ENLIGHTENED MAGNETISM (The Full Proof of Ken Wheeler's Theories)

[bistander]

No motion

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A magnet is not a perpetual motion device. Yet this is what you've maintained with the most absurd explanations, stating that an electric charge "somehow" results in a static field which maintains itself ~ forever~...

I've never said or implied a magnet or a magnetic field is perpetual motion. In fact, my contention is that there is no motion in the static magnetic field, above the atomic level. As far as perpetual, maybe. I had a magnet stuck to the side of my refrigerator for over 20 years until I sent the appliance to recycling. There are PM motors in 60 year old cars which still function. Magnetic fields perpetual? Don't know, but seemingly able to be static and stable for long perionds, likely centuries.

You notice in my first reply to your posted video I used the analogy to gravity. Can a static gravitational field be perpetual?

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You ignored the fact that the Bayles material shows that a magnetic field is not a static field. You ignored the material showing this field is a medium which corroborates Ufopolitics and Kens notions. You ignored the information and which says a magnetic field is a moving, flowing medium, and capable of acting independent of the originating source, just as a vortex of air may act independent; you ignored all that along with the profound implications this information carries. You ignored me when I pointed this out previously. Yet you say you're addressing the material huh?...

I didn't ignore anything of the like. In fact I asked you for clarification on the Bayles paper which you never got around to. Disagreeing with and providing arguments to material or theories isn't ignoring them. If I was ignoring them I'd be silent. What benefit has all this fantasy magnetism provided? The classic science in which I believe has illuminated and enlightened the world providing the means for you to insult me.

bi

[Gambeir]

I hope you notice that I post information related to the topic. You post opinions of me.

bi

You don't discuss anything bistander: You say others are wrong while handing out a conventional explanation as proof and while insulting their observations and belittling their contributions, and while ignoring anything which conflicts with your own explanations, all of which are drawn from conventional notions about the way things work.

You ignored the fact that the Bayles material shows that a magnetic field is not a static field. You ignored the material showing this field is a medium which corroborates Ufopolitics and Kens notions. You ignored the information and which says a magnetic field is a moving, flowing medium, and capable of acting independent of the originating source, just as a vortex of air may act independent; you ignored all that along with the profound implications this information carries. You ignored me when I pointed this out previously. Yet you say you're addressing the material huh?

I'm incensed by your manners and lack of morals. We are trying to raise humanity up, but you seem to be on the opposite side of this goal and bent on the reverse. Join the human race or leave it but stop pretending you're addressing the facts.

[Gambeir]

I hope you notice that I post information related to the topic. You post opinions of me.

bi

No you don't, you just think you do, hence the reason I'm now telling you what your character is like. Wake up and smell the coffee.

A magnet is not a perpetual motion device. Yet this is what you've maintained with the most absurd explanations, stating that an electric charge "somehow" results in a static field which maintains itself ~ forever~

You continue to deny visible facts and insist that what we can all visibly see for ourselves with the video I posted is not actually happening. In other words, you are inventing a magical explanation over addressing the fact that you're wrong.

I have no idea what you think is transpiring inside a magnet. Whatever you've offered in that area, if anything, is so illogical and disjointed that I have no memory of what it might have even been. A strong indicator that whatever it was, if anything at all, must be wrong just because it's so wacko that it cannot even be logically retained.

You're entitled to your opinions, but that's all they are. What you think are proofs are now shown to be mistaken opinions by new data. What you've offered as some sort of conclusive proofs are mistaken ideas born long ago and out of date. Yet you continue to deny anyone else's work has any value, ignoring ever bit of material I myself have offered, as well as belittling it and insulting everyone with bombastic bull****. I mean to say you see nothing in the Jerry Bayles PDF say's more and is a greater insult than any bombastic personal insults I can invent, and I'm pretty well versed in farm language, so you've done that yourself: I didn't do it, you did it.

Since that is obvious to everyone else and it is extremely annoying to have to listen to your idiocy, then I've no other recourse but to treat you in the same manner, and as you're as dense as a brick it's now only possible to gain your attention with personal insults, which however well deserved, are not what I or anyone else desires, but it is really your objective to wreck everything here on this forum. To disrupt any kind of real understanding. You don't discuss, you insult, you offer petrified opinions, and in my opinion you're an evil we can all do without.

There's no place I have seen anywhere that you've done anything but to disrupt, to deny, and to do all that is possible to destroy original ideas. I'm seriously beginning to wonder whose payroll you're on.

[bistander]

What a guy

Oh please, pretending to ask questions followed by posting ready made solutions only proves you've no interest at all in doing anything here but causing trouble.

Pretend to ask , then find ready made solutions and existing answers. How much more phony can you get? Anyone can do what you're just managed to accomplish. It's a play out of the disinfo book.

You ignored everything which you couldn't explain with data pulled from wikipedia, or some other ready made source. Laughably showing you have no clue what's happening since the data is in wikipedia in a round about way.

Nobody cares what you have to say. I don't and doubt many others do, for it's never inventive, creative, helpful, thoughtful, or kind. Your responses are almost always nothing more than a eyesore full of claptrap contrived to picture everything from anyone else as wrong, simple minded, and dubious.

You're posts are nothing more than an ill mannered corruption of malignant dismissive claptrap blathered for self aggrandizement. One merely has to look the nonsense you've just posted. The worst part is that you're like a perfect example of the worst kind self appointed teacher, one you cannot escape from evidently, and because no one here has had sense enough to ban you from the entire site.

I hope you notice that I post information related to the topic. You post opinions of me.

bi

[Gambeir]

Hello Gambeir,

Here are a few interesting answers to a question.

Oh please, pretending to ask questions followed by posting ready made solutions only proves you've no interest at all in doing anything here but causing trouble.

Pretend to ask , then find ready made solutions and existing answers. How much more phony can you get? Anyone can do what you're just managed to accomplish. It's a play out of the disinfo book.

You ignored everything which you couldn't explain with data pulled from wikipedia, or some other ready made source. Laughably showing you have no clue what's happening since the data is in wikipedia in a round about way.

Nobody cares what you have to say. I don't and doubt many others do, for it's never inventive, creative, helpful, thoughtful, or kind. Your responses are almost always nothing more than a eyesore full of claptrap contrived to picture everything from anyone else as wrong, simple minded, and dubious.

You're posts are nothing more than an ill mannered corruption of malignant dismissive claptrap blathered for self aggrandizement. One merely has to look the nonsense you've just posted. The worst part is that you're like a perfect example of the worst kind self appointed teacher, one you cannot escape from evidently, and because no one here has had sense enough to ban you from the entire site.

[bistander]

Static fields

Hello Gambeir,

Here are a few interesting answers to a question.

Above quotes from: https://www.quora.com/Does-a-static-...magnetic-field

When the fellow doing your experiment bought the magnet, it came with the magnetic field (static, nonmoving relative to the magnet). He then places the magnet, and its static field into the tank. The magnetic field in and around the magnet may have been altered slightly due to the metal at the base and the permeability of the liquid, but is again static. Once charges begin to move in the static magnetic field, Lorentz forces are imparted on those charges. The charges had an initial motion upwards and the magnetic field causes a circular motion, together appearing as a upward moving helix.

Of course there is a reaction force on the magnetic field and hence the magnet, but the friction at the magnet base prevents counter-rotation of the magnet. This is no different than a motor having a permanent magnet frame (stator) and a wound armature (rotor). The magnets in the frame establish a static magnetic field in which the armature carries charges as current, perpendicular to the field. The resulting forces on the moving charges cause the torque, relative rotor to stator. That's why the motor stator will have a flange or mounting bracket; to keep the magnetic field static (stationary).

So what you witness in the experiment is simple electric motor action.

When a charged particle moves in a static magnetic field, it traces a helical path in which the helix axis is parallel to the magnetic field, and in which the speed of the .

From Wikipedia, magnetic field.
From:

https://www.icnirp.org/en/frequencies/static-magnetic-fields-0-hz/index.html

MRI scanners use static magnetic fields
Credit: Kasuga Huang
A magnetic field is a force field created by a magnet or as a consequence of the movement of the charges (flow of electricity). The magnitude (intensity) of a magnetic field is usually measured in Tesla (T or mT).

Static magnetic fields do not vary over time, and as such do not have a frequency (0 Hz). Examples are the fields generated by a permanent magnet or the Earth’s magnetic field.

From: Electromagnetic Fields: 8. Static magnetic fields like those used in medical imaging

Regards,

bi

[Gambeir]

At a quick review, I see nothing there which refutes my contentions about the experiment. Perhaps you could pull out the specific passages or equations for us.

Regards,

bi

There is nothing solid about anything which you can stick your hand through. That's about as simple and fundamental as it gets. You want me to believe that electrons leap about, but not magnetism? You want me to listen to the laws of Issac Newton but somehow use perverted logic to reason out that the magnetic field isn't a product of reactionary forces? Get your science down is what I say. It's one way or the other, but it's not any old way that happens to suit you at the moment, because that's not science it's mumbo jumbo.

Whatever the magnetic field is, it is not a solid object, but this is what you're maintaining. You refuse to acknowledge that this a medium like air or water is a medium, and yet again all available evidence says this is what it is. It's not a brick wall or wire ball, it's a medium and an energy field is a medium.

As a medium it is flexible and capable of moving, and since it's being created out the immediate space around us, it is therefore a natural state of nature which must exist all around us and the air around is also a medium.

All available evidence shows that this substance can be condensed out of the immediate space by using two known methods, one being electrical interaction through a suitable conductor, and the other by natural forms of crystalline structures, both of which result in a magnetic field and both of which appear to follow basic laws of physics. That is, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

For the magnetic field to form and to spontaneously sprout forth from either a natural or man made magnet it must be explained by moving energy being formed out of our immediate surroundings. This is the same thing we do with other known gases and that is to condense them out of the immediate space around us. This is all a magnet is doing as well, it is a crystalline formation whose qualities of matter are conducive to the production of a magnetic field. That's the very foundation of a magnet. Obviously the organization of the crystalline lattice bonds form some kind of gateway through which energies pass that form a magnetic field. This is not a difficult process to imagine happening, it's not unlike air passing through a windmill, it's just another form of energy passing through a structure which resulting in a reaction, that reaction being a magnetic field.

If the magnetic field were purely the product of electrical interactions it would cease to exist without them otherwise you have a fundamental violation of basic laws of physics going on, but disregarding this angle it's already established that the magnetic field becomes a functional medium independent of the space which it was born from and behaving as though it were akin to oil in water and maintaining a separate space to itself. That is the action of a medium and a condensed matter.

There is no other possible way to explain this field forming, and once formed it behaves as a medium able to flow and move on it's own independent of the space around it and independent of the methods which created it.

Whether or not this condensed material we call magnetism is taken back up or dissolves back to the surroundings it was condensed out of is unknown to me, and probably everyone else, but it does exist and move about as a condensed medium for some unknown period of time. This has now been repeatedly stated by various researchers.

The fact that the magnetic field is doing this, capable of doing this, shows it is not like electrical energy, it is clearly not fixed, and it's movements show it is more like a fluid. It is clear that we do not understand what it is. We only seem to understand how to create it, and we only seem to have some rather vague ideas about how to control it, and virtually no one has evidently ever considered monitoring the local environment for what now appears to reasonable notions that various blobs of magnetic flux may be wandering about disrupting this, that, or the other thing. Like say perhaps causing some poorly thought out vehicles to lose control, or to have their accelerators go haywire, or any other number of relatively unexplained disasters.

Hence the reason I'm pissed off at your refusal to advance with everyone else to a new awareness about the state of nature you're actually living in.

[Markoul]

Is really Earth's magnetic field a magnetic dipole field?

This thread has become so much intensive!

Let's levitate the tension with some brain twister question.

Is really Earth's magnetic field a magnetic dipole field?
Simple question, as the magnetic dipole field of the Earth is generated by its center molten core dynamo effect the magnetic poles field is projected towards the extreme North and South geographical locations with some declination from the central axis.
While I am on a North hemisphere location (excluding the extreme pole locations) North magnetic pole half of the compass needle is attracted towards Earth's magnetic South pole thus Geographic North.
As I am now moving on the opposite direction towards geographic South pole thus the Earth's magnetic North pole, moving across the equator and continuing, at some point and after, attraction of of the Earth's south geographical North magnetic pole should become stronger than attraction of the geographic North South magnetic pole and the compass should flip. The same also should hold true vice versa when moving from south hemisphere to the North hemisphere.
However in both cases this is not happening and compass shows steadily without flipping the N-S Earth's magnetic axis.
video demonstration:

https://youtu.be/ED1wR59W-V8

Why?

Is really Earth's magnetic field a magnetic dipole field?

EM

[bistander]

Flying saucer field theory

http://www.electrogravity.com/AVCFor...fugalForce.pdf

At a quick review, I see nothing there which refutes my contentions about the experiment. Perhaps you could pull out the specific passages or equations for us.

Regards,

bi

[bistander]

Fe

Hello Bistander,

Because the iron strictly aligns with iron, FERROMAGNETIC to FERROMAGNETIC, simple.

Iron is NOT PART of a Magnetic Field, iron only serves to amplify field.

Magnetic Fields EXIST without iron.
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Of course magnetic fields exist without iron. But they exist with iron in them, or in iron also. Iron will become part of the magnetic circuit, or path, and can alter the magnetic field.

Will not a single sliver of iron align with the magnetic field showing it is not only "FERROMAGNETIC to FERROMAGNETIC"?

Regards,

bi

[Ufopolitics]

Why is it so difficult to believe the compass needle or sliver of iron aligns to the magnetic field? Isn't that supposed to happen? Why don't those compass needles point East and West?

Regards,

bi

Hello Bistander,

Because the iron strictly aligns with iron, FERROMAGNETIC to FERROMAGNETIC, simple.

Iron is NOT PART of a Magnetic Field, iron only serves to amplify field.

Magnetic Fields EXIST without iron.

Needle compasses align with the STRONGEST ENDS of the Magnetic Field...or the POLES...strictly NORTH-SOUTH.

EAST-WEST do not exist...man made fabrications to be used as fake, relative geographical coordinates, based on planetary and Sun rotations...

EAST-WEST are not magnetic polarizations...they are not poles...an invention.

Why when you sprinkle copper powder or aluminum over a magnetic field nothing happens...no "field shape"?

Regards



Ufopolitics

[Gambeir]

Charges do not follow magnetic fields. Nor are charges attracted to magnetic fields. Moving charges react to magnetic fields with a force (and motion unless constrained) which is perpendicular to both the field vector and velocity of the charge. See Lorentz.

bi

ps. Your flying saucers will have a better chance of liftoff if you actually understand magnetics.

Nobody expects me to know half what I have put together. I've never claimed to be what you have. I'm not claiming to be any kind of expert in this field; you're the one claiming to understand how things work, but the issue is that what you've claimed isn't working to explain observed phenomena and that's the rub you're not getting.

Here you now want me to believe your ideas about magnetism, which are as ridiculous as they are illogical, but I'll give you the benefit of doubt anyways, and so now you go on to say that if only I understood these (failed) ideas, then perhaps I could make a successful flying saucer.

Now how's that logical? If you're the self proclaimed geyser of knowledge in this arena, then you're the one who's supposed to explain the disturbing Black Triangle Voyeurs seen the world over. I'm only here because your science can't and isn't doing that. Yet again I'm now opening the front door to the house and having the experience of full frontal exposure with one parked over the house and so now I'm here seeking some logical explanations.

You've been about as helpful in this area as radiation treatment is to a stage four cancer patient: Thanks so much.

I'm not the one who needs to start explaining things logically. You're the one that needs to do that, which you're not doing when you're still claiming expertise in this whole topic. You claim to know and understand yet can do nothing to explain or help anyone with anything other than basic home wiring which is probably where your petrified ideas might best serve others.

[Gambeir]

The problem with your explanations are they don't explain observed facts, they ignore known data, and the preponderance of evidence shows you're mistaken about what creates magnetism as well as how it behaves.

There is nothing else known that remotely suggests anything like you've said could possibly exist. You are the one living in a delusional state of mind. All evidence refutes your absurd hypothesis about a fixed static field and yet you are evidently clueless to that fact. Your absurd explanation shows your knowledge base is blindly narrow and based on outdated knowledge.

The magnetic field is a flexible medium. A magnetic field is the product of energies flowing through some type of a gate. The magnetic field is capable of independent action.

http://www.electrogravity.com/AVCForce/AtomicVectoredCentrifugalForce.pdf

[bistander]

Lorenz force

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The carrier ... It is following the magnetic field, not creating it. It is and can only follow the magnetic field. ... Quite the reverse, as the charge carrier is attracted to the magnetic field it is thus following the magnetic.
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Charges do not follow magnetic fields. Nor are charges attracted to magnetic fields. Moving charges react to magnetic fields with a force (and motion unless constrained) which is perpendicular to both the field vector and velocity of the charge. See Lorentz.

bi

ps. Your flying saucers will have a better chance of liftoff if you actually understand magnetics.

[bistander]

When logic fails, name calling is your method

...Good lord~ Ya know there's a point where being a jackass crosses the line and you've just crossed that line with me in your reply. You're not a scientist and you don't know how to do science. We want to question the existing paradigm here, not uphold the burning of oil until we all go extinct. You're not helping in this regard.

How does a true understanding of magnetism uphold the burning of oil?

Great if you can discover something new. But how do you know what's new when you are blind to what is old?

Must be a conspiracy.

bi