Open discussion for projects on this forum.

[bistander]

Not a fb type of guy

Hi Les,

Thanks for posting that stuff as I also refuse to subject myself to fb. I read over much of the long doc. link and the diagrams. Obvious question is what's stopping Mr. Hay or one of his fans from building the device and demonstrating free energy production? Also, maybe citfta figure this out. He seems to rely heavily on the equation F = m * v^2. Or Force equals Mass times Velocity squared. Which is incorrect.

Regards,

bi

[citfta]

Big Thanks!

Hi Les,

Thank you very much for posting that additional information here. I will take time later today to study the .doc files. The pictures are a big help in understanding what he is doing. The first link with the video explains a lot also. The Facebook links don't work unless you are logged in but they will most certainly help those that use Facebook.

One of the members here (Matt Jones) had a device similar to that which he called the jumper if I remember correctly. As far as I know he did not connect it to any kind of generator as it moved with so much force it kept tearing itself loose from it's mounting surface.

Take care,
Carroll

[Les Banki]

All,

The starter of this thread, Carroll (citfta) has suggested that I post here since he is NOT on Facebook so he can't check the source of the info I am about to present.

The information I wish to share with those who might be interested is about the use of GRAVITY to generate electricity.

Specifically, the work of Kevin Hay.a hell of a lot simpler and smaller??

Yes, I have exchanged a few emails with Kevin and I paste a copy of his first reply here which will hopefully give you some idea of the magnitude and importance of his work.
I also check his Facebook page (I use my wife's account!) almost daily as he is publishing a hell of a lot of info of all kinds!

Hello Les,

Yes, our first model was sustained at over 400 COP.
It took less than 0.1 amp at 12 volt to sustain 1.9636 HP.

I am currently working in medical agricultural production areas however I am also engineering some of my more modern methods with a Japanese company that I am partnering with.
My engineering partner works in large scale rice agriculture and drone technology so this will allow me to incorporate my work into several areas, and allow me to provide these dynamos for people working in agriculture before any other field becomes involved.

All electricity is gravitational inertia based torsion induced compression.
All of it.

This is braking planetary inertia and this is not complicated.

I have over 170 designs of workable systems just in the mechanical area alone. My basic show and share designs are based on children's ability to understand this, apply this and use it effectively.

My work is in plasma initiation.
I have several dozen easier methods to generate high voltage current Les.
If you want electricity, do what Tesla did. Tap the planet.

My systems are being applied to electro-gravitational propulsion dynamics, as some of the complex algorithms for attaining inductive inversion of gravitation are not so complicated.

If you can understand that it is gravity that moves water, then you can understand that it is also gravity that is being compressed allowing for this reaction, called phase conjugation, to induce an electrostatic inversion of gravitation.
Restricting this induces electricity.
Not restricting this allows for inductive electro-gravitational potential.

I have simple leveraged systems that can make whatever electricity you want....just put the dynamo under it and line up the crank, and place whatever mass inversion is necessary onto the oscillator.
Any size dynamo, mega watt and larger can be run...so please understand that this is what Tesla did...in reverse.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jbkuvynok8evu9l/IMGA0092.MP4?dl=0

Here is my first attempt:

https://www.facebook.com/TheRevLtD/videos/t.100007078157586/1578995925679664/?type=2&video_source=user_video_tab

Veljko Milkovic shows how to do this using pendulums,

https://www.facebook.com/pg/milkovicv/about/?ref=page_internal

I could only attach 6 files from my Kevin Hay folder which currently holds 34 files.
The best thing you can do of coarse is to download everything you can directly from his Facebook page.
However, it is a start.
Get onto it!

Cheers,
Les Banki

[Ufopolitics]

Hi Ufo,

I think Turion was being sarcastic.

Thanks Bistander,

I hope He was being sarcastic and not for real, thanks, that was a relief!!

I think he believes he has developed the free energy device and is frustrated and can't understand why the energy users of the world have not beaten a path to his door. I, and others, have tried to explain there is no proof or valid demonstration or explanation of any benefit or value to his system or device.

Regards,

bi

I believe this is pretty similar to Kids and Toys...when it comes to Free Energy researchers-developers and their "toys"...

Some kids like Planes...other automobiles...or trains..or boats...submarines, etc,etc...but, whatever they like, it is very hard to find that one kid have interests for all kind of toys...

In my case, batteries are not my favorite toy...to me they are just components to any system, but do not consider them as the "center" of a Free Energy Device, however, I know I could be dead wrong in that conclusion...but, getting back to "toys"... I never liked Electro-Chemistry at all...

I love the complexity of Electro-Magnetic Machines...wherever they get attached to...those are my favorite toys...well you know that...


Thanks and Regards



Ufopolitics

[bistander]

Here to avoid posting in BM thread

Sorry to read the above Turion...You are one of the best researchers and builders that I have seen so far around here (besides me, of course..., just kidding!!)...so, it is sad to see you are disappointed at your development.

What we all have to realize is that this is a long and very rough path we are following...it is FULL of obstacles, disappointments and frustrations...but, think about the reward if we succeed?...see the HUGE CHANGE We will be spreading out to mankind!!

But you are right about being slave of this work without making a REAL living...many things get abandoned on this road...many, which mainly surround our lives.

But, you do not have to be that radical...take a brake, play some Golf...get some sun...then get back here...


Regards


Ufopolitics

Hi Ufo,

I think Turion was being sarcastic. I think he believes he has developed the free energy device and is frustrated and can't understand why the energy users of the world have not beaten a path to his door. I, and others, have tried to explain there is no proof or valid demonstration or explanation of any benefit or value to his system or device.

Regards,

bi

[Allen Burgess]

Scope shot.

Allen I see as the new battery's ability to ring better than a spent
battery. The encrustation of oxidation impairing the crystals in the emulsion.
The complex chemical state can described using quantitative properties
combination of internal resistance and reactance where internal resistance + reactance, or (L+ C), equals impedance. John B demonstrated growing crystals
next to a magnet had an effect of purifying the crystal. He seemed
interested in this. I have heard of putting liquid batteries on paint shaker.
Of course we also discussed the Cardone acoustic study above.
This is one the synchronism lately that was shared between threads.
Another was the argon gas and neutrinos.

With the bifilar the quantitative SI units henry property has been difficult for
experimentors so backing up to the days of Coulomb because of the K would allow more to follow in simple bridge design however with chaos it takes
precision of Daniel Kepplner with hydrogen maser also not garden variety.
I do see that a standard bifilar reactance at 1 Mhz being a conservative
model as a starting point when I modified a Boonton meter years ago.

@Mikrovolt,

Can you upload a scope shot?

[mikrovolt]

Allen I see as the new battery's ability to ring better than a spent
battery. The encrustation of oxidation impairing the crystals in the emulsion.
The complex chemical state can described using quantitative properties
combination of internal resistance and reactance where internal resistance + reactance, or (L+ C), equals impedance. John B demonstrated growing crystals
next to a magnet had an effect of purifying the crystal. He seemed
interested in this. I have heard of putting liquid batteries on paint shaker.
Of course we also discussed the Cardone acoustic study above.
This is one the synchronism lately that was shared between threads.
Another was the argon gas and neutrinos.

With the bifilar the quantitative SI units henry property has been difficult for
experimentors so backing up to the days of Coulomb because of the K would allow more to follow in simple bridge design however with chaos it takes
precision of Daniel Kepplner with hydrogen maser also not garden variety.
I do see that a standard bifilar reactance at 1 Mhz being a conservative
model as a starting point when I modified a Boonton meter years ago.

[Allen Burgess]

Dead AA battery inductance.

I just tested a dead 1.5 volt AA battery for inductance, while fooling around, and it measured a whopping .35 Henrys! This battery appears to have the potential to turn into a very powerful magnet. I need more time to think about this. I wonder how a person would go about that? I'm going to try and sleep it in a stack of powerful permanent magnets and see what happens.

[bistander]

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Member bistander quoted himself in comment #961 above on this thread stating that: "Henrys are not a measure of magnetic force". That's true, I have no problem with agreeing with that. I never stated that was untrue.

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@seaad,

I like the way you equated Henrys of inductance with (magnetic force). This comparison has caused controversy in the past.


"Henrys (magnetic force) as big as possible".

Appeared that way.

And I quoted you in my post #961 and that quote from you happened to contain a previous quote from bistander. Hardly was I quoting myself.

You can't keep your story straight for more than a few minutes, can you?

[Allen Burgess]

Quadfilar magnet force and negative inductance.

Here's a practical example of how negative inductance can measure magnet force in an adjacent coil:

The Quadfilar has two series bifilar coils wrapped together. We can measure the inductance in the first coil, then input current into the second; then we can remeasure the inductance in the first bifilar and the difference will equal the amount of field force in the second.

We could also measure the inductance in the second coil then measure the current and calculate the magnet force that way. Measuring amperage can get tricky depending on the amount of current, and rather then risk blowing the amp meter fuse, we can more safely measure the inductance difference in the adjacent coil, and accurately calculate the magnet force that way.

We can calculate the amperage in the second coil, knowing the inductance, with the negative inductance factor from the first as well. These factors should become as easy to handle with a little practice as Ohms law: I=V/R.

The negative inductance measurements will work equally well in the two wire bifilar also.

[Allen Burgess]

Henrys and magnetic force

@Mikrovolt,

I'm doing tests right now on the effect of permanent magnet force on coil inductance. I'm testing a single wire coil on a ferrite core.

Member bistander quoted himself in comment #961 above on this thread stating that: "Henrys are not a measure of magnetic force". That's true, I have no problem with agreeing with that. I never stated that was untrue.

My point all along has been that the negative or inverse Henry is a measure of magnetic force, not the Henry!

Let's say for the sake of argument that I measure an inductance of 200 milli Henrys in a ferrite core, single wire coil, then attach a few ceramic block magnets to each end of the coil and core and remeasure the inductance at 100 milli Henrys.

Now we have minus (-) 100 milli Henrys. The negative 100 milli Henrys is in direct proportion to the strength of the permanent magnet force applied to the coil. What is it that you two fail to understand about this inverse proportion?

The example you copied and pasted of the LCR circuit above would require two formulas to factor the negative mH into electrical units; Henry's law of induction and our Lorentz force law. The capacitor charge in farads has a direct electrical equivalent and is simpler to deal with, or we could use the other factor.

[Allen Burgess]

Agilent 2009 Impedance measurment handbook on why the meter shows a negative value.
When that happens you switch to capacitance. This is the procedure it states:

The measured inductance (Lm) rapidly increases as the frequency approaches the SRF because of the effect
of resonance. The maximum Lm value becomes greater as the device has a higher Q factor.
At frequencies above the SRF, a negative inductance value is displayed
because the Lm value is calculated from a capacitive reactance vector, which is opposite to inductive vector.

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United States Patent Number 512,340
COIL FOR ELECTROMAGNETS
Nikola Tesla, Inventor

""Figure 1 is a standard pancake coil (many Tesla coil builders are familiar with this style). Figure 2 is a bifilar coil, the crux of the patent is where Tesla winds a dual wire and then connects the ends in a series (an interesting experiment for coil builders).
Tesla explains that a standard coil of 1000 turns with a potential of 100 volts across it will have a difference of .1 volt between turns. A similar bifilar coil will have a potential of 50 volts between turns. In that the stored energy is a function of the square of the voltages, the energy in the bifilar will be 502/.12 = 2500/.01 = 250,000 times greater than the standard coil""

@Mikrovolt,

The schematic you're showing is of an LCR resonant circuit and the recommended procedure for measurement with an inductance-capacitance meter. Please explain what bearing this has on the reduction of coil inductance from the spacing of a permanent magnet?

When the inductance meter registers a negative inductance value, it shows that the coil has reached the level
of saturation, and is building a magnetic field at frequencies above the coil's self resonating frequency. The procedure then calls for switching the meter to capacitance to continue to measure the charge in the capacitor in farads.

This procedure substantiates my claim.

[mikrovolt]

Agilent 2009 Impedance measurment handbook on why the meter shows a negative value.
When that happens you switch to capacitance. This is the procedure it states:

The measured inductance (Lm) rapidly increases as the frequency approaches the SRF because of the effect
of resonance. The maximum Lm value becomes greater as the device has a higher Q factor.
At frequencies above the SRF, a negative inductance value is displayed
because the Lm value is calculated from a capacitive reactance vector, which is opposite to inductive vector.





United States Patent Number 512,340
COIL FOR ELECTROMAGNETS
Nikola Tesla, Inventor

""Figure 1 is a standard pancake coil (many Tesla coil builders are familiar with this style). Figure 2 is a bifilar coil, the crux of the patent is where Tesla winds a dual wire and then connects the ends in a series (an interesting experiment for coil builders).
Tesla explains that a standard coil of 1000 turns with a potential of 100 volts across it will have a difference of .1 volt between turns. A similar bifilar coil will have a potential of 50 volts between turns. In that the stored energy is a function of the square of the voltages, the energy in the bifilar will be 502/.12 = 2500/.01 = 250,000 times greater than the standard coil""

[Allen Burgess]

Hall effect sensor.

@bistander,

Tell a differential Hall effect sensor to detect Webers alone and not magnet polarity because you feel they shouldn't
show any difference.

[bistander]

@bistander,

webers shmaybers. You're a nitwit.

Q.E.D.

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