Stingo Solid State Battery Charger

[sucahyo]

@ sucahyo

I finally had some time & space to do a little testing
On top of my list I had the stingo circuit

Some kind of monster!

I haven't even tried to tweak it,
just picket a spot on each var-resistor and plugged it in;
man, this thing kills everything if your not prepared!



/Hob

Lol, becarefull, I kill 5 fan....

How can I use stingo to discharge batteries? Is there a way?

Just use it as source, control the discharge current with potentiometer. With self desulfator version, you can control how much you want to discharge the battery. No Auto shut off though.

Sucahyo, do you think that this concept of selfcharging is promising ?

It seems separate battery for input and output is better. Maybe even following Bedini advise to use two battery in series for load and source.

Like I mention before, it can be harder.

If so, do you know with what i could replace this hal sensor ?
And do you know the values of these resistors ?
And is this circuit usable without microcontroller since i saw
a long discussion between Toranarod and Caru about source code
and it is in correlation with this circuit, so i am not sure if it is
worth much effort if microcontroller is unevitable part for good
functioning of this circuit ?

Sorry, I don't knwo what circuit you refer too. But my principle is sharp pulse. With pulse at certain frequency.

I tried today bingo negative - positive mode charging small batteries and bingo destroyed a few batteries, it seems that there is much more voltage on the bingos output than on the stingos output...
Before i thought i can not use bingo in negative - positive mode,
but after i discovered i can use it i decided to make test, and i just
told you how it ended up, so do not try charging small batteries with
bingo...

Thanks for the info. That is why I prefer partial cap isolated FWBR to charge a battery, even if it has worse efficiency than single diode. Battery can become capacitor if charged with only radiant.

How do it destroyed? Overcharge or over discharge can destroy battery too.

[nilrehob]

I tried a few coils I had lying around.
The ones that performed the best where all air-core,
and especially my Brooks coil:



Multi layer air coil design and calculator

/Hob

[sucahyo]

I tried a few coils I had lying around.
The ones that performed the best where all air-core,
and especially my Brooks coil:



Multi layer air coil design and calculator

/Hob

Thanks for the link .

Thanks for the info. I also had similar experience on transformer with iron core. I have more voltage and sometimes more current without the core. If it is possible, I would like to try air core toroid, but so far still fail to make stingo work with air core toroid. Maybe the requirement for inductance is a bit high for stingo.

[sucahyo]

Purple flasher! and transistor killer.........

Here is a version of stingo that produce purple neon flashes. The important change is to put gemarnium diode between two coil in series, based on LaserSaber Joule Ringer idea. Both coil use same core. One on top of the other, but feel free to experiment with bifilar.

The circuit will lit the neon purple until the transistor break. The transistor I use is not important, I kill two transistor already lol.

YouTube - Stingo that produce neon purple



If you intend to replicate, prepare another hours winding the wire .........


Edit:
I found it impossible to measure the output voltage lol:
YouTube - Meter can be really unreliable measuring radiant circuit


Another report, I can run dead bulb sparkgap with car coil version of self desulfator stingo all night long (12 hours) with battery charge from 8.77V to 8.52V. Consume 80mA or so. Should be able to lit CFL at least dimly all night too.

[cikljamas]

Hi Sucahyo !
Thanks for your observation in "this is it thread" regarding bedini circuit...
I spent a lot of time today trying to figure out this circuit :

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7484&stc=1&d=1269214875

Could you maybe help me with posting one of yours tested bedini solid
state radiant charger schematic ?
I tried one similar circuit few months ago and it did not work also...

I remember i saw in this forum somewhere how you talk nice words
about bedini solid state, but i have been unsuccessful when ever i tried
to replicate this kind of bedini circuits...

Well to help you i must tell that instead of h11d1 i use 4n25, instead
of 2n3440 i use bux 85, and instead of mj 15024 i use 2n3055, although
i do not think that this substitutes for original components are guilty
for my failure...

So, since you must have been successful replicating this circuit i would
be grateful if you post here one of your tested bedini solid state schematic...

Thanks in advance !

Cheers !

P.S. You mentioned that bedini solid state radiant energy pump is going
to appear as commercial version on the market...do you have any idea
about PWM that is crucial part of that amazing stuff as it seems it is ?

You know, it is very strange feeling when you are making bunch of circuits which are derivations of bedini solid states circuits and in the same time be aware of not being successful so far in tries of replicating original one...
So, who is going to help me about this if not you ?

I can only imgine what great successful it would be if we were able to
replicate bedini solid state radiant energy pump but without knowing
PWM...but first of course i have to successfully replicate simpler bedini
solid state one...

[sucahyo]

Hi Sucahyo !
Thanks for your observation in "this is it thread" regarding bedini circuit...
I spent a lot of time today trying to figure out this circuit :

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7484&stc=1&d=1269214875

Could you maybe help me with posting one of yours tested bedini solid
state radiant charger schematic ?

Unfortunately, I never try that.

The principle is to pulse the cap, wait a while, then dump it to battery. The waiting part is important according to Bedini. On Bedini patent drawing, there should be delay between charging and dumping, because of the use of optocoupler. Optocoupler react in miliseconds. It is often mentioned that the commercial one is tuned down, meaning that we should do tuning to get OU.

I think ctglabs replication is different because it do not wait a while. May not work the same.


Ben have generously given me part required to replicate that circuit, so I will be replicating sooner or later. Although I may have to wait until I have scope.

Well to help you i must tell that instead of h11d1 i use 4n25, instead of 2n3440 i use bux 85, and instead of mj 15024 i use 2n3055, although i do not think that this substitutes for original components are guilty for my failure...

You still use mosfet? because you may need to change/remove some component if you use transistor instead of mosfet.

P.S. You mentioned that bedini solid state radiant energy pump is going to appear as commercial version on the market...do you have any idea about PWM that is crucial part of that amazing stuff as it seems it is ?

Those SG3524N chip are appear often on Bedini design. It seems Bedini trust that chip better than 555.

You know, it is very strange feeling when you are making bunch of circuits which are derivations of bedini solid states circuits and in the same time be aware of not being successful so far in tries of replicating original one...

The problem is we still do not know how to tune the device and what to do to tune it.

Bedini circuit need tuning. The first time I found stingo can reduce consumption on load on any condition, I am surprised. Sorry if this make you think that all bedini circuit are like that.....

But even with unconditional "resonant" (see gmeast comment on reduced input) stingo still need tuning too.

[cikljamas]

I am very, very surprised that you never tried to replicate bedinis solid
state chargers !!!
How is it possible ?
Even you, Brutus, you father of stingo ???

Cheers !

[kcarring]

If it is possible, I would like to try air core toroid, but so far still fail to make stingo work with air core toroid.

I wonder if you could find a Dog toy that would give you the hollow base in a polymer non-conductor.

[sucahyo]

I am very, very surprised that you never tried to replicate bedinis solid state chargers !!!
How is it possible ?
Even you, Brutus, you father of stingo ???

Cheers !

Mostly because of the component price.

The component requirement is a bit high and expensive too. I prefer not to toy with expensive component until I really know what I am doing.

Notice how many farad the capacitor are, and I don't think 250A pulse is a joke.

The circuit is rarely discussed. I am not aware if there are someone who try to replicate that circuit. The commercial product, fairly new lineup:
Renaissance Charge LLC Testimonials RC-2A12

I wonder if you could find a Dog toy that would give you the hollow base in a polymer non-conductor.

Toddler toy donut easier here. I have donut that work on timer driven version but do not work for stingo. Maybe because stingo require high inductance.

[cikljamas]

Hi, Sucahyo !
I played today with stingos and cfls, and this is the result :

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7486&stc=1&d=1269306546

Is it 1 A for 20 W bulb to much in your opinion ?
I compared stingo and one home made inverter and for the
same bulb stingo drains 1 A, and inverter drains 1,7 A...
1 : 0 for stingo (three stingo to be honest, but three stingos
are still stingos, am i right ? )

Cheers !

[7imix]

Hi, Sucahyo !
I played today with stingos and cfls, and this is the result :

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7486&stc=1&d=1269306546

Is it 1 A for 20 W bulb to much in your opinion ?
I compared stingo and one home made inverter and for the
same bulb stingo drains 1 A, and inverter drains 1,7 A...
1 : 0 for stingo (three stingo to be honest, but three stingos
are still stingos, am i right ? )

Cheers !

Thanks for inspiring me cikljamas. I plan on trying the stingo with some cfls too.

[sucahyo]

Hi, Sucahyo !
I played today with stingos and cfls, and this is the result :

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7486&stc=1&d=1269306546

Is it 1 A for 20 W bulb to much in your opinion ?
I compared stingo and one home made inverter and for the
same bulb stingo drains 1 A, and inverter drains 1,7 A...
1 : 0 for stingo (three stingo to be honest, but three stingos
are still stingos, am i right ? )

Cheers !

Wow, how do you do that? You power CFL without secondary HV? Did you use the filament?

1A is good enough . But I think you can still tune the circuit. I found that with high impedance output, the 500K pot may not be necessary.


Thank for the inverter information . That is really usefull .

[cikljamas]

Thanks for inspiring me cikljamas. I plan on trying the stingo with some cfls too.

Please read below words !

Wow, how do you do that? You power CFL without secondary HV? Did you use the filament?

Good noticed !...Sorry guys, i just left out of the cadre/framework my
220/12 0 12 toroid transformer, but you could use solenoid too, and i
think that even better results you can get with 220/ 9 0 9 transformers...

Thank for the inverter information . That is really usefull .

If you need specific informations about that inverter i will provide it
for you since i am very satisfied with these (i made two of them-same
kind, just two pieces) inverters...I bought one in the store (300 W) with
fan but that inverter (from the store) just drains too much power from
the battery, if you ever decide to buy one, i suggest you to buy 150 W,
instead of 300 W, or more in case that you need inverters for ordinary
purposes...

Thank for the inverter information . That is really usefull .

You are welcome !

If i find enough time (Farmhand disturbed me with one amazing proposal
in "this is it" thread) i am going to try one of yours proposal too : two
tip 32 and one tip 31 stingo (do you remember that proposal ?)...

Cheers !

[sucahyo]

Good noticed !...Sorry guys, i just left out of the cadre/framework my 220/12 0 12 toroid transformer, but you could use solenoid too, and i think that even better results you can get with 220/ 9 0 9 transformers...

You mean you put the 12V-12V part of a 220V/12V CT transformer as load?

That is still amazing .

If you need specific informations about that inverter i will provide it for you since i am very satisfied with these (i made two of them-same kind, just two pieces) inverters...I bought one in the store (300 W) with fan but that inverter (from the store) just drains too much power from the battery, if you ever decide to buy one, i suggest you to buy 150 W, instead of 300 W, or more in case that you need inverters for ordinary
purposes...

Thanks Sooner or later I would need an inverter .

The comparison of consumption is really helpfull since it means that we end up doing better eliminating inverter . Might as well convert the electronics in our house to DC if we use solar battery lol.

If i find enough time (Farmhand disturbed me with one amazing proposal in "this is it" thread) i am going to try one of yours proposal too : two tip 32 and one tip 31 stingo (do you remember that proposal ?)...

Yes .

I currently use it to spin harddisk, to see how long it can run. A broken battery power it for about three hours, so I think it is good.


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[Farmhand]

cikljamas, These inverters sound very good, can you give me some specific informations about these. Do you mean you made a couple of 12v to 220v inverters. I am very interested in that.

If you need specific informations about that inverter i will provide it
for you since i am very satisfied with these (i made two of them-same
kind, just two pieces) inverters...I bought one in the store (300 W) with
fan but that inverter (from the store) just drains too much power from
the battery, if you ever decide to buy one, i suggest you to buy 150 W,
instead of 300 W, or more in case that you need inverters for ordinary
purposes...

Cheers