Multifilar Generator Coil - Lenz delay Experiments

[NROC]

Hi NROC,


What I teach and talk about here, call it conventional science and commercial technology, has been responsible in large part for the modern civilization which you enjoy through the economical, reliable, efficient electromechanical energy conversion and distribution for the past 200 years or so. There are billions of verifiable examples. So show me a single verifiable practical system producing useful work using the Turion method. There are none. Maybe he can rejuvenate a deteriorated battery or get a rotor to increase RPM a few percent, but these are peculiarities and irrelevant to meaningful energy conversion or production.

Do you have a multifilar wound generator running in excess of 100%? Do you have a 3BGS with which you can verify input and output power and energy? Does anybody? Show me proof, please.

Regards,

bi

No one is questioning how far technology has got civilisation so far lol of course it has helped us. Peculiarites does not mean they aren't worth investigating and in fact they are the things that normally lead to discoveries.

A researcher takes those peculiarities and exaggerates them to do something useful and that is what has been done. No one is going to show you a working prototype because you are not entitled to it. No one owes you a thing. The ones that build, spend lots of time and money to get there are entitled to it.

Do i have a multifilar generator no.
Do i have a 3bgs that works yes.
Do i have a tesla switch that works yes.
Have i gone further than all of those things - yes, and so have Matt and Dave

No one will show you bi, because you either try an experiment once and give up after it failed and then lead others down the wrong route or you don't follow instructions properly. You dont custom build anything to get results either you just want off the shelf stuff to work for you and that is not always the case.

Bi, look, I know your a troll and to be honest I sometimes think it's nice to just feed a troll a little bit lol.

[bistander]

Truth vs B.S.

I only come on here every now and again because this forum is, bar a few threads, mostly full of garbage and people who don't know what they are talking about talking like they do. Then you have the people who make money off of the kits and BS books they sell with no real information lol and honestly most of it is utter crap, bar a few notable mentions, babcock, murray and maybe dollard.

Dave is one of the people who does know what he is talking about. He is one of the only ones who has given away his information freely in the hopes people would just build it and see. He didn't delete his posts because its all junk its because that information is valuable as hell and I cant for the life of me understand why people havent built 3 battery generating systems left and right.

If Aaron puts his posts back up then that's fair enough. The stuff has been out there for atleast 10 years now and still no one has really come along and caught up to what people like Dave and Matt have done. There are some of us who are working behind the scenes to make sure this stuff eventually ends up in your home. If people just end up listening to bistander then good luck to you lol but if you actually want to find out something about electricity and how it really works then listen to Dave.

Hi NROC,

There are some of us who are working behind the scenes to make sure this stuff eventually ends up in your home. If people just end up listening to bistander then good luck to you lol but if you actually want to find out something about electricity and how it really works then listen to Dave.

What I teach and talk about here, call it conventional science and commercial technology, has been responsible in large part for the modern civilization which you enjoy through the economical, reliable, efficient electromechanical energy conversion and distribution for the past 200 years or so. There are billions of verifiable examples. So show me a single verifiable practical system producing useful work using the Turion method. There are none. Maybe he can rejuvenate a deteriorated battery or get a rotor to increase RPM a few percent, but these are peculiarities and irrelevant to meaningful energy conversion or production.

Do you have a multifilar wound generator running in excess of 100%? Do you have a 3BGS with which you can verify input and output power and energy? Does anybody? Show me proof, please.

Regards,

bi

[NROC]

Deletions

I only come on here every now and again because this forum is, bar a few threads, mostly full of garbage and people who don't know what they are talking about talking like they do. Then you have the people who make money off of the kits and BS books they sell with no real information lol and honestly most of it is utter crap, bar a few notable mentions, babcock, murray and maybe dollard.

Dave is one of the people who does know what he is talking about. He is one of the only ones who has given away his information freely in the hopes people would just build it and see. He didn't delete his posts because its all junk its because that information is valuable as hell and I cant for the life of me understand why people havent built 3 battery generating systems left and right.

If Aaron puts his posts back up then that's fair enough. The stuff has been out there for atleast 10 years now and still no one has really come along and caught up to what people like Dave and Matt have done. There are some of us who are working behind the scenes to make sure this stuff eventually ends up in your home. If people just end up listening to bistander then good luck to you lol but if you actually want to find out something about electricity and how it really works then listen to Dave.

[BroMikey]

Our generators are anywhere from 1000 percent --- 3000 percent.

In your dreams,maybe.
I think you'll do well to get to 80%.

That is correct, A DREAM COME TRUE I see you have not been listening
and watching the proofs. Night night, keep yawning. Your dream state.

Well any way you put in 300watts and Boom out comes 2000 watts
what is that in COP? Somewhere way up over your head.

[Quantum_well]

Our generators are anywhere from 1000 percent --- 3000 percent.

In your dreams,maybe.
I think you'll do well to get to 80%.

[BroMikey]

https://turbopowersystems.com/produc...et-generators/

Aim for the sky!

Our generators are anywhere from 1000 percent --- 3000 percent
efficient. Now there is your sky limit. .98 output? Lame.

[Quantum_well]

https://turbopowersystems.com/products-applications/energy/high-speed-permanent-magnet-generators/

Aim for the sky!

[BroMikey]

Aaron was a bit upset with me that I deleted my posts, so I believe
he going to put them all back. So I won't be deleting anymore.

Yeah I was mad too, years and years of blood sweat and tears gone up
in smoke in 1 minute. We need time to digest the info as a collective.
Keep it all right there don't listen to the other voices that say your
work is meaningless. You are the greatest for many reasons.

1 Bench work not all mouth

2 Well educated

3 Good public relations skills

4 Persistent knowing that others need time to hear the repeats.

The list is so long. That is why you have made it nearly 10 years

Oh you have your moments like any man, we all get over. Think of
it like this. Whatever you are like today is what you will be like
tomorrow and based on this observation a persons trajectory can
be determined. It's still prime time.

[Turion]

procedure

Anyone who wants to understand what is going on with these kinds of coils.

1.Wind a coil with a single strand of ANY size wire and keep adding length until it speeds up under load. I would recommend adding a 100 feet at a time. Make sure you measure it as you do it. When the coil is big enough it WILL speed up under load, no matter the rpm or the number of magnets on the rotor. But you might have to wind a heck of a BIG coil to see it happen. I would recommend adding a 100 feet at a time. When it finally speeds up, start cutting off 10 foot lengths until it no longer speeds up under load. When it stops speeding up under load, add 2 foot lengths until it starts speeding up again. Now you are within a couple feet "perfect"

2.Then unwind the coil, cut the wire in half, and rewind with only two strands in parallel and connect them in series. Now start cutting pieces off in 2 foot lengths until the coil no longer speeds up under load. (Each cut will remove 4 feet of wire...two feet on each strand. This will prove to you that two wires in parallel and connected in series have more capacitance, and what Tesla says is true. Otherwise as soon as you cut off a couple feet it would longer speed up under load.

3.Now unwind the coil, cut the two strands in half, and rewind the coil with four strands in parallel and connect them in series. If the coil speeds up under load NOW, then whatI have said is true, because you already shortened it so it would NOT speed up under load in step two when you cut some off the two strands.

Or if you are LAZY, skip step #1, and just wind a coil with two strands until it speeds up under load, and then follow the directions in step two.

bi,
Aaron was a bit upset with me that I deleted my posts, so I believe he going to put them all back. So I won't be deleting anymore.

[bistander]

Multifilar

alexelectric,
You already understand the answer. 2800 RPM was for six magnets on the rotor. I already KNOW that with 12 magnets on the rotor it would speed up under load at a LOWER RPM. I just don't know HOW low because I never reduced the input to the motor with any kind of motor controller. I DO remember seeing speed up under load at around 1800 RPM one time, but I don't remember the coil configuration at that time. I tested a LOT of coils of different sizes and different sized wire.

So adding more magnets allows the effect at a lower speed. So will more wire. LONGER wires would change capacitance, but not as economically as more strands in parallel and connected in series. Despite the fact that UNINFORMED people (bistander) believe that more than two wires makes NO difference, others here have PROVEN that they can't even GET the speed up under load effect without several wires in parallel connected in series. You would be better served by not listening to ANYONE who has not demonstrated that they have actually BUILT one of these coils and DONE the experiments.

I have NO idea how low you can go with RPM. You have to remember that lower RPM will dramatically lower your output, but the MASS of your magnets and the number of magnets and the mass of your coil wire will push that number back up. Sooooooo much research to be done.
Dave

Hi Turion,

How long before you delete these posts?

Misquoting me again. I never said "NO difference". Rarely can you make changes which result in no difference. Without finding our previous (half) discussion, I believe what I said was more than two reduces substantially, and can essentially eliminate the effect Tesla sought with his bifilar coil. Ever wonder why Tesla never mentioned trifilar, quadfilar, or multifilar? Or bother claiming such in his patent?

But it is a moot point because none of this affects, in a positive significant manner, generator performance at the voltage and frequencies involved.

Regards,

bi

[Turion]

Answer

alexelectric,
You already understand the answer. 2800 RPM was for six magnets on the rotor. I already KNOW that with 12 magnets on the rotor it would speed up under load at a LOWER RPM. I just don't know HOW low because I never reduced the input to the motor with any kind of motor controller. I DO remember seeing speed up under load at around 1800 RPM one time, but I don't remember the coil configuration at that time. I tested a LOT of coils of different sizes and different sized wire.

So adding more magnets allows the effect at a lower speed. So will more wire. LONGER wires would change capacitance, but not as economically as more strands in parallel and connected in series. Despite the fact that UNINFORMED people (bistander) believe that more than two wires makes NO difference, others here have PROVEN that they can't even GET the speed up under load effect without several wires in parallel connected in series. You would be better served by not listening to ANYONE who has not demonstrated that they have actually BUILT one of these coils and DONE the experiments.

I have NO idea how low you can go with RPM. You have to remember that lower RPM will dramatically lower your output, but the MASS of your magnets and the number of magnets and the mass of your coil wire will push that number back up. Sooooooo much research to be done.
Dave

[alexelectric]

Yes of course Mr. Turion, the 2800 rpm are what you have been proposing and as a basis I take them.
Of course one can change the conditions and there are changes.
* more magnets more magnetic flux to induce
* more revolutions more magnetic flux to induce
* increases coils there is an increase in generation

What I take into account, Mr. Turion, if the induction and the approach and the lowering of the lenz, is given by the form of the series-parallel multi-wire coil, since in the generation of energy, if it leaves the rpm that is generating the objective is no longer met, if at 2800 rpm it is generating and the speed rises, so that it will re-enter resonance it will be at an already higher speed.
and thank you Mr. Turion, for giving already proven data of your experiences, this serves to guide us in the projects.
With a coil that I try to replicate Mr. Turion and give me the expected results, it would help me to assess where I would go, because I want generation at a lower speed, but I would have to increase the magnets, the threads of the coils, but it is advanced and learned.
Thank you

[BroMikey]

x 12 coils is 2340 watts.

I have always said between 1,800-2,000 watts output, but that is dependent on the rpm. Higher rpm gives more output.

And the numbers I quoted for my machine were for:
A rotor turning at 2800 rpm
With six 2" by 1/4" magnets on the rotor
12 coils

With six 1" by 1/4 inch magnets I got 75 % of that output
With twelve 1" by 1/4 magnets I got 150%
With twelve 1" by 1/2" magnets, which is what I have NOW, I never got final numbers. But I would bet the output is pretty good. And you can run it on higher RPM if you want more output.

To cool, that is alot of data compressed over time. I am so glad to have it. Hope your day went well.

[Turion]

Totals

x 12 coils is 2340 watts.

I have always said between 1,800-2,000 watts output, but that is dependent on the rpm. Higher rpm gives more output.

And the numbers I quoted for my machine were for:
A rotor turning at 2800 rpm
With six 2" by 1/4" magnets on the rotor
12 coils

With six 1" by 1/4 inch magnets I got 75 % of that output
With twelve 1" by 1/4 magnets I got 150%
With twelve 1" by 1/2" magnets, which is what I have NOW, I never got final numbers. But I would bet the output is pretty good. And you can run it on higher RPM if you want more output.

[BroMikey]

Look at the chart for awg power transmission current capacity. It
shows a max rating of .729 amps or 729ma. This is the size wire
Dave has used for years yet he only takes 500ma per strand X 3=
1500ma per coil X 130vols = 195watts of light bulb blowing genius.

Do the math