
adjustments maybe ?

The schematic for tesla switch is complicated. May need different tuning requirement, many people replicate this but the only people report gain power it with big SSG.

Maybe you can adjust it using value mentioned in previous Bedini solar solid state patent. Or just using other PWM reference using SG3524N. Sorry that I can not be much help in this.

[Farmhand]

cikljamas, Yes you are also correct, the problem of determining the correct windings to use and how will not be easy. Which is why I mentioned making them, no real need for toroidal's. Also when I think about it, if they are purchased even by one or two of us it may help to determine how to use the salvaged transformers and if they are appropriate to use. We need one with two primaries wound in opposite directions with a common connection, and with a 10 or 20 times step up in secondary windings, don't we ?

Cheers

[cikljamas]

Thanks for the info cikljamas. That look like a very simple inverter circuit. Is your output guaranteed at 230V? Since on my stingo experience, I get at least 50V at primary, and not sure if the output will be 220V if I use 12V/220V transformer.

Sucahyo, this inverter is tested 100 %, it works fine, you do not have
to worry about anything, and i dont know why you doubt at all that
this inverter can give at the output (primary) 220 V ?
Maybe i did not understand what you wanted to ask, but this tested
inverter which use 220/ 9 0 9 transformer not 12/220 transformer
is that one i made twice and i have two of them and both works
very fine and reliable ! This one with mosfets i did not try and i can
not guarantee for that circuit since it is not tested by cikljamas !

Maybe it is better to scrap it from broken UPS. They contain very big transformer which should be more efficient. Replicating them or buy new would be expensive....

Could you show some picture of that transformer from UPS, i mean i have
at least two of these transformers but since they have more pins than usual
transformers you have to know how to connect them, am i right ? I just hold three of these transformers in my hand:
1. first one has 2 pins on the primary and 6 pins on the secondary side
2. second one has 3 pins on the primary and 6 pins on the secondary side
3 third one has 4 pins on the primary and 6 pins on the secondary side

So how do you connect this pins to get 12/220 transformer and are these
transformers strong enough for inverters purposes ?...I suppose you have
to use transformer with at least 25 VAmps power ?

I ask you this because i tried whole bunch of transformers scraped from
different devices like adapters (cell phone chargers), speakers, etc., and
they are no good for inverters and for cfl lightening too !!!

I was to busy yesterday, so i had to postpone your two tip 32 circuit for today
after i sleep a bit...

But i was looking on the internet for sg 3524 pwm circuit in order to be
able to use it in bedini solid state radiant pump, and all i could find is
this :

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7502&stc=1&d=1269484988

What do you think about that schematic in general and is there any way
that this schematic be used for bedini solid state radiant pump with some
adjustments maybe ?

Cheers !

Farmhand , i am very glad that you are so content with my inverter,
and especially with that another one with two mosfets !!!

[Farmhand]

Maybe it is better to scrap it from broken UPS. They contain very big transformer which should be more efficient. Replicating them or buy new would be expensive....

Yes you are right sucahyo, of course, that is a very good idea they are ready to go. And rated too.

Maybe these are transformers or choke's or one of each, i've asked before but no answers. That is a big UPS board. I'll find out when I need to.

http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pMIn0TGZXtNBC1GCXRv1ZXV2jmOQc3HkYqOv6vcicX2JYtOXMk8Ntv5LDMKJ58ag1GXyC7NhY9IDBybhhmQqtCA/Board%20003-1.png?psid=1

Yes the 230v is garanteed because you set the pulse width to give you that with the rated load of the transformer or componants. It can also be done some how with a feedback PW variation setup.

Anyway i'm going to do it soon, I already have bought inverters, I can sell those soon if I want too , they are in very good condition. Maybe i'll give them away.

Cheers all

P.S. Seems to me if we generate our own power that is stored in batteries or is DC we need to change it to AC at the voltage our conventional appliances need it. So if we can just add an appropriate inverter circuit to the ouput, we can then just plug in stuff. Maybe.