Multifilar Generator Coil - Lenz delay Experiments

[bistander]

Who cares?

Maybe the folks building to your instructions care.

[bistander]

Multifilar

Clues in his quote from the patent which you posted and from known physics of capacitance, going "multi", more than 2 which is bifilar, is counterproductive, or in other words, yields less energy storage in capacitance than a bifilar coil of equivalent turns and resistance.

Regards,

bi

[bistander]

Bifilar coils

Tesla Patent 512,340

The basis for everything I have done with these coils I wind. Also predates Thane Heins by a year or two, and is in the public domain. Free for everyone who understands what it means and how to apply it to BOTH motors and generators. Which I have done.

Yes Turion, l read that before. He speaks of only bifilar winding, and the standard monofilar. He says nothing about, 3, 4, 5, ... multi beyond 2, the bifilar. My question is: where, or why use multi, or more than 2, bifilar? It does not appear N. Tesla teaches that.

Regards,

bi

[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, Hi turion, thanks for the guidance, maybe I will do 24 then.
If the coil becomes too much, I will just make a bigger coil former.

Hi bromikey, thanks for engouraging words, yes, I will be testing that 51 strand - 30awg. coil also with this setup.

I have 3 strands wound so far, had some wire tangle issues I needed to work out, steady as she goes.
peace love light

[bistander]

Coil design

... When you measure the ohms of the coil they only differ by .2 ohms, yet the ones with 5.5 ohms will NOT speed up under load where the one with 5.6 ohms WILL at 2800 rpm with my rotor, and so will then with 5.7 ohms. The devil is in the details. I have learned a lot of crap about this the hard way, and I HATE winding coils.

A percent or two resistance could be caused by difference in winding tension which can actually stretch small gauge copper wire reducing its diameter increasing its resistance.

Also, temperature has a large influence on copper resistivity. Variation in ambient from morning to afternoon can easily account for several percent change in resistance.

A coil's resistance will often be 30 to 40% higher at temperature associated with rated load operation versus cold ambient room temperature. All this fuss adjusting coil parameters at room temperature won't apply at working conditions, will it?

While I'm on the subject, I read over some of N. Tesla's work on bifilar coils. But I could not easily find instance where he addressed multi-filar, meaning more than the two conductors side-by-side in the coil. Can anybody provide a reference for me?

Regards,

bi

[BroMikey]

Hi all, Hi bromikey, thanks for the helpful information.

Been working out the bugs of my coil maker, it's going good though, just takes more time this way.
I may just go to 12 strands at the 125 feet length per strand.

Then once I get everything together and running, we can see how it goes and if it needs more strands, I can always add them with this coil making method I'm using.

peace love light

I do that all the time, get going on a build then stop to work on tools
So your last coil was 2000 ft and 12 X 125 ft = 1500? maybe not enough
but remember what Turion is always talking 2800 rpm and 3 channels
of 1000 feet each. Okay? So if you are targeting a slower speed and the
bobbin just won't hold 3000 ft probably should not go below the number
of feet the first one you made has and still it is 1 channel. That's fine I say
because your rotor is little so the speed of the magnets are slower.

You are improving your skills all of the way around. I don't see why you
shouldn't to able to reach the null point easier with the geometry that
gets tighter tolerances. Like I said 3/16' gap did not do much even with
strong magnets.

Didn't you say 51 strands 40 feet long? And you reached the null? Right?

[spacecase0]

if it matters, when you look at the math and what matters the most,
as far as coils,
it is the numbers of turns that count,
not number of feet, not the resistance
resistance matters a bit, but only in how many amps you push through it.
so, to sum up, turns and amps matter, and how close the turns are to each other matters third

[BroMikey]

I have not got that far to understand that the same number of feet
comes out to a higher ohm measurement but maybe you don't mean
that.

So 24 strands conneted in series does not have the same ohms as 3 strands
connected in series of the same number of feet?

[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, Hi bromikey, thanks for the helpful information.

Been working out the bugs of my coil maker, it's going good though, just takes more time this way.
I may just go to 12 strands at the 125 feet length per strand.

Then once I get everything together and running, we can see how it goes and if it needs more strands, I can always add them with this coil making method I'm using.

peace love light

[BroMikey]

Hi all

Not sure my coil bobbin will fit 24 strands,

ANSWER

http://flyer.thenetteam.net/3batterygen/spoolsize1.jpg

[alexelectric]

ok

[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, Hi alexelectric, all strands will be wound parallel to each other, I'm just using a winding method of, one at a time, which is a slow way for the moment.

Meaning, I place the measured out 125 feet spool of wire on top of other spool, then wind the top and bottom together and we now have a 2 strand coil.

Then, place that 2 strand spool on top and wind top and bottom together, onto another empty spool and we now have a 3 strand coil spool.
peace love light

[alexelectric]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs9k-iMjjsE

The first

342/5000
the videos of
MrAnguswangus
They had a whole series of consecutive projects and tests, they are interesting as it went with different configurations,
but has time that has not been updated
what happened
someone knows
or have a new channel
I thank MrAnguswangus for his videos, which guided us to better understand the generation of energy

[alexelectric]

Hi all, thanks for sharing bromikey.
Hi turion, thanks for the video link, yes I've seen that before, good video.

I've built the multistrand coil maker setup and made a first strand of 130 feet of 24awg. magnet wire.
Will then use that strand to wind each further, consecutive strand together.

Not sure my coil bobbin will fit 24 strands, will see how it goes, can always make the bobbin wider.
peace love light

good information of your advances, a question that the wire strands are not wrapped at the same time in parallel, and then connected in series, can comment on those who know to guide me.
thanks and congratulations, well-deserved effort for your contributions

[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, thanks for sharing bromikey.
Hi turion, thanks for the video link, yes I've seen that before, good video.

I've built the multistrand coil maker setup and made a first strand of 130 feet of 24awg. magnet wire.
Will then use that strand to wind each further, consecutive strand together.

Not sure my coil bobbin will fit 24 strands, will see how it goes, can always make the bobbin wider.
peace love light